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[Kid Kamikaze10]

When I hear that slogan, it screams blue dogs will be the focus. Not the base, not the left. And not the most vunerable because it takes way more than those three to help them.

Slogan needs work.

 

[Aaron Strife]

When I hear that slogan, it screams blue dogs will be the focus. Not the base, not the left. And not the most vunerable because it takes way more than those three to help them.

Slogan needs work.

Ah yes, the $15 minimum wage, the calling card of the blue dog movement.

 

[barber]

Because what I've read and seen of her suggests she is more of a foolish (i.e. any opposition to American imperialism is good, even if it's Putin) than a bad person. My suspicion is the SJC is checking on everything there are rumors about to be thorough, moreso than that there is specific evidence linking Stein to Putin.

Putin has helped economically to far left and right parties in Europe, would not be surprised if it has helped the Green party in some infrastructure way too. That would make her a complete stooge in my mind.
Edit: probably not economically cause of how that works in the USA but in infrastracture and media coverage? yeah

 

[Hindl]

"We're not Nazis"

I'm not sure that's a winning platform in 2017

 

[jtb]

Where's the recount money Jill Stein raised?

 

[Poodlestrike]

Where's the recount money Jill Stein raised?

Kind of what I'm wondering. Did it get refunded or what?

 

[kirblar]

Kind of what I'm wondering. Did it get refunded or what?

You already know the answer.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Putin has helped economically to far left and right parties in Europe, would not be surprised if it has helped the Green party in some infrastructure way too. That would make her a complete stooge in my mind.
Edit: probably not economically cause of how that works in the USA but in infrastracture and media coverage? yeah

It wouldn't surprise me if he had somehow funded targeted online advertising to capture and energize possible Green voters, but given the risk:benefit ratio (i.e. huge risk for relatively little benefit, given you are going to lose anyway), I'm dubious an established (if small) third party would do such a thing and tank their chances of ever hitting that coveted 5%.

 

[Autodidact]

I believe she had a disclaimer saying she'd use the money for something else if the recounts failed.

Still grimey to prey upon desperate people shellshocked by a traumatic election.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Ah yes, the $15 minimum wage, the calling card of the blue dog movement.

Out of all the more left leaning pushes, that and healthcare are the few they can actually touch.

 

[Poodlestrike]

You already know the answer.

Yeahhhhhhh

It wouldn't surprise me if he had somehow funded targeted online advertising to capture and energize possible Green voters, but given the risk:benefit ratio (i.e. huge risk for relatively little benefit, given you are going to lose anyway), I'm dubious an established (if small) third party would do such a thing and tank their chances of ever hitting that coveted 5%.

Counterpoint: 5% is a pipe dream, so the real risk is fairly minimal. Wouldn't set aside the possibility of a personal upside either.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

Slogan needs work.

I think you're onto something!

 

[jtb]

It wouldn't surprise me if he had somehow funded targeted online advertising to capture and energize possible Green voters, but given the risk:benefit ratio (i.e. huge risk for relatively little benefit, given you are going to lose anyway), I'm dubious an established (if small) third party would do such a thing and tank their chances of ever hitting that coveted 5%.

Why? They have nothing to lose.

And, seriously, where is the recount money?

She's an opportunistic grifter, plain and simple. (That's the generous interpretation, anyways)

 

[kirblar]

Out of all the more left leaning pushes, that and healthcare are the few they can actually touch.

$15 minimum wage is not going to go over well in blue dog areas. It's an urban policy.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Paul says he will vote yes on motion to proceed for Obamacare repeal if a vote is allowed on his amendment

THE RIDE NEVER ENDS

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Paul says he will vote yes on motion to proceed for Obamacare repeal if a vote is allowed on his amendment

THE RIDE NEVER ENDS

His amendment is to vote on every single possible GOP plan proposed over the last month. Which isn't going to happen. It would turn into a circus.

 

[Ogodei]

I'm not sure that's a winning platform in 2017

 

[Finale Fireworker]

$15 minimum wage is not going to go over well in blue dog areas. It's an urban policy.

I don't entirely disagree with this, but I also don't think it's hard to convince people they deserve more money.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Why? They have nothing to lose.

And, seriously, where is the recount money?

She's an opportunistic grifter, plain and simple. (That's the generous interpretation, anyways)

I don't deny she's opportunistic and that pocketing the recount money was scummy. I just find it unlikely the Putin stuff is true, as the benefit to either the Greens or Putin is quite low.

 

[PBY]

Ah yes, the $15 minimum wage, the calling card of the blue dog movement.

Is that officially the platform?

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

His amendment is to vote on every single possible GOP plan proposed over the last month. Which isn't going to happen. It would turn into a circus.

His amendment is to vote on a clean repeal (the 2015 bill). He just is insisting it is prominently featured in whatever they vote on or something.

 

[Blader]

White House announces that President Donald Trump "has confidence" in AG Sessions - AP

So we give him till August, right?

https://twitter.com/AP/status/888110238032723968

The kiss of death

 

[Aaron Strife]

If Stein had actually managed to hit 5% the Green Party would desperately be looking for anyone else to run for president in 2020. Same with Johnson and the Libertarians. They wouldn't blow their shot on joke candidates.

Is that officially the platform?

Pelosi has promised a vote on it within the first 100 hours and a Politico article said Schumer supported it as well.

Supposedly their big economic agenda for 2018 will include the $15 minimum wage, a trillion-dollar infrastructure package and some new trade proposal.

Can't wait for fauxgressives to suggest that they don't really support it though. Just like how you can never trust Hillary on anything good, unless she said something bad in which case you can take her at her word 100%.

 

[smokeymicpot]

https://twitter.com/lizzieohreally/status/888115260934070272

IRVING, Texas (AP) - Exxon Mobil sues Treasury Department to stop $2 million fine over alleged violation of Russia sanctions.

 

[Vixdean]

What the fuck is $2 million for Exxon anyway? Their executives are all worth billions. The legal fees to litigate any case related to this will probably exceed $2 million.

 

[ratcliffja]

"Forget Trumpcare.

We care."

Their health care plan should be called Americare. Because we like things that say America.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Slogans don't matter so I don't really care about the slogan itself but I was curious about that Tim Kaine op-ed the slogan is from and it feels kinda upset that someone would write an article than contains both

If you ask regular folks what Democrats want to do to the economy, not many will mention growth as the goal. (This is partly due to broad anti-business rhetoric that is directed toward Wall Street or multinationals but manages to scare off entrepreneurs and small businesses too.) The Democratic economic goal is more likely to be described as about fairness, regulation, taxation or redistribution.

and this

Woody Guthrie sang it so well decades ago — "The gambling man is rich and the working man is poor."

edit: wtf CAD still exists?

 

[Diablos]

https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/888094151702663168

Fuck. This is never going to die.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Slogans matter when they're good

 

[kirblar]

I don't entirely disagree with this, but I also don't think it's hard to convince people they deserve more money.

It's hard to convince people that a higher minimum wage is the solution when the problem is that there are literally no jobs where they live anymore, and/or the wage that you're proposing is really close to the median income of their county.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

@KennethBaer

Maybe if House Dems had leadership that had ever run a competitive race this century (or ever), their messaging wouldn't be so lame.

Tend to agree.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Tend to agree.

What a lame "hot take"

Apparently 2008 and 2006 don't exist and this person is also ignoring the dozens of highly qualified "perfect" candidates gearing up to run all over the country

His amendment is to vote on a clean repeal (the 2015 bill). He just is insisting it is prominently featured in whatever they vote on or something.

The senate isn't going to vote on a clean repeal. It would never make it to the floor. Rand is just talking because he wants to talk without actually wanting to vote on the bill.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Tend to agree.

When was the last time Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell ran in a competitive election for their current posts?

Was the limp-dicked leadership of Tom Daschle really that inspiring? Are these the same people who said Hillary's early primary wins didn't count because they were in red states? The fuck do they want? Make up your goddamn fucking minds.

 

[kirblar]

Tend to agree.

This was also an issue w/ Clinton's background that was reflected in the campaigns.

 

[Poodlestrike]

What the fuck is $2 million for Exxon anyway? Their executives are all worth billions. The legal fees to litigate any case related to this will probably exceed $2 million.

Literally my first thought.

I wouldn't be shocked if just planning the lawsuit already got pretty close to 2 mil.

They have to be trying to prove some kind of point.

 

[Ogodei]

I'm sure you could add nuance to the $15 minimum wage, like an exception for counties with population densities lower than XX.

$10-$15 range nationwide, $10 for superlow population density regions, $12 for medium areas and $15 for high-density areas.

Since most of these are service-sector jobs you wouldn't see too much "venue shopping" for businesses trying to move out to the sticks for lower wages because they'd lose their customers, and getting businesses to move out to low-density areas would be beneficial anyway.

Edit: My CAD post was a reference to a thread the other day which devolved into a bunch of "Loss" shitposting. What i posted was an edited version of Buckley's original.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

sure, it's a shorthand, but my point was that "Corbyn shows how doomed a real leftist would be electorally" was the favorite boogeyman of libs until uh, they were totally wrong.

Usually when people are wrong folks stop listening to them. You can't really blame knuckleheads for wasting your time if you're willing to give them a platform. If you let them stick around without shame after embarrassing themselves, then they'll exploit that.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

When was the last time Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell ran in a competitive election for their current posts?

Was the limp-dicked leadership of Tom Daschle really that inspiring? Are these the same people who said Hillary's early primary wins didn't count because they were in red states? The fuck do they want? Make up your goddamn fucking minds.

Every Democratic candidate must be a charismatic rock star who pushes as far to the left as humanly possible or the left is DOOMED.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Minimum wage is a hyper-localized issue. We only need federal laws on it because of stupid red states who would bring back slavery if they thought they could get away with it.

I'm not really sure it's really something to run nationally on.

 

[Autodidact]

More slogans.

In addition to "Forget Trumpcare. We Care," I have...

"America for All" complete with literature and signage showing the diversity of the party and the country. It also echoes the construction of the phrase "Medicare for All" for the youngsters.

"Ready to Help, Ready to Govern," highlighting Republicans' utter failure to pass legislation and their callousness toward people's health.

"Working for You" because Americans love work ethic, and they can show how Trump has just enriched himself and his cronies.

"New Ideas, New Jobs, New Start," giving people a fresh start after two years of Trump fuckery.

"Let's Make Progress," double meaning - progress in Congress and progress in society; "make" implies that the people will be partners in creating it.

 

[RustyNails]

That slogan makes me want to die. They should just hire Republican consultants and pay them out the ass to come up with messaging.

 

[Poodlestrike]

I'm sure you could add nuance to the $15 minimum wage, like an exception for counties with population densities lower than XX.

$10-$15 range nationwide, $10 for superlow population density regions, $12 for medium areas and $15 for high-density areas.

Since most of these are service-sector jobs you wouldn't see too much "venue shopping" for businesses trying to move out to the sticks for lower wages because they'd lose their customers, and getting businesses to move out to low-density areas would be beneficial anyway.

This is kind of my core thinking. Needs some fine tuning (I'd peg it more to the existing CoL than population density, but your idea would do a better job of avoiding the "pack up and move" issue), but it's good.

Definitely just RUN on "15 dollar minimum wage," though. Technocratic ideas are great when you're in government but they're kinda shit for winning elections.

Except in Virginia, for some reason.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Every Democratic candidate must be a charismatic rock star who pushes as far to the left as humanly possible or the left is DOOMED.

Just look at how Tom Perriello revolutionized politics in Virginia.

 

[kirblar]

I'm sure you could add nuance to the $15 minimum wage, like an exception for counties with population densities lower than XX.

$10-$15 range nationwide, $10 for superlow population density regions, $12 for medium areas and $15 for high-density areas.

Since most of these are service-sector jobs you wouldn't see too much "venue shopping" for businesses trying to move out to the sticks for lower wages because they'd lose their customers, and getting businesses to move out to low-density areas would be beneficial anyway.

Edit: My CAD post was a reference to a thread the other day which devolved into a bunch of "Loss" shitposting. What i posted was an edited version of Buckley's original.

That nuance is in the bill, the "$15" doesn't go into effect until ages from now, when it should be the inflation-adjusted $12 of today.

It just still doesn't stop the messaging issues that the bill has because the initial "Fight for $15" stuff wasn't aimed at all of America, it was aimed at urban liberals by organized labor-backed advocacy groups.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

What a lame "hot take"

Apparently 2008 and 2006 don't exist and this person is also ignoring the dozens of highly qualified "perfect" candidates gearing up to run all over the country

The senate isn't going to vote on a clean repeal. It would never make it to the floor. Rand is just talking because he wants to talk without actually wanting to vote on the bill.

When was the last time Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell ran in a competitive election for their current posts?

Was the limp-dicked leadership of Tom Daschle really that inspiring? Are these the same people who said Hillary's early primary wins didn't count because they were in red states? The fuck do they want? Make up your goddamn fucking minds.

This was also an issue w/ Clinton's background that was reflected in the campaigns.

2006 was in response to Katrina/Iraq War.

2008 was the Obama wave and the recession.

And compared to both those years, there are a lot less competitive seats now. It is even more important to convince people to vote for you.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

Just look at how Tom Perriello revolutionized politics in Virginia.

OSSOFF LOST BECAUSE HE WAS TOO BORING!

 

[balladofwindfishes]

2012 wasn't that long ago, either. While not a proper D wave, we still did well.

It's unsurprising the Democrats would do poorly in 2010 and 2014, given they were midterms during a Democrat president.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Workers of the States, Unite!

 

[Kusagari]

Pre-existing conditions are a tough deal. Because you are basically saying from the moment the insurance, you’re 21 years old, you start working and you’re paying $12 a year for insurance, and by the time you’re 70, you get a nice plan. Here’s something where you walk up and say, “I want my insurance.” It’s a very tough deal, but it is something that we’re doing a good job of.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/20/trump_12_a_year_health_insurance_comment_perplexes_nation.html

Trump needs to direct me to this $12 a year health insurance.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

If insurance was 1$ a month, we would have 99% of our population insured.