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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house

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It's been interesting to see the cynicism about GA-06 increase over the last few days when honestly nothing has really changed at all since the jungle.

It's just weird because the momentum and polls would put this at a race where Ossoff has a slight lead going in, and yet from posts it would seem like he's trailing several points in polls and winning would be a miracle.
 
It's just weird because the momentum and polls would put this at a race where Ossoff has a slight lead going in, and yet from posts it would seem like he's trailing several points in polls and winning would be a miracle.

In complete fairness my pessimism for Corbyn actually turned out decently last week. I can understand people wanting to be careful with hope with how fucked last year was.
 
It's just weird because the momentum and polls would put this at a race where Ossoff has a slight lead going in, and yet from posts it would seem like he's trailing several points in polls and winning would be a miracle.

I think it's just how people chose to cope and not get their hopes up. Which, fine, though I think having a realistic view on the race is always better than pessimistic.
 

studyguy

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He's right! He never recused himself. Go back and read his statement. He only said that he was temporarily stepping away. He never said the word recuse. The media just all ran recusal headlines anyway and Nunes got to slink away.

He played the media and now he's mocking them.

From Paul Ryan. Speaker of the House.
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:thinking:

"Stepping the way isn't saying recusal, you can't get me to say recusal!....wait a second!"
 
WSJ report on the Healthcare vote:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-gop-plans-health-care-vote-next-week-1497905453

GOP aides and others familiar with the negotiations said they anticipate the bill’s text will be released later this week. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office is expected to release its estimate of the bill’s impact on the federal budget and insurance coverage early next week, and a vote could potentially be held next Thursday, before lawmakers scatter for a one-week recess.

“I believe we’re going to vote before the Fourth of July recess on a health-care plan,” Sen. John Barrasso of Wyoming, a member of Senate GOP leadership, said Monday on Fox News, though he noted Senate Republicans hadn’t yet reached a consensus. “Every Republican is trying to get to yes. There are some differences of opinions on specific details of this.”
 
Senate GOP Plans Health-Care Vote Next Week

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) is intent on keeping pressure on Senate Republicans to move quickly on the bill rolling back and replacing much of the 2010 health law, lawmakers and GOP aides said. The push for a quick vote could backfire, however, as some conservative and centrist Republicans have expressed concern about the emerging shape of the bill.

Mr. McConnell could pull back if he calculates that a little extra time could get him the votes needed to cross the finish line. He can lose no more than two GOP votes for a bill to pass. All Democratic senators are expected to oppose it.

Still, Mr. McConnell has reasons to try to vote quickly on the health-care bill: the pressure could force lawmakers to reach a consensus on sticking points that have divided them for weeks. And GOP leaders in both chambers want to move on to other items on their legislative agenda, including a sweeping overhaul of the tax code.

GOP aides and others familiar with the negotiations said they anticipate the bill’s text will be released later this week. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office is expected to release its estimate of the bill’s impact on the federal budget and insurance coverage early next week, and a vote could potentially be held next Thursday, before lawmakers scatter for a one-week recess.
 
I think it's just how people chose to cope and not get their hopes up. Which, fine, though I think having a realistic view on the race is always better than pessimistic.

I think 2016 is a lesson to not get overly confident when the warning signs are there for problems, but rebounding into complete and total pessimism, even when a good thing looks entirely possible to happen isn't the right way to handle it.

Rather than from "over confident" to "cautiously optimistic" people went from "over confident" to "one bad thing happened so nothing good will ever happen again"

I guess if Ossoff wins, maybe it'll brighten the mood up and bring back some confidence that the world will correct its path back to progress.
 

chadskin

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More Flynn trouble:
In the midst of the 2016 presidential campaign, then-Trump adviser Gen. Michael Flynn made an unreported trip to the Middle East to work on a joint Russian-U.S. venture in Saudi Arabia, possibly having multiple contacts with Saudi officials that he failed to disclose when seeking renewal of his security clearances, according to Democrats who are seeking detailed records of Flynn’s travels.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/flynn-failed-report-foreign-trip-broker-us-russia/story?id=48140879
 
Poll has Handle up 2, but there are some methodological problems that Archer gets into.

@Garrett_Archer
1100 respondents blend. No indication of split size. I'm not sure I would have released this on election eve.

Trafgar, R firm but they're not terrible. You'd also expect a few polls to show Handle up even if Ossoff was winning. Gonna be close!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4lhKxf9pMitSUE2X2ItLWhoYVU/view

EDIT: Ah ha, yes.

@Garrett_Archer
1100 respondents suggests very high reliance on auto dialing. I would think that population has been oversampled to death in this race.

Fair point. We'll see tomorrow!
 
Things to look for from Dem pollster Tom Bonier (though, please note, Nate Cohn thinks that even if Ossoff wins, the EV will be tighter than this).

https://medium.com/@tombonier/ga06-runoff-viewing-guide-34490167c49d

In the first round election, John Ossoff ran up large margins among early voters — 63.7% of early voters supported Ossoff. Given the GOP surge in the early vote in round 2, it's safe to assume won't reach that benchmark. Is this a problem for Ossoff? Probably not. The surge in GOP turnout was largely fueled by voters who cast a ballot on Election Day in round 1, likely waiting until the last minute to vote due to a large, unsettled field of GOP candidates. Facing no such dilemma in this round, those voters came out early.

So what are those expectations?

From our individual-level partisan models, we know that the early vote is more heavily Republican in this round of voting. By how much? 6.5%. The average modeled party score for 1st round early voters was 47.9%. In this 2nd round, the average party score dropped to 41.4%.

So what does this mean?

If Ossoff runs 6.5% behind his round 1 early vote performance (ie, wins 57.2% of the vote) he is showing no change from his round 1 performance which yielded him 48.1% of all votes cast
If Ossoff runs further ahead of the generic party model, exceeding 57.2% of the early vote, this is an early sign that things are going his way

If Ossoff runs further behind modeled partisanship, failing to reach the 57.2% benchmark among all CD6 early voters, this is a sign that he's in for a steeper uphill climb among Election Day voters

Simplified — When the early vote results are tabulated, think of 57.2% as the target for Ossoff.

Let's break that goal down by county, using the same method (normalizing Ossoff's round 1 performance by the change in modeled party turnout in round 2):

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This is the more important part because modeling EDay voters seems tougher, IMO:

In the end, including early and Election Day results, here are my rough county-level targets for where Ossoff will need to end up in order to win this race:

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Ogodei

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I think 2016 is a lesson to not get overly confident when the warning signs are there for problems, but rebounding into complete and total pessimism, even when a good thing looks entirely possible to happen isn't the right way to handle it.

Rather than from "over confident" to "cautiously optimistic" people went from "over confident" to "one bad thing happened so nothing good will ever happen again"

I guess if Ossoff wins, maybe it'll brighten the mood up and bring back some confidence that the world will correct its path back to progress.

Macron won and May faceplanted while Erdogan struggled to get his new presidential powers passed (though ultimately succeeded).

Things are going better out there, they can in here too.
 
I'm just a Macron skeptic. I don't feel giddy looking at French politics and seeing a warmonger, an idiot socialist, and a corrupt bastard all flounder the established positions of the dominant political party and an unknown quantity making a surprise sweep of the entire government. If politics were like that in the country I lived in I would not want to be involved in politics.

And May will still run roughshod over the welfare state just like Cameron did before him. All she's been weakened on is Brexit.

I'M JUST TAKING YOUR CLEARLY CORRECT STATEMENT AND TRYING TO MAKE EVERYONE FEEL SAD INSTEAD.
 
Things to look for from Dem pollster Tom Bonier (though, please note, Nate Cohn thinks that even if Ossoff wins, the EV will be tighter than this).

https://medium.com/@tombonier/ga06-runoff-viewing-guide-34490167c49d





This is the more important part because modeling EDay voters seems tougher, IMO:

Interesting, Nate Cohn thinks early vote is lot closer than Ossoff being at 57%.

This article and the EV numbers by age/race don't make me feel that good about Ossoff's chances tomorrow.
 
Yeah, I thought those early vote numbers in the Trafalgar poll were wonky

@ForecasterEnten
Trafalgar may very well be right in GA-6. (They got a lot of states right in 2016.) But their changes from last poll to this are funky.

@ForecasterEnten
Last poll they had Ossoff up 13 in early vote. Now up only 3. In non-early vote, they had Handel up 3. Now up 12. In other words...

@ForecasterEnten
They saw a bigger shift in early vote than in non-early vote. Despite the fact that most early voting was done when 1st poll was conducted.

@ForecasterEnten
What ur deal with is probably noise. Trafalgar just got a more R leaning sample this time around. Whether that's right or wrong? IDK.

Trafalgar is a decent pollster, and I love their charts, but either they were wrong their last poll on the EV or they were wrong this time on the EV. Given the EV data, I'd would say that we're looking at like a 55/45 split, but we'll see. I honestly have no idea what's going to happen.

I also think that... I do wonder if people are just not picking up their phones because they're so fucking sick of this race.
 
But why flip. Hold steady and take whatever comes to you. Then have Trump pardon you and you're all good. Why not?

If what Flynn knows is bad enough that he thinks impeachment is quantifiable possibility ...

Basically, it's all risk management at this stage in the game.
 

NeoXChaos

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Interesting, Nate Cohn thinks early vote is lot closer than Ossoff being at 57%.

This article and the EV numbers by age/race don't make me feel that good about Ossoff's chances tomorrow.

Retire "that word" and replace it with cartoon soldiering from now on. You worry about everything. I don't think Diablos was ever this bad in the history of Poligaf.

It's going to be okay. Ossoff will win.
 

pigeon

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Oh good grief, SCOTUS grants a stay on the Wisconsin redistricting order while they review

Well, yeah. It would not be too dramatic to say that everything the GOP has done over the last ten years has led up to this very moment. They began their power grab with aggressive gerrymandering to allow them to prevent the democratic institutions of America from functioning, and to defend their illicit activities they chose to fall in line behind an incompetent white supremacist so that they could violate constitutional norms to emplace their justice on the Supreme Court, with the clear expectation that he will cement their power grab, allow them to restrict the franchise from Americans who disagree with them, and legitimize their undemocratic rule.
 
Yeah, I thought those early vote numbers in the Trafalgar poll were wonky



Trafalgar is a decent pollster, and I love their charts, but either they were wrong their last poll on the EV or they were wrong this time on the EV. Given the EV data, I'd would say that we're looking at like a 55/45 split, but we'll see. I honestly have no idea what's going to happen.

I also think that... I do wonder if people are just not picking up their phones because they're so fucking sick of this race.
If the early vote was already concluded when they did their last poll, then something's up with their polling if they're showing such a drastically different result between polls.

My mentality has always been this is a 50/50 race (and I've tried not to get ahead of myself on this, as I often do), but it's still going to suck if Ossoff loses because I don't think anyone else seems to have adjusted their expectations to match that!
 
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