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[CoffeeJanitor]

"How are Dems going to be able to do to counter Trump's anti-trade policies when they will probably lead to a meltdown of the international order when Trump will be willing to take credit for every random company that decides to make things in America."

>_>

That's not what I said. Assuming the world economy will collapse isn't very relevant, as the context of the question I posed was that companies chose to invest in the US over the next few years, possibly influenced by new trade policies.

That is a real possibility, like it or not.

 

[BoboBrazil]

McCain supporting Rex Tillerson is disgusting. Republicans have no spine.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Trump couldn't let this old man announce?

I would love nothing more than for this man to live another four years and be brought back as the announcer for the inauguration of the next president. A Democrat, obviously.

 

[TestOfTide]

I wonder what Dems are going to counter Trump's pro-america trade/economic policies with in 4 years. Or even 2.

It's going to be hard to argue that companies aren't moving jobs back here/he failed to do what he said/etc. if things keep moving the way they're moving with the auto/electronics manufacturers signalling that they'll be investing in the US, specifically in a lot of rust belt areas. Just from staying up to date on how companies are investing and positioning themselves, there seems to be a changing tide.

I guess they could always just not give Trump any credit. But that's not going to win anyone over.

Strange place to be in.

I made a post specifically to address this a few pages ago.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I expect a heavily protectionist United States to cause the collapse of the world economy and world order.

Mexico should definitely end its drug war though.

I mean, it makes perfect sense for them to end it. It's not remotely worth it and the US has gone from being a strong ally to a straight up enemy.

But a lot more people in the Rust Belt are going to be shooting up heroin if Mexico ends the drug war.

 

[hawk2025]

That companies will choose to to invest in the US when there are additional barriers isn't news -- the question is whether or not the net impact is positive.

The problem is that Donald people are great at selling the first, and the second is significantly harder (but correct).

I have little hope on this point, tbh. Even if inflation comes, I don't know if voters will connect the dots.



The whole point of populism is that it looks good on the surface until it crushes you. New manufacturing in the US will prop up Trump, and we have to deal with that.

 

[NeoXChaos]

I need a new avatar:

thx

 

[CygnusXS]

Ideology about the moral economy will likely always outweigh actual economic measures with the majority of voters.

 

[Teggy]

Can someone explain "antifa" to me? This is a word that nazis and white supremacists use as a slur against their opponents. This is short for "anti-fascist". So the nazis think fascism is cool? I mean, nazis are fascists, but the word fascism carries a lot more negative weight than it did in the 1940s.

 

[hawk2025]

Ideology about the moral economy will likely always outweigh actual economic measures with the majority of voters.

Will it, though?

Republicans became protectionists in the span of a YEAR. IMO it's not about ideology or measures for conservatives. It's that as much as they pretend to, they simply don't care about the economy.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

From the drug war alone, Mexico's life expectancy over the last decade has actually decreased. It's impossible levels of violence and keeping Mexico as an ally is very important to keeping the drugs out if our own country continues to be so stupid about drugs.

Will it, though?

Republicans became protectionists in the span of a YEAR. IMO it's not about ideology or measures for conservatives. It's that as much as they pretend to, they simply don't care about the economy.

People care a lot about the economy.

No one cares about trade because it's abstract. It's an issue that 2% of the population has any feelings on and on subjects where people don't care, they just assume the position of their leader.

Can someone explain "antifa" to me? This is a word that nazis and white supremacists use as a slur against their opponents. This is short for "anti-fascist". So the nazis think fascism is cool? I mean, nazis are fascists, but the word fascism carries a lot more negative weight than it did in the 1940s.

Antifa is a group of 20 year old ish kids who set things on fire but never vote and they are annoying as fuck.

I mean, animal rights is good too, but Direct Action Everywhere (a group that kept interrupting Hillary's rallies to rush her on stage with no apparent demands) is a fucking terrible organization.

There are bad organizations with good causes and Antifa is an organization.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Yep. Here's the closest details I could find

You have to be some kind of special ass to deny an 89 year old the ability to do the job he's done for 60 years, especially since this is probably his last chance to do so...

 

[CygnusXS]

Will it, though?

Republicans became protectionists in the span of a YEAR. IMO it's not about ideology or measures for conservatives. It's that as much as they pretend to, they simply don't care about the economy.

Well, first, that's a different question. I'm only making a claim as to what people care about when caring about the economy. Whether or not they care about the economy is a different issue.

Second, I would claim that Trump voters, i.e. rank and file Republicans, have always premised the moral economy as one where the global economy operates to benefit white Americans first. That has been true for the entire history of the party. What has changed is the feeling among that group that the economy was operating in a moral manner. Globalisation became seen as immoral to them, and had to be rejected.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

The Trump administration is spending a fuckton of political capital trying to pressure Republican Senators into accepting Trump's obviously incompetent nominees and I do not understand this tactic at all.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...485133568827&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.e6242d95aa85

Trump's nominees being bad and being confirmed is bad for... Trump.

If Rex Tillerson sucks at his job and starts a conflict with China that ends in total humiliation for the United States... That's a bad look for Donald Trump since Trump forced the appointment.

Trump can't look more than five seconds into the future. Tillerson has no clue of anything and will cause Trump a huge amount of humiliation and protest in the future. This is fucking stupid.

 

[TheWasTheJoke]

Libertarian socialist is actually a thing that works pretty well. Simple welfare models such as NIT or UBI in order to both simplify bureaucracy and provide a support net, easing of restrictions on social issues, so weed, euthanasia and unfortunately, guns.

Despite that last caveat I'm pretty sure many prominent left-wingers identify as libertarian/socialist, including Chomsky if I recall correctly

The difficulty is obviously stringing the two together, since in many ways the two current groups seem to be the antithesis of each other. In particular, libertarians seem to be attracted by the 'anti-pc' and 'socially Darwinistic' nature of their creed, two notions which are pretty central to Democrats.

Nevertheless Bernie could do it, so theres always hope

edit: wow this thread moves fast

 

[whyamihere]

Medicaid to a block grant is in Trump's plan. I hate these people.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/22/us/politics/donald-trump-health-plan-medicaid.html?referer=

 

[The Technomancer]

Medicaid to a block grant is in Trump's plan. I hate these people.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/22/us/politics/donald-trump-health-plan-medicaid.html?referer=

jfc

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Medicaid to a block grant is in Trump's plan. I hate these people.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/22/us/politics/donald-trump-health-plan-medicaid.html?referer=

Then it needs 60 votes and will never pass.

 

[sphagnum]

Can someone explain "antifa" to me? This is a word that nazis and white supremacists use as a slur against their opponents. This is short for "anti-fascist". So the nazis think fascism is cool? I mean, nazis are fascists, but the word fascism carries a lot more negative weight than it did in the 1940s.

Antifa is a term used for leftists (usually anarchists) who confront fascists directly, battling them in he street, torching their offices, etc. They usually end up being the violent ones in all black at protests.

And yes, Nazis are fine with the word fascism. Why would they be afraid of negative rhetoric?

 

[Teggy]

Antifa is a term used for leftists (usually anarchists) who confront fascists directly, battling them in he street, torching their offices, etc. They usually end up being the violent ones in all black at protests.

And yes, Nazis are fine with the word fascism. Why would they be afraid of negative rhetoric?

Ah thanks.

The number of conservatives getting their fainting couches out on twitter because women at the march said "pussy" is triggering me.

 

[metalslimer]

A replacement plan has literally no chance at passing, but i dont know if republicans even care

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

A replacement plan has literally no chance at passing, but i dont know if republicans even care

If they cared we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

 

[Dominican Power]

https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/822930660675489792

eh

 

[RustyNails]

https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/822930660675489792

eh

I dont think the BDS movement is incredibly productive, but that non answer by Perez is just dumb. Just say you condemn any violation of human rights. Democratic party really needs to divorce itself from the Netanyahu right wingery of Israel.

 

[TestOfTide]

I have a feeling that the way that Emoluments Clause lawsuit gets headway is by having the owners of Four Seasons involved:

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/31...-at-four-seasons-to-switch-to-trumps-dc-hotel

There is enough here for probable cause and a standing.

 

[Retromelon]

if the economy is bad in 2020, the theme of the campaign against him must be, America is losing under Trump so much, and its tired of losing. Uses his populism against him, and draws a nice contrast between where the country was when it was handed to him, and after he got his papillae resembling fingers on it.

 

[DrForester]

Wait for it...

 

[TestOfTide]

Wait for it...

I love how in the gif you can even see that the guy switched which hand he was holding the staff with just so he wouldn't have to shake Trump's hand.

 

[TheWasTheJoke]

Wait for it...

I mean... can you make this shit up?

Ahh it was mutual

 

[djplaeskool]

Medicaid to a block grant is in Trump's plan. I hate these people.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/22/us/politics/donald-trump-health-plan-medicaid.html?referer=

Hasn't this been proposed for like...decades?
I want to say this has been one of Newt's babies for a long time.

 

[thehypocrite]

That's not what I said. Assuming the world economy will collapse isn't very relevant, as the context of the question I posed was that companies chose to invest in the US over the next few years, possibly influenced by new trade policies.

That is a real possibility, like it or not.

The real question is if that's a net positive.

 

[royalan]

The FBI has been run by members of various parties for decades. Comey wasn't popular with republicans for quite some time.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/01/politics/justice-deputy-resisted-parts-of-spy-program.html

but I guess Monday morning QBing is more fun right.

Comey's popularity with Republicans has shit to do with anything.

Does a whole lot to explain his vendetta with Clinton, though.

 

[Teggy]

The cocaine thing was dumb, but this here is goooooood

Howard DeanVerified account
‏@GovHowardDean

Howard Dean Retweeted Tom Cotton
Should we follow Sen Cottons example and obstruct until he dies like he did to Cassandra Butts?

and this is real? Why aren't people freaking out?

Josh RoginVerified account
‏@joshrogin


.@KellyannePolls: "It's really time for [Trump] to put in his own security and intelligence community." What? @ThisWeekABC

 

[RustyNails]

The cocaine thing was dumb, but this here is goooooood



and this is real? Why aren't people freaking out?

Alternative intel.

 

[JP_]

With sound

Is comey like 7 ft tall? He made trump look like a kid, but trump is 6'3

 

[Teggy]

So we are kind of getting a Trump vs. John Lewis Super Bowl. I wonder if it will be made a story.

 

[djplaeskool]

So we are kind of getting a Trump vs. John Lewis Super Bowl. I wonder if it will be made a story.

Since Atlanta is CNN HQ, I expect them to put some kind of fluff piece together.

 

[Tall4Life]

So we are kind of getting a Trump vs. John Lewis Super Bowl. I wonder if it will be made a story.

All of New England voted for Hillary. Can't say that for Georgia.

 

[Dan]

and this is real? Why aren't people freaking out?

Betsy DeVos will enlist her brother, Erik Prince, to help 'educate' Americans by force. Hell, he's already allegedly unofficially advising Trump on intelligence and defense issues.

 

[RastaMentality]

if wall street melts down under the administration, the kellyanne and sean spicer messaging is gonna be off the charts insanity.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Libertarian socialist is actually a thing that works pretty well. Simple welfare models such as NIT or UBI in order to both simplify bureaucracy and provide a support net, easing of restrictions on social issues, so weed, euthanasia and unfortunately, guns.

Any tool like UBI that reallocates wealth to the disadvantaged can't be libertarian in the sense of the word we've used it since the '40s. You're still enacting liberal values just in a theoretically more efficient, and less obtrusive, way.

 

[Teggy]

All of New England voted for Hillary. Can't say that for Georgia.

It's more than just a local story. Lots of the US hate the Patriots already. Hell, anyone who voted for Trump should hate the Patriots because they are (allegedly) the rich guys who rigged the system against the rest of the league. But Trump, Brady and Belichick are buddies. The poor Trumpkins must be having a crisis right now.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Was there a master plan with Trump ranting and raving about crowd sizes? (Spoilers: No).

Mr. Trump grew increasingly angry on Inauguration Day after reading a series of Twitter messages pointing out that the size of his inaugural crowd did not rival that of Mr. Obama's in 2009. But he spent his Friday night in a whirlwind of celebration and affirmation. When he awoke on Saturday morning, after his first night in the executive mansion, the glow was gone, several people close to him said, and the new president was filled anew with a sense of injury.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/22/...prod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share

Masterful.

Okay, so there can be only one Highlander so this brings us to the question.

Which one of these people is alive at the end of 2020? Kim Jong-un, Duterte, Trump.

There can be only one.

 

[Valhelm]

I love the sentiment of BDS, but is there any evidence that sanction efforts by private citizens are effective?

If so, I really hope BDS efforts are extended to Turkey and the Gulf states.

 

[aspiegamer]

It's more than just a local story. Lots of the US hate the Patriots already. Hell, anyone who voted for Trump should hate the Patriots because they are (allegedly) the rich guys who rigged the system against the rest of the league. But Trump, Brady and Belichick are buddies. The poor Trumpkins must be having a crisis right now.

The Super Bowl might as well be USA vs USSR politically right now as far as my sad sad mind is concerned. No single Patriot fan is going to be turned away by Trump. If they actually cared about the cheating, elitist bullshit surrounding the entire team they've had ample time over the years to get sick of it. The Trump-Brady thing was known months and months before the season started, but the NFL is a cause higher than politics for those most deeply invested. Tom Brady could be the devil incarnate and it wouldn't matter as long as he won them the super bowl. A black, trans, mentally disabled immigrant from Syria, even! Wouldn't matter. Selective ideological ignorance is a hell of a drug.

Do please mock any and all Patriots fans you know, though!

 

[mo60]

Was there a master plan with Trump ranting and raving about crowd sizes? (Spoilers: No).



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/22/...prod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share

Masterful.

Okay, so there can be only one Highlander so this brings us to the question.

Which one of these people is alive at the end of 2020? Kim Jong-un, Duterte, Trump.

There can be only one.

The former two will still be running their countries by the end of 2020. Trump is questionable at this point.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

If I slip down the stairs and somehow end up doing a triple back flip to land back on the ground safely, it doesn't mean I am a world class gymnast. Trump was not a master at anything, he was a beneficiary of circumstance. Every time he was in trouble in the polls, some jihadist would do something in the world and it gave him a reset. He benefited from one of the most fractured primaries ever and won with just enough of the Republican party that liked him. He benefited from a 24/7 media cycle that couldn't get enough of a the crazy old man on the street corner shouting his crazy talk. He benefited from an unprecedented type of SuperPAC in the form of WL that hacked his opponent and put all their dirty laundry out there. Finally, he had the incredible fortune of running against an opponent under federal investigation.

It's that simple, he does some things right but he does a lot of things wrong and was lucky enough not to have it matter in the end. At some point this deep analysis crap has to end.

 

[Zukkoyaki]

Was there a master plan with Trump ranting and raving about crowd sizes? (Spoilers: No).



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/22/...prod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share

Masterful.

Okay, so there can be only one Highlander so this brings us to the question.

Which one of these people is alive at the end of 2020? Kim Jong-un, Duterte, Trump.

There can be only one.

If it were an actual fight to the death it would have to be Duterte. Dude seems like he'd bite your face off he had to.

 

[royalan]

Donald Trump is not the strategist. He's a branding-obsessed idiot. Unfortunately, that obsession with his brand, and his age, make him naturally gifted at playing the media. That is one area where Trump obviously knows exactly what he's doing. He knows how to turn a story, and he always has.

For everything else, Bannon is the strategist.

 

[Valhelm]

For everything else, Bannon is the strategist.

god help us