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[VendettaRed07]

It doesn't repeal Obamacare if they work with dems would be my guess.

They want it gone.

It doesn't do that though. That's why Rand is a hard no it seems like he is the only one saying there's no point unless we actually repeal it

 

[Hubbl3]

What the fuck? Did anyone just see Chris Stewart on MSNBC? He's taking a much softer stance than I've ever seen from the hard right dummies. "We want to just make healthcare more affordable, Obamacare had some success, we just want to improve it" was basically the gist of it.

I wouldn't waste any amount of your time trying to read into that.

 

[B-Dubs]

I'm more concerned about a short term fix to shore up the insurance markets. A bailout basically. Obamacare IS in a death spiral in some states. That has to be looked at. I know they want full repeal but this is the law we've got right now and it needs shoring up. Sigh. It's just frustrating to see this shit play out.

It's in a death spiral in those states because of their governors and legislatures. It's literally by design, they wanted it to happen. The GOP isn't interested in fixing it up, they want to tear it down.

 

[Incognito]

whats the reconciliation drop dead date? IIRC, they need to push health care out (dead or alive) before a certain date or that's it due to reconciliation rules.

1st was health care, then taxes. like, i'm pretty sure rewriting it and not having anything until october is not possible per reconciliation rules (slim chance of it happening irrespective of reconciliation anyway)

 

[Stinkles]

I'm more concerned about a short term fix to shore up the insurance markets. A bailout basically. Obamacare IS in a death spiral in some states. That has to be looked at. I know they want full repeal but this is the law we've got right now and it needs shoring up. Sigh. It's just frustrating to see this shit play out.

If I cut your Achilles tendons and shoved you out of a moving aircraft, you'd be in a death spiral too. This result was deliberately created by republicans and lobbyists and it's astonishing how infrequently the "liberal" media points this out.

 

[benicillin]

Now I'm interested to see how much political damage can be done to Trump and the GOP in the meantime. All the strange happenings going on point towards something big on the horizon, but I know better than to get my hopes up.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

The possible nos must have been dire to cancel the vote this early. He could have dragged this on for a few more days and tried to eek out 50. Kind of makes me wonder if this quietly dies on McConnell's desk if it becomes apparent that there's just no solution that's workable without losing more than 2 votes.

 

[benicillin]

The possible nos must have been dire to cancel the vote this early. He could have dragged this on for a few more days and tried to eek out 50. Kind of makes me wonder if this quietly dies on McConnell's desk if it becomes apparent that there's just no solution that's workable without losing more than 2 votes.

Just wait until ART OF THE DEAL gets finished with them this afternoon.

 

[studyguy]

Spicer is 20m late already come on spicey.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Representatives have to win gerrymandered districts. Senators win whole states, forcing them to be more moderate by structure of their chamber. Freedom Caucus Frank won't lose his seat by passing this bill, but Republican senator Dean Heller, whose state is at least purple if not light blue, will. Even if moderates in the House endanger themselves, they have more cover because of (1) safety in numbers and (2) a certain degree of gerrymandering.

That doesn't apply to Don Young versus Lisa Murkowski though as Young represents an at-large district and still had no problem voting for the bill.

Young is also a fucking scum of the earth asshole whereas Murkowski seems to care somewhat about her state, so there's that.

 

[Blader]

When is the Senate supposed to vote on lifting the debt ceiling? August?

 

[Barzul]

It's in a death spiral in those states because of their governors and legislatures. It's literally by design, they wanted it to happen. The GOP isn't interested in fixing it up, they want to tear it down.

If I cut your Achilles tendons and shoved you out of a moving aircraft, you'd be in a death spiral too. This result was deliberately created by republicans and lobbyists and it's astonishing how infrequently the "liberal" media points this out.

True. Good points. Well we'll see if more states decide to expand Medicaid.

 

[fredrancour]

It doesn't repeal Obamacare if they work with dems would be my guess.

They want it gone.

A bipartisan bill would have to be a health care bill instead of a tax cut bill. Of course they want to avoid that. Nothing the republican party hates more than the government doing its job

 

[balladofwindfishes]

When is the Senate supposed to vote on lifting the debt ceiling? August?

They're off the entire August, so I think it's September.

 

[Teggy]

They have been teasing this briefing as must see tv so I expect they plan on giving CNN a hard time.

 

[Autodidact]

That doesn't apply to Don Young versus Lisa Murkowski though as Young represents an at-large district and still had no problem voting for the bill.

Young is also a fucking scum of the earth asshole whereas Murkowski seems to care somewhat about her state, so there's that.

True, but Don Young has always been a piece of shit and probably assumes that incumbency advantage will save him. He hasn't been wrong so far, sadly.

 

[tedrotheredro]

I just don't know if I have the mental fortitude to listen to Rick Perry for 30 minutes. And then I remember this guy controls the nukes.

 

[Teggy]

Oh look Trump created fake news and put it on the walls of his golf clubs

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...df96de-5850-11e7-ba90-f5875b7d1876_story.html

 

[Blader]

They're off the entire August, so I think it's September.

But didn't Mnuchin say they needed a vote by August, and that they were going to run into the ceiling earlier than expected?

 

[Ludovico]

popcorn time

 

[tedrotheredro]

Shoulder rub was creepy af

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Collins is (apparently) a very hard no and won't consider a yes unless an entirely new bill is drafted

This is starting off on a good foot!

 

[Tamanon]

OK, weird time to rollout "energy dominance". I don't get this White House.

Collins did sound like a pretty hard no. Don't think we're going to get some paltry additional funding to push her over the edge like those House numnuts.

 

[RustyNails]

They have been teasing this briefing as must see tv so I expect they plan on giving CNN a hard time.

They should. CNN is a fucking embarassment for running that story. How can you miss something like this when the administration has you under a microscope?

 

[Ludovico]

I'm PRAYING this guy loses his place and re-reads an entire paragraph of this swill.

 

[kirblar]

Via @JStein_Vox

Sanders surprises me by calling for public option, reducing Medicare eligibility age from 65 to 55. Normally just talks about single-payer

.@BernieSanders at Planned P. rally: "We have won a temporary -- let me underline, TEMPORARY -- victory." Job is to tell whole US about bill

"The momentum is with us. 60% of Americans think federal government should accept responsibility of providing health care to all Americans"

I wonder if this was what Warren's statement was about- they may be going in on the Public Option as a messaging strategy? That's...quite the departure for Sanders.

 

[Autodidact]

Maybe the FBI investigation has humbled him a bit.

 

[B-Dubs]

I wonder if this was what Warren's statement was about- they may be going in on the Public Option as a messaging strategy? That's...quite the departure for Sanders.

Someone probably pointed out that the whole point of the public option is to use it to eventually shift into a single payer system.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Representatives have to win gerrymandered districts. Senators win whole states, forcing them to be more moderate by structure of their chamber. Freedom Caucus Frank won't lose his seat by passing this bill, but Republican senator Dean Heller, whose state is at least purple if not light blue, will. Even if moderates in the House endanger themselves, they have more cover because of (1) safety in numbers and (2) a certain degree of gerrymandering.

Plenty of very vulnerable moderate House Republicans like Yoder voted for the bill though. Don Young's district is just AK-AL which is the same as Murkowski's senate district. They're also up for reelection much sooner than most of the moderate senators. I'd argue Portman is a lot less vulnerable than Steve Chabot but the latter already voted for the bill, why will Portman hold strong?

 

[TestOfTide]

I wonder if this was what Warren's statement was about- they may be going in on the Public Option as a messaging strategy? That's...quite the departure for Sanders.

It sounds like Sanders and Democrats have agreed that their countermessage is going to be:

- cheaper prescription drugs
- lower the age for Medicare to 55
- add a public option

Frankly I think that works really well with the right messaging. Dems need to make sure they are talking about their own alternatives rather than just saying "keep the ACA as is".



Also, just want to say that I CALLED IT that this Senate bill is dead. There are too many Senators who are not willing to sign onto McConnell's suicide pact.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Note bullet point 4

I wonder if it really started to fall apart when they added the mandate yesterday.

This entire document is likely a good reason a bunch of far right senators were against it. It also shows how awkward it'll be to get them on board without losing more than 2 moderates.

 

[Autodidact]

Plenty of very vulnerable moderate House Republicans like Yoder voted for the bill though. Don Young's district is just AK-AL which is the same as Murkowski's senate district. They're also up for reelection much sooner than most of the moderate senators. I'd argue Portman is a lot less vulnerable than Steve Chabot but the latter already voted for the bill, why will Portman hold strong?

In addition to what I posted earlier, don't discount the primary threat, either.

 

[kirblar]

Plenty of very vulnerable moderate House Republicans like Yoder voted for the bill though. Don Young's district is just AK-AL which is the same as Murkowski's senate district. They're also up for reelection much sooner than most of the moderate senators. I'd argue Portman is a lot less vulnerable than Steve Chabot but the latter already voted for the bill, why will Portman hold strong?

As we saw w/ the ACA, it doesn't matter if you voted for it or not, it'll drag you down all the same.

 

[TestOfTide]

Plenty of very vulnerable moderate House Republicans like Yoder voted for the bill though. Don Young's district is just AK-AL which is the same as Murkowski's senate district. They're also up for reelection much sooner than most of the moderate senators. I'd argue Portman is a lot less vulnerable than Steve Chabot but the latter already voted for the bill, why will Portman hold strong?

Yes, but the thing is that part of reason the the house bill even managed to pass is because Paul Ryan promised those vulnerable congressmen that the Senate would change it to a much better version.

Mark Sandford even explicitly said that he only voted for the house bill because he expected the Senate to fix it.

 

[Box of Kittens]

Again, my point is not that the Senate won't eventually pass something, but about the certainty with which people post, right down to a page of people trying to extract meaning from Mitch McConnell smiling.

 

[Ludovico]

this fucking piece of shit

i'm shaking

edit:
Rick Perry is responding to a question on whether he believes in human caused climate change, and he basically says that it's not asking too much to be 100% sure that this is the case. And his one example of a detractor is enough to halt progress on environmental protection.

fuck you, Perry

 

[Tamanon]

It's always weird to hear someone in Washington talk about how much more states know than them. Like, why are we listening to you then?

 

[RustyNails]

So the reconciliation window being gone means Mitch wont be able to touch it until next year, but I doubt if he would want to because of the midterms.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

So the reconciliation window being gone means Mitch wont be able to touch it until next year, but I doubt if he would want to because of the midterms.

There is no window apparently, someone just made that up and everyone ran with it.

 

[Futurevoid]

So the reconciliation window being gone means Mitch wont be able to touch it until next year, but I doubt if he would want to because of the midterms.

Reconciliation remains on the table until the new budget is put into place, I believe. I could be wrong on that but they have until September. If they don't get anything done post-recess, they'll move onto tax reform.

Once they pass the new budget, they would need to pass another budget reconciliation bill for the FY2018 budget to restart the "clock" as it were if I understand the process correctly.

 

[Zolo]

There is no window apparently, someone just made that up and everyone ran with it.

Yeah. I take it as there's a traditional window, but it can be extended as long as they want.

 

[benicillin]

There is no window apparently, someone just made that up and everyone ran with it.

So pretty much how everything in our government works then.

 

[Dominican Power]

EAD Mitch

 

[Tamanon]

I appreciate McConnell saying "The President has been very involved..." and then in a lower voice "this week".

 

[Autodidact]

Turtles who live in glass shells shouldn't throw stones.

 

[Widdle Puppy]

All the pictures of McConnell looking like a senile old man in a nursing home that has no idea what's going on go great with the headlines of the delayed failure of a healthcare bill.

 

[RustyNails]

Goddamn fake windows.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Close your eyes....Rick Perry sounds just like matthew mcconaughey

 

[Tamanon]

Close your eyes....Rick Perry sounds just like matthew mcconaughey

"alright, alright, ..... oops"

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Lol Mitch