Silly pigeon, the only way to respond to a hostile invading force is by letting them do whatever they want!
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair
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Third Strike
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For First Time, Millennials And Gen-X Were A Majority Of Electorate In 2016
So I guess the part to worry about is this
Time to panic
Wasn't there a significant drop among African American millennials in 2016?
We already passed a bill saying we wouldn't support that militia in Ukraine...
Like two years ago.
Aren't they part of the national Ukraine military now though? And I believe that ban was lifted.
Silly pigeon, the only way to respond to a hostile invading force is by letting them do whatever they want!
Okay, how about we pump the fucking brakes on sending a 3,000+ plus nazi militia that has been accuse of horrible rapes, murders and other human rights violations more weapons?
I'm convinced you want WW3 with Russia.
VendettaRed07
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Like I get war and foreign entanglements are incredibly scary and that we should be doing everything we can to avoid them. It needs to be a last resort.
But we can't just show our hand that we'll do nothing to protect our allies from foreign threats. Because then foreign threats will just make advancements knowing their won't be any consequences.
It seems incredibly insane to me that in spite of what's going on and how Russia is threatening the political sovereignty of the west and is moving to annex NATO allies they seem more concerned with responding to our sanctions bill than any of their fuckery and power grabs to move against their interests, but whatever.
But we can't just show our hand that we'll do nothing to protect our allies from foreign threats. Because then foreign threats will just make advancements knowing their won't be any consequences.
It seems incredibly insane to me that in spite of what's going on and how Russia is threatening the political sovereignty of the west and is moving to annex NATO allies they seem more concerned with responding to our sanctions bill than any of their fuckery and power grabs to move against their interests, but whatever.
VendettaRed07
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Okay, how about we pump the fucking brakes on sending a 3,000+ plus nazi militia that has been accuse of horrible rapes, murders and other human rights violations more weapons?
I'm convinced you want WW3 with Russia.
You are arguing for appeasement.
Which was an actual contributor to making the last world war possible.
CrimzonSamurai
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Mooch! Noooo! We'd barely scratched the surface of futurama80sguy.jpg!
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Okay, how about we pump the fucking brakes on sending a 3,000+ plus nazi militia that has been accuse of horrible rapes, murders and other human rights violations more weapons?
I'm convinced you want WW3 with Russia.
Russia is sending weapons to the Taliban to fight against the US in Afghanistan.
Has this caused WW3.
Does Russia want WW3.
You are arguing for appeasement.
Which was an actual contributor to making the last world war possible.
And since then we've entered into a lot of stupid wars for the opposite reasons. I just want to at least be aligned with France and Germany on this - I would hope that their leadership would assess the actual risk in light of their countervailing economic incentives, do you not?
Huh, wow
(Was 10 yo and served for 6 mos)
Benjy Sarlin said:President Reagan actually had a comms director who resigned after 11 days, per NBC's Stacey Klein. It had come out he was in the Nazi Youth.
(Was 10 yo and served for 6 mos)
BoogieWoogie
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So is Kelly gonna "stabilize" the west wing? I'll miss the daily dose of chaos if so. I hope not.
If these past years have taught us nothing, it's that it is LITERALLY impossible to stabilize Donald Trump.
You Know Nothing
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...dead-in-the-new-harvard-law-alumni-directory/
RIP.
The blink-and-you-missed him former White House communications director is listed as deceased in the new Harvard Law School alumni directory, which arrived in alums mailboxes the very week that The Mooch became the most talked-about guy in all of politics. An asterisk by the 1989 graduates name indicates that he was reported dead since the last directory, which was published in 2011.
RIP.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I am so confused why American response to Russian aggression will inevitably lead us to war whereas Russian aggression for no reason will not lead to war.
Russia is allies with The Taliban.
They're the Taliban.
Does Russia have no agency?
I'm convinced that every pro-Russia person on this forum is treating the Russian government as a dumb beast with no agency.
Russia is allies with The Taliban.
They're the Taliban.
Does Russia have no agency?
I'm convinced that every pro-Russia person on this forum is treating the Russian government as a dumb beast with no agency.
benicillin
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For First Time, Millennials And Gen-X Were A Majority Of Electorate In 2016
So I guess the part to worry about is this
Time to panic
No, the only thing that is still concerning is the electoral college. 90% of the younger Millennials could get out and vote but it wouldn't matter if we're all still in a couple of blue states. And millennial is such a broad term it apparently counts people up to the age of 35.
I am so confused why American response to Russian aggression will inevitably lead us to war whereas Russian aggression for no reason will not lead to war.
Russia is allies with The Taliban.
They're the Taliban.
Does Russia have no agency?
I'm convinced that every pro-Russia person on this forum is treating the Russian government as a dumb beast with no agency.
I'm not pro-Russia.
Because you are ignoring the fact that we were in a cold war with Russia that only briefly ended for about a decade and a half post-communism and fell apart w/ Putin's ascendance as he decided to restart it.Okay, how about we pump the fucking brakes on sending a 3,000+ plus nazi militia that has been accuse of horrible rapes, murders and other human rights violations more weapons?
I'm convinced you want WW3 with Russia.
If you think any of us are arguing for a military invasion of Russia you are fucking delusional.
Veritigo_X
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Okay, how about we pump the fucking brakes on sending a 3,000+ plus nazi militia that has been accuse of horrible rapes, murders and other human rights violations more weapons?
I'm convinced you want WW3 with Russia.
Damn, it's been like three years since I've heard anyone try to paint the entire Ukrainian military as the Azov Battalion. Blast from the past.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I'm not pro-Russia.
Do you think Russia has any agency or do you view them as a dumb beast.
Because you are ignoring the fact that we were in a cold war with Russia that only briefly ended for about a decade and a half post-communism and fell apart w/ Putin's ascendanc as he decided to restart it.
If you think any of us are arguing for a military invasion of Russia you are fucking delusional.
Obama specifically was very against arming Ukraine because he felt it would escalate the tensions with Russia, drive up the body count and give Russia an excuse for more attacks.
Okay, how about we pump the fucking brakes on sending a 3,000+ plus nazi militia that has been accuse of horrible rapes, murders and other human rights violations more weapons?
I'm convinced you want WW3 with Russia.
You should write op-eds for RT.
CrimzonSamurai
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Huh, wow
(Was 10 yo and served for 6 mos)
Wasn't that compulsory? Doesn't really seem fair.
Unless that's separate from the Hitler Youth. Assume that's what it's referring to.
And Obama turned out to be wrong. The escalation is occurring regardless of what we do.Obama specifically was very against arming Ukraine because he felt it would escalate the tensions with Russia, drive up the body count and give Russia an excuse for more attacks.
BoogieWoogie
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The projection in this conference about dictatorships is amazing.
Munchin looks like Jared Kushner 20 years from now.
You should write op-eds for RT.
This is Obama's stance.
Obama was a Russian puppet?
VendettaRed07
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And since then we've entered into a lot of stupid wars for the opposite reasons. I just want to at least be aligned with France and Germany on this - I would hope that their leadership would assess the actual risk in light of their countervailing economic incentives, do you not?
I would like to be aligned with Germany and France as well. But if they are opposed to this without any alternative plans of action they aren't upholding their agreement to defend NATO if they don't make moves to protect the Ukraine. A good way to be aligned with each other is upholding agreements we enter into.
I get this is made more difficult because we are lead by a madman that can't communicate with them and backed out of the Paris agreement, but that is also why we are placing these sanctions to begin with.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Russia might be less likely to invade and conquer them?
Making good on our obligations to support and defend NATO allies.
The main argument really rests in both of these. If countries fear considering joining NATO, that's a problem.
Now this is complete bullshit. Reeks of planted leak to construct idea of Kelly as 'independent, serious check on Trump' (a la McMaster "serious man in the room"). It only matters if you, you know, actually resigned.
Of course, Trump is too stupid to realize that he actually stands to gain from dumb stories like this but whatever.
Maybe, CNN is one of the only screw-ups thus far on a "sources" report.
You would think they would be extra careful since that fuckup...
The issue with minority/women's rights isn't "selling them off", it's de-emphasizing them in campaign messaging because Hillary Clinton could give 9 speeches on economic issues, but make one Deplorables speech or have 1 talking heads segment on Colin Kaepernick and their brains immediately obsess on that issue.
I think the dichotomy of National vs Local races is the problem.
The more national a canidate is, the more they are expected to to maintain the party platform.
I'd like to see the full context of the quote in question.
We could just have a purgatory sketch with all the people who have been shitcannedLike, I'm now legitimately mad we won't get to see Mooch on SNL
VendettaRed07
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This is Obama's stance.
Obama was a Russian puppet?
I'm pretty sure Obama regrets a lot of his Russian related stances now
Also his jibe at Mitt back in 2012 looks fucking awful now.
BoogieWoogie
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Like what the fuck happened to McMaster? This guy wrote a book about how soldiers should have rebeled against Nixon for Vietnam.
This is Obama's stance.
Obama was a Russian puppet?
Obama opposed sending defensive weapons to Ukraine but he didn't parrot Kremlin talking points.
Cesare Borgia
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This is Obama's stance.
Obama was a Russian puppet?
Exactly. Arming them makes no sense.
He learned why they didn't. The Nixon parallels w/ Trump are getting crazy as he keeps ticking off box after box after box.Like what the fuck happened to McMaster? This guy wrote a book about how soldiers should have rebeled against Nixon for Vietnam.
Obama opposed sending defensive weapons to Ukraine but he didn't parrot Kremlin talking points.
Is there not a segment of the Ukraine army that is a nazi fighting group?
Okay.
Its not the basis of my objection for arming Ukraine, but its part of it.
BoogieWoogie
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"How is this different from Turkey?"
Good fucking question.
Good fucking question.
CrimzonSamurai
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Great non answer on Turkey there
Prof. Bathtub
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Can we not retreat to "You Want WW3" like we've just come out of Finding Dory.
Greigor The Fellhand
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You should write op-eds for RT.
wouldn't be surprised if pby does already
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Wow, that Turkey question was fire.
Yep posted about this in the mooch thread. Of course they completely dodged the question.
Can we not retreat to "You Want WW3" like we've just come out of Finding Dory.
Its not any more absurd than being painted as pro-Russia for the SAME FUCKING STANCES AS OBAMA. Its not a position that rational people cannot disagree on.
wouldn't be surprised if pby does already
And yup.
But some say, when the moon's low on the water, you'll see a reporter every so often saying he got this great interview with this White House comms director who called his cell phone when he was driving over that lonely highway....
You're painted as pro-Russia because your stance on Russia boils down to "Let the bully do what he wants, that way it'll be over faster. If we fight back he'll just hurt us more."
You can't boil it down to a shitty analogy about bullying.
And again - by your logic, Obama was pro-Russia.
BoogieWoogie
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Gotta stretch that time Sanders sttreeeetttccchhhh
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