lol spare me.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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whyamihere
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🙄🙄🙄Welcome to the realities of being a US Senator from NY. Performative theatre via penalties and rules that have a very low chance of being applied and an even lower chance of holding up in court is actually way better than par here.
Veritigo_X
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Gillibrand really setting up her 2020 run. Once she explains the political realities of supporting apartheid groups she'll have this in the bag. She's almost too good at this.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions
it's an anti Israeli-apartheid group and Gillibrand just co-sponsored a bill that makes it illegal to boycott Israel, punishable by up to 20 years in prison
No, it doesn't. It makes it illegal for someone to boycott Israel on behalf of the UN telling them to boycott Israel (which the UN would never do...).
It's a stupid bill that makes no sense and accomplishes no goal.
This seems even worse?No, it doesn't. It makes it illegal for someone to boycott Israel on behalf of the UN telling them to boycott Israel (which the UN would never do...).
It's a stupid bill that makes no sense and accomplishes no goal.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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This seems even worse?
What the fuck, how.
"It is illegal to boycott Israel now." vs. "It will be illegal to boycott Israel if an event that never happens occurs and your motivation is based on the UN telling you to do something." has one being clearly worse than the other.
It's an amendment to a bill that made it illegal for businesses to boycott Israel based on Qatar or some other country trying to pressure them to boycott Israel.
RustyNails
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This is not a matter of purity test. This is being incredibly hawkish. I'm not voting for her if she decides to run.
My post was sarcastic.This is not a matter of purity test. This is being incredibly hawkish. I'm not voting for her if she decides to run.
And it is a purity test. Which is why it isn't necessarily a bad word.
Nazgul_Hunter
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(Trump @ commissioning of aircraft carrier) You can tell this is what Trump thought being president would be. I have to say this is what hes best at. If we had an elected position for hypeman, hed be good at that.
Basileus777
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Yeah, Gillibrand pretty much disqualified herself.
But eh, I didn't think she'd be a good candidate anyway.
I don't think she'd have much chance of making it through the primary. I don't know who her base would be in most of the early states.
His usual insane self. I love how they keep trying to push the narrative that Don Jr is transparent.The fuck is he on about.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Who cares if you win early states.
It's all proportional and there's no winner take all or most stuff going on.
It's all proportional and there's no winner take all or most stuff going on.
Bonen no Max'd
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fundraising and support dries up if you don't have any early success thoughWho cares if you win early states.
It's all proportional and there's no winner take all or most stuff going on.
isn't the biggest comeback Bill Clinton who was down like, 82 delegates?
I mean they'd have to get the president to sign this bill. Unless the get veto proof majorities on board.
Which I would love to see btw. I can imagine the presidents brain melting when that is explained to him.
GoldenEye 007
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I mean they'd have to get the president to sign this bill. Unless the get veto proof majorities on board.
Which I would love to see btw. I can imagine the presidents brain melting when that is explained to him.
It'll be interesting to see the margins in the House, but the Senate passed this with like over 90 votes. So if that is identical in the House, little ol Donnie is going to be forced to sign it regardless.
Does a president actually put pen to paper on a veto over ride?It'll be interesting to see the margins in the House, but the Senate passed this with like over 90 votes. So if that is identical in the House, little ol Donnie is going to be forced to sign it regardless.
Carpe Libertatem
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What the fuck, how.
"It is illegal to boycott Israel now." vs. "It will be illegal to boycott Israel if an event that never happens occurs and your motivation is based on the UN telling you to do something." has one being clearly worse than the other.
It's an amendment to a bill that made it illegal for businesses to boycott Israel based on Qatar or some other country trying to pressure them to boycott Israel.
What the bill actually does matters less when "this bill puts Israel protesters in jail for 20 years" is what everybody has been saying it does because no one actually reads bills
It'll hardly be a factor in the primaries, at any rate.
Frank the Great
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Dang, if Gillibrand is the nominee I'll have to vote Trump in 2020. She is now disqualified after all, per the wise sages of the neogaf forum.
Dang, if Gillibrand is the nominee I'll have to vote Trump in 2020. She is now disqualified after all, per the wise sages of the neogaf forum.
Don't do this to your blood pressure.
GoldenEye 007
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Does a president actually put pen to paper on a veto over ride?
Oh, I guess they don't actually sign it. Would have been a nice photo, though.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The bill does almost nothing, AIPAC purposefully misread it to try to claim a victory for themselves and then the ACLU and Intercept took their misreading at face value.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/pay-no-mind-to-the-fake-ruckus-about-a-phony-israel-anti-boycott-law
http://www.thedailybeast.com/pay-no-mind-to-the-fake-ruckus-about-a-phony-israel-anti-boycott-law
BlastProcessing
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I mean they'd have to get the president to sign this bill. Unless the get veto proof majorities on board.
Which I would love to see btw. I can imagine the presidents brain melting when that is explained to him.
It could also be that in the details of the bill, there are loopholes inserted that make it toothless.
The last time an anti-BDS bill came up people were outraged at the list of names, then it turned out "oops, it's actually 98-99/100 Senators signed on.""she only pretends to militantly support apartheid" is not as compelling a defense as you think
that's fucking disgusting, imagine saying we should run Democrats in the south who rail on how bad black people are because of the electoral realities
Yes, the obligatory displays are obnoxious. So is having to pretend to pray when your parents kept dragging you to church. But it doesn't stop them from being a fact of life to appease various interested parties. AIPAC is very powerful and influential. And if you can keep them happy w/ nominal displays instead of actual policy changes, that's a good thing.
I'm not a supporter of the current policies of the state over there- I think they should be moving to a two-state solution, I thought Obama tightening the screws and pissing off Netanyahu was a good thing, and I'm glad that I know people working for J street trying to push for this stuff to happen. In the pick 2/3 option they're currently trending dangerously close to abandoning the "Democracy" option, and we should be working to try and help them avoid that outcome permanently solidifying itself. Unfortunately, we lost the best branch of the government equipped to do that in 2016.
Veritigo_X
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Dang, if Gillibrand is the nominee I'll have to vote Trump in 2020. She is now disqualified after all, per the wise sages of the neogaf forum.
Where have I heard this before...
I'm shocked. Shocked.The bill does almost nothing, AIPAC purposefully misread it to try to claim a victory for themselves and then the ACLU and Intercept took their misreading at face value.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/pay-no-mind-to-the-fake-ruckus-about-a-phony-israel-anti-boycott-law
Kid Kamikaze10
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does she still want to throw BDS in jail for 20 years?
She's meeting with the ACLU, and will probably reconsider, considering the push bacm.
Dubbedinenglish
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I wish there was enough will to take on AIPAC like Russia
Kid Kamikaze10
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The bill does almost nothing, AIPAC purposefully misread it to try to claim a victory for themselves and then the ACLU and Intercept took their misreading at face value.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/pay-no-mind-to-the-fake-ruckus-about-a-phony-israel-anti-boycott-law
That too.
Not surprised people are starting early on Harris and Gill. But the left can't be sexist though...
A lot? Bonen is right wrt support and fundraising. National primaries are generally not a two person slugfest like 2008 and 2016. Early wins can snowball into larger support, more victories, and a candidate can usually seal the seal on Super Tuesday.Who cares if you win early states.
It's all proportional and there's no winner take all or most stuff going on.
Lucky Forward
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(Trump @ commissioning of aircraft carrier) You can tell this is what Trump thought being president would be. I have to say this is what hes best at. If we had an elected position for hypeman, hed be good at that.
It's certainly what Trump wanted being president to be, when he offered the vice presidency to Kasich he wanted to put him in charge of all foreign and domestic policy.
What the Trump administration is doing to the judiciary (combined with voting rights issues) are what scare me the most about long term damage he can do.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/20/trum...obamacare-signup-assistance-in-18-cities.html
Regardless of what happens to Trumpcare in Congress, we're seeing this administration continue to damage Obamacare.
Regardless of what happens to Trumpcare in Congress, we're seeing this administration continue to damage Obamacare.
This is one of those "would happen under any GOP admin+GOP congress" things unfortunately. They're that far off the deep end as a whole. The only silver lining is that they're horribly understaffed and likely not stuffing the judiciary at the rate they should be.What the Trump administration is doing to the judiciary (combined with voting rights issues) are what scare me the most about long term damage he can do.
whyamihere
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http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/20/trum...obamacare-signup-assistance-in-18-cities.html
Regardless of what happens to Trumpcare in Congress, we're seeing this administration continue to damage Obamacare.
Yup. Though I do wonder if they will eventually run into legal issues with purposefully harming their own laws.
Abinash117
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The House vote is going to be on Tuesday and is expected to be passed overwelmingly bad the House and Senate.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/21/russia-sanctions-deal-trump-congress-240814
The accord on a package of sanctions against Russia, Iran and North Korea is set for a House vote on Tuesday, according to the announcement from Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy's office. To resolve a partisan clash over giving House Democrats the power to force a vote blocking Trump from easing sanctions on Moscow, the deal expedites House consideration of any anti-Trump vote that the Senate has already passed.
The sanctions legislation is expected to pass with overwhelming majorities in both the House and Senate before lawmakers leave for their annual August recess, giving the Republican-led Congress a major bipartisan achievement to tout amid struggles on health care and taxes — albeit an achievement that delivers a thumb in the eye to Trump.
The White House had pressed to dilute the bill's provisions empowering Congress to block Trump from easing or ending sanctions against Russia, but its request fell on deaf ears among Republican leaders
The sanctions deal makes a technical change to the portion of the bill by ensuring that Congress would not review minor and routine licenses for businesses seeking to operate in partnership with Russian entities.
The deal also gives oil and gas companies some of what they sought in order to avoid what they feared would be undue hindrance of their ability to partner with Russian entities. While the industry had asked for a 50-percent interest threshold for sanctioned Russian entities before penalties kicked in on joint projects, the final agreement set a 33-percent threshold.
whyamihere
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Dang, if Gillibrand is the nominee I'll have to vote Trump in 2020. She is now disqualified after all, per the wise sages of the neogaf forum.
Who is saying this.
I really think--and I'd love to be wrong-- the policy position where the far left least aligns with the country as a whole is Israel. Not healthcare or taxes or education or whatever. I do not think people identify with or understand the suffering of the Palestinian people and I don't think they want to. Israel has been called our only ally and the only democracy in the region for generations. Add fear / dislike of Muslin and racism and you've got a very mainstream position that is f anyone who calls Israel out. People are going to continue to be surprised by this (and they should be, I guess) but if you remember the Brooklyn debate last year when Hillary refused to condemn Israel it just didn't matter.
Bonen no Max'd
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This is goodShe's meeting with the ACLU, and will probably reconsider, considering the push bacm.
What the Trump administration is doing to the judiciary (combined with voting rights issues) are what scare me the most about long term damage he can do.
Party before country.
If it means marginalizing people, then they are a-okay with them.
ArkhamFantasy
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http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/20/trum...obamacare-signup-assistance-in-18-cities.html
Regardless of what happens to Trumpcare in Congress, we're seeing this administration continue to damage Obamacare.
Thankfully most polls are showing that voters are holding Trump/Republicans responsible for stuff like this. Trump idiotically admitted that they're going to sabotage obamacare so anything bad that happens (Whether its his fault or not) is going to be blamed on him and the republicans.
whyamihere
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I really think--and I'd love to be wrong-- the policy position where the far left least aligns with the country as a whole is Israel. Not healthcare or taxes or education or whatever. I do not think people identify with or understand the suffering of the Palestinian people and I don't think they want to. Israel has been called our only ally and the only democracy in the region for generations. Add fear / dislike of Muslin and racism and you've got a very mainstream position that is f anyone who calls Israel out. People are going to continue to be surprised by this (and they should be, I guess) but if you remember the Brooklyn debate last year when Hillary refused to condemn Israel it just didn't matter.
I agree with this.
Currently fighting with Ed Gillespie's digital comms guy on twitter who, you guessed it, isn't terribly bright.
whyamihere
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@EdWGillespie
If you think college is expensive now, just wait until @RalphNortham tries to make it free.
He's real proud of that one.
Aaron Strife
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Wish PPP would poll Virginia soon. I'm especially interested to see generic ballot numbers.I agree with this.
Currently fighting with Ed Gillespie's digital comms guy on twitter who, you guessed it, isn't terribly bright.
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