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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house

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kirblar

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Ogodei said:
Hmm. This could possibly work, but you're missing the 800 pound gorilla in the room (the other one, the non-orange one).

Labor market's good right now, but the critique is that the quality of jobs has decreased.

Though i dislike this because it promotes that "Skills Gap" bullshit that executives and thought-piecers like to spout because corporate America doesn't want to pay a fair wage for in-demand fields.
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On that thought, this came up in my timeline today- a hypothesis that the reason wages are no longer rising to the degree they much were has much to do with the overall drop in the raw % of the population that's actually working - https://www.economy.com/dismal/anal...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
 
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whyamihere

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Legislative slogans don't really matter because Congressional elections are divorced from Presidential ones and the idea of who controls Congress is fairly amorphous for people. People still elect their representatives -- it's not a parliamentary race, at least not yet. That's why candidate recruitment matters so much, and we go out of our way to nominate people with strong ties to the community who aren't just Generic Dem but are, hopefully, Exceptional Dem.

Just put #Democrats2018 on your banner and talk about healthcare and holding Trump accountable.
 
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kirblar

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The problem w/ the slogan is that Jobs/Skills/Wages all hit the same beat three times.

It should be two different beats and then America as the third.
 
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Hindl

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Diablos said:
Just streamline it into "Empowering America" or something along those lines. I don't know. Sounds like a temp agency or something.
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I dunno, I'm not sure midterm slogans matter anyway, but everyone criticized the Democrats for not tackling income inequality, wage stagnation, and job creation heavily enough in 2016. This slogan seems like a direct response to that criticism
 
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VendettaRed07

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Idk how they didn't think about putting "better healthcare", in their. Because you know, It's currently the most unpopular thing Republicans are doing.
 
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benicillin

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It seems like something that's been focus tested into oblivion. I get that it's important to run on jobs and the economy, but they better strike while the iron is hot on healthcare.
 
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kirblar

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benicillin said:
It seems like something that's been focus tested into oblivion. I get that it's important to run on jobs and the economy, but they better strike while the iron is hot on healthcare.
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It sounds like this didn't even make it to focus groups.

How hard is it to just hire some pros?
 
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whyamihere

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benicillin said:
It seems like something that's been focus tested into oblivion. I get that it's important to run on jobs and the economy, but they better strike while the iron is hot on healthcare.
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The Democratic House caucus is currently Very Divided on what they want for healthcare, though.
 
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thepotatoman

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Paches said:
Let's workshop this. Drop skills and add America to the end.
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Would make it a billion times better. A little cheesy and clunky still, but not as offensively bad as some of Hilary's insanely stupid slogans. Better skills does put it into offensively bad territory.

Better access to higher education is a fine policy, but "Better skills" is an absolutely terrible slogan. Most people people over the age of 30 don't want to build new skills, even if they should, and it kinda sounds soulless and blamey, like you're blaming the voter for not being skilled enough. And because it comes first, that sets the expectation for how they're doing better jobs and wages, thus sabotaging their whole message.

It's still shocking how absolutely terrible democrats are at marketing.
 
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Box of Kittens

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pigeon said:
In fairness, there don't seem to be a lot of PoliGAFfers stepping up and saying "you're an idiot, Bernie is obviously not a Russian stooge."
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This is a fair criticism. It seemed like there was decent pushback early until it turned into Primary Rehash #5381064 and people just started digging in.

But, yeah, the notion that Bernie Sanders was helping the Russians, even unwittingly, is pretty ridiculous. Russia certainly tried to drive a wedge between Sanders and Clinton supporters, but they would've done that with any primary opponent so there's no way to avoid that short of turning primaries into coronations.

Now Jill Stein is a different story entirely.
 
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TumblingHippo

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Just feels like Democrats are just falling back on "work" being the only thing that matters in this country. Especially as their base is leaning more toward socialism I'm not sure how much a "yay capitalism" message will ignite them.
 
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