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[Emerson]

Booker's a plutocrat and I'm not just going to not vote for him, I'm going to make sure no one else I know does.

If you would vote for Trump or nobody rather than vote for Booker, regardless of how disappointed you would be, then throw yourself in the fucking garbage where you belong.

 

[Random Human]

There are two separate Senate bills introduced to stop him from doing that. I honestly think there will be hell to pay if he tries it now.

But what if he fires him before they pass?

 

[The Technomancer]

I mean TYT is garbage arbage trash, but I think Jacobin is of the opinion that all Republicans are evil, and with Democrats, they want to hold their feet to the fire to be better.

Jacobin also ran a positive piece about a Russian guy who speaks at nazi rallies recently. I've sort of stopped paying attention to them even to be annoyed

EDIT: This originally said "accidentally" because I assumed they took it down when literally everyone said "wait what the fuck?" but actually no its totally still up!

 

[NeoXChaos]

Jim Justice switched? welp

Nathaniel Rakich‏ @baseballot 2h2 hours ago
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Nathaniel Rakich Retweeted Reid Wilson
Take that in: a *majority* of states are now Republican trifectas. That's dominance.

Aaron Blake‏Verified account @AaronBlake 2h2 hours ago
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WV Gov. Jim Justice becoming a Republican means we have 34 GOP governors -- tied for the all-time record (1921-22)

Thx Obama.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Jim Justice switched? welp

Thx Obama.

at least it looks like Washington should be back after the special election

 

[Teggy]

<vomits>

There’s a reason Clarence Thomas writes so many solo dissents and concurrences. The second-longest-tenured justice on the Supreme Court has spent more than 25 years staking out a right-wing worldview that can generously be described as idiosyncratic. Thomas’ Constitution is one that gives a president at war the powers of a king while depriving Congress of any meaningful ability to regulate the country. His opposition to the very existence of much of the federal regulatory state, too, has never quite found five votes on the court. No other justice, except perhaps Neil Gorsuch if he continues down his current path, would carry his conservative principles to such an extreme position with regard to presidential authority and congressional constraint.

Now a judge who’s spent his career teetering off the right edge of the federal bench finds himself at the center of the table. Thomas was on hand at the inauguration to swear in Vice President Mike Pence, using the same Bible that Ronald Reagan used when he was sworn in for both of his terms as president. But Thomas is more than just the Trump administration’s philosophical hero. His once-fringy ideas are suddenly flourishing—not only on the high court, through his alliance with Gorsuch, but also in the executive branch

Clarence Thomas’ Army of Clerks Is Making His Once-Fringy Legal Vision a Trump-Era Reality - Slate
https://apple.news/AAMG4wRQWQNG69IsJjh_7IA

 

[studyguy]

Harris is probably in the best position to take the left flank of the notables who are clearly running, but I think she has three key weaknesses, which are:

1. The Mnuchin funding issue.
2. Her track record as AG.
3. Her lukewarm healthcare stance.

All of those can be relatively easily fixed. If she avers big money donations and announces she won't be using a PAC, comes out as substantively in favour of singlepayer, and talks criminal justice reform, she can play off the former as not knowing better (as it's broadly speaking a single incident) and the latter two as 'evolutions', but they're relatively understandable ones.

This is literally the MIC piece I posted earlier.
She's said she's in support of single payer, but definitely not the hard stance since she states you need to work the issues out.

She's spoken on criminal justice last month.

I agree that she's not in a bad spot, but as a CA resident, I still don't see how one overcomes the fact that everyone seems to fucking hate our state politicians outside of CA. It just feels like a lot of the Midwest fucking hates us.

 

[B-Dubs]

Jacobin also ran a positive piece about a Russian guy who speaks at nazi rallies recently. I've sort of stopped paying attention to them even to be annoyed

EDIT: This originally said "accidentally" because I assumed they took it down when literally everyone said "wait what the fuck?" but actually no its totally still up!

wait what?

 

[Autodidact]

This is literally the MIC piece I posted earlier.
She's said she's in support of single payer, but definitely not the hard stance since she states you need to work the issues out.

She's spoken on criminal justice last month.

I agree that she's not in a bad spot, but as a CA resident, I still don't see how one overcomes the fact that everyone seems to fucking hate our state politicians outside of CA. It just feels like a lot of the Midwest fucking hates us.

Envy.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

But what if he fires him before they pass?

The bills are bipartisan and would seem to represent bipartisan sentiment that it will not be tolerated. If he fires him beforehand they either re-install him in a separate bill or I think it legitimately opens to the door to impeachment. He's losing his grip on the Republican congress. Certainly in the Senate.

 

[Valhelm]

Neither is Gillibrand.

Lefty twitter isn't jumping off their seat to vote for Gillibrand either.

This current tension started a few days ago with socialists voicing their objections over Kamala's history on incarceration and her coziness with Mnuchin. She has a lot of other problems, like Zionism and advocacy for charter schools, but these are practically unavoidable in the Democratic party. This happened amidst the rumblings that Clinton donors were anointing Kamala prematurely, without any consultation from voters. Some liberals thought these objections are only being made because she's a black woman. I think that's off the mark because these same folks on twitter have spent the past 18 months critiquing Clinton and Schumer and Joe Biden, but this dispute only widened the gap between leftists and liberals and left a bad taste in everybody's mouth.

Then Ryan Cooper made everything worse by deciding to deride three popular black liberals on behalf of the entire left. I guess he was trying to explain why this tension had begun, but just escalated the fallacious narrative of "white leftists vs black and brown liberals".

Personally, I think both Gillibrand or Harris are substantially better than Hillary Clinton and will vote for either of them. I expect that most people with rose emojis on twitter will do the same. A lot of the Reddit Bernie crowd won't vote for anybody on election day, but that doesn't matter because SandersForPresident types are not an active, coherent, or reliable demographic.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I agree that she's not in a bad spot, but as a CA resident, I still don't see how one overcomes the fact that everyone seems to fucking hate our state politicians outside of CA. It just feels like a lot of the Midwest fucking hates us.

yeah, this is where I think she'll struggle, honestly. She is the personification of the urban, liberal, coastal elite. She's charismatic and I think can weave her way between progressives and neoliberals reasonably well, but she's not going to get the populists and we live in an era of populists.

That said, I don't really see which Democratic politician can actually do this very well, so it's not a negative mark against her specifically. It's a problem the Democratic party as a whole needs to work on image-wise. The trustbuster stuff is a great start.

 

[The Technomancer]

wait what?

https://jacobinmag.com/2017/08/russa-alexey-navalny-anticorruption-movement-left

To be completely fair they ran a follow up piece the next day that, while it didn't mention this one, took the opposite stance on Navalny

But stuff like this is exactly what I'm worried about when I say I'm concerned that far left movements (I mean, political movements in general but far left movements at the moment) are not on their guard enough for how this shit sneaks in

 

[Aaron Strife]

at least it looks like Washington should be back after the special election

We'll get New Jersey too.

Other targets for trifecta flips:

Maine (governorship + 1 seat in the State Senate)
Colorado (1 seat in the State Senate)
New Mexico (governorship)
Nevada (governorship)
Vermont (governorship)
Illinois (governorship)
Maryland (governorship)
Massachusetts (governorship)
New York (State Senate, hard due to IDC fuckery)
New Hampshire (governorship, State Senate and State House - seems like a heavy lift but the State House is notoriously swingy due to being so large)

Win all of those and we go from having 6 trifectas (8 in November, hopefully) to 18. All Clinton states. The other two - Virginia and Minnesota - have Dem governors with full GOP legislatures. VA could flip its state house this November and MN in 2018, but the State Senate isn't up in VA until 2019, and MN in 2020. In both instances, Democrats would just need to pick up one seat, assuming the Lt. Governor in Virginia stays a Democrat. MN just one seat would give us the majority.

 

[Plinko]

Lefty twitter isn't jumping off their seat to vote for Gillibrand either.

This current tension started a few days ago with socialists voicing their objections over Kamala's history on incarceration and her coziness with Mnuchin. She has a lot of other problems, like Zionism and advocacy for charter schools, but these are practically unavoidable in the Democratic party. This happened amidst the rumblings that Clinton donors were anointing Kamala prematurely, without any consultation from voters. Some liberals thought these objections are only being made because she's a black woman. I think that's off the mark because these same folks on twitter have spent the past 18 months critiquing Clinton and Schumer and Joe Biden, but this dispute only widened the gap between leftists and liberals and left a bad taste in everybody's mouth.

Then Ryan Cooper made everything worse by deciding to deride three popular black liberals on behalf of the entire left. I guess he was trying to explain why this tension had begun, but just escalated the fallacious narrative of "white leftists vs black and brown liberals".

Personally, I think both Gillibrand or Harris are substantially better than Hillary Clinton and will vote for either of them. I expect that most people with rose emojis on twitter will do the same. A lot of the Reddit Bernie crowd won't vote for anybody on election day, but that doesn't matter because SandersForPresident types are not an active, coherent, or reliable demographic.

I have a feeling the people picking sides between the younger candidates is going to help Biden in the primary a ton. By the time the primary is over, the younger candidates may have savaged each other enough to where they all may be damaged goods.

 

[Wilsongt]

Jim Justice switched? welp

Thx Obama.

So... How close until a Constitution Convention can be held and state only white, aflluent land owners can vote?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I have a feeling the people picking sides between the younger candidates is going to help Biden in the primary a ton.

Biden is a non-starter. Don't do this to yourself.

 

[whyamihere]

So... How close until a Constitution Convention can be held and state only white, aflluent land owners can vote?

You don't need a governorship to call a constitutional convention.

Also, Republicans are seriously overextended in state legislatures. They'll probably see an contraction at some point.

 

[PBY]

Lefty twitter isn't jumping off their seat to vote for Gillibrand either.

This current tension started a few days ago with socialists voicing their objections over Kamala's history on incarceration and her coziness with Mnuchin. She has a lot of other problems, like Zionism and advocacy for charter schools, but these are practically unavoidable in the Democratic party. This happened amidst the rumblings that Clinton donors were anointing Kamala prematurely, without any consultation from voters. Some liberals thought these objections are only being made because she's a black woman. I think that's off the mark because these same folks on twitter have spent the past 18 months critiquing Clinton and Schumer and Joe Biden, but this dispute only widened the gap between leftists and liberals and left a bad taste in everybody's mouth.

Then Ryan Cooper made everything worse by deciding to deride three popular black liberals on behalf of the entire left. I guess he was trying to explain why this tension had begun, but just escalated the fallacious narrative of "white leftists vs black and brown liberals".

Personally, I think both Gillibrand or Harris are substantially better than Hillary Clinton and will vote for either of them. I expect that most people with rose emojis on twitter will do the same. A lot of the Reddit Bernie crowd won't vote for anybody on election day, but that doesn't matter because SandersForPresident types are not an active, coherent, or reliable demographic.

I agree with this characterization. The Cooper Article fucked up my timeline, but it made very valid points. I'm not sure that those issues are all unavoidable either. However, the framing was at best problematic, at worst racist.

At some point, though, this broad-brush painting of "the left" needs to stop. If people want to target the DSA, call it out as such. But the amorphous "left" doesn't speak in unison.

 

[whyamihere]

Also, how obtuse do you have to be to lump Kamala, Booker, and Patrick together and not think that this won't be an issue.

 

[ivajz]

So, Flynn updated his forms.
APNewsBreak: Flynn details tie to data firm, transition pay

https://www.apnews.com/a250d1088af44a3b8b55275dc97de608

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser is detailing previously undisclosed paid speaking engagements, business positions and income from the presidential transition that he left off his public financial disclosure.

A person close to Michael Flynn tells The Associated Press the filing shows Flynn entered into a consulting agreement with a Virginia-based company related to data firm Cambridge Analytica, which aided the Trump campaign. The person says Flynn didn’t perform work or accept payment under the agreement. He terminated it after Trump’s election victory.

Flynn reports earning about $28,000 from the transition and more than $5,000 as a consultant to an aborted plan to build nuclear power plants across the Middle East.

The person spoke on condition of anonymity to describe the revised filing ahead of its public release.

___

This story corrects the relationship of the Virginia company with Cambridge Analytica.

 

[royalan]

yeah, this is where I think she'll struggle, honestly. She is the personification of the urban, liberal, coastal elite. She's charismatic and I think can weave her way between progressives and neoliberals reasonably well, but she's not going to get the populists and we live in an era of populists.

That said, I don't really see which Democratic politician can actually do this very well, so it's not a negative mark against her specifically. It's a problem the Democratic party as a whole needs to work on image-wise. The trustbuster stuff is a great start.

A coastal elite currently sits in the white house.

It'll be a struggle, yeah. But Kamala having the charisma to hand-wave this is the least of my concerns.

I'm more concerned about how she navigates the hoops Hillary had to by being a woman running for President while being a black woman on top of that.

 

[whyamihere]

So, Flynn updated his forms.
APNewsBreak: Flynn details tie to data firm, transition pay

https://www.apnews.com/a250d1088af44a3b8b55275dc97de608

 

[Box of Kittens]

Illinois (governorship)

The good news: Between Rauner's utter incompetence and recent decision to move even further right, along with the dynamics of a midterm election in Illinois with Trump as president, this election is an uncontested layup.

The bad news: The Democratic field is a bunch of guys who are fully capable of missing an uncontested layup.

 

[Valhelm]

wait what?

Jacobin ran a dumb fucking article saying that Russian leftists should co-opt the movement of Alexander Navalny (a Nazi turned liberal activist) in order to overthrow Putin's corrupt order and turn Russia into a more progressive contry. The problem is that even though Alexander Navalny says nice things about democracy and is becoming Russia's foremost LGBT activist, Naziism isn't something you can just leave behind. Even though Putin is a right-wing nationalist, many ethnic minorities are unwilling to trade him for Navalny, who hates immigrants and advocated for the mass deportation of Chechen people. Trying to participate in a movement centered around this man is going to advance the dangerous parts of his agenda, and can potentially kill a left-wing momentum better used elsewhere.

This is not too unusual for Jacobin, because their particular brand of democratic socialism leads them to regularly praise bloodthirsty right-wing forces who happen to oppose autocratic left-wing governments. Their coverage of Venezuela and the Syrian Civil War has been terrible, with all the pro-US bias you'd expect of CNN or Fox News. They put out a pretty good take on Navalny earlier last month, but giving free press to a white nationalist -- even one who opposes Putin -- is completely unacceptable.

But stuff like this is exactly what I'm worried about when I say I'm concerned that far left movements (I mean, political movements in general but far left movements at the moment) are not on their guard enough for how this shit sneaks in

While I agree with you, this is a far bigger problem with liberal organizations. When leftists support far-right demagogues abroad, it's as a scandal. When liberals do this, nobody notices. Hillary's guy Peter Daou spent his teenage years gunning down Palestinian refugees as a fascist militant in Lebanon. Some of her other colleagues have supported Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, who came to power with US assistance in their 2014 overthrow of the Putin-aligned government. This is pretty standard for American politics, because securing global hegemony regularly requires our politicians to make alliances with unsavory figures they'd never want to share a taxi with.

 

[Ogodei]

You don't need a governorship to call a constitutional convention.

Also, Republicans are seriously overextended in state legislatures. They'll probably see an contraction at some point.

They're overextended in governorships (Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey, friggin' Vermont, Massachusetts, and Nevada nowadays). Only legislatures that are "reaches" for them are Washington and New York (due to disloyal Dems), and Maine. Everything else that they have is going to be harder to dislodge before 2022 and new district elections.

Virginia's a possibility, since they're only up by 2 in the state senate and a House wave is possible this year, though unlikely.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

SO

MUCH

OPPODROPPO

 

[Vimes]

I agree that she's not in a bad spot, but as a CA resident, I still don't see how one overcomes the fact that everyone seems to fucking hate our state politicians outside of CA. It just feels like a lot of the Midwest fucking hates us.

I spend a lot of time lately thinking about how if CA actually had proportional representation in DC the rest of the country would be kissing our ring.

 

[whyamihere]

They're overextended in governorships (Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey, friggin' Vermont, Massachusetts, and Nevada nowadays). Only legislatures that are "reaches" for them are Washington and New York (due to disloyal Dems), and Maine. Everything else that they have is going to be harder to dislodge before 2022 and new district elections.

Virginia's a possibility, since they're only up by 2 in the state senate and a House wave is possible this year, though unlikely.

Well, to stop a constitutional convention, you only need to win one of the chambers. So winning New York or Washington or Maine does nothing.

But, New Hampshire's Senate, Virginia's House, Florida's Senate, Iowa's Senate, and weirdly, Arizona's Senate, are all in reach. And then something like Minnesota's House is totes gettable as well.

You can break those constitutional convention stuff fairly easily with a good year for Dems.

 

[PBY]

I don't want to re-ignite this argument or discussion, but I will just leave this here.

Lauren Duca warning but:

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/demo...high-politics-lauren-duca?mbid=social_twitter

Just for your consideration. That is all.

 

[Random Human]

So, Flynn updated his forms.
APNewsBreak: Flynn details tie to data firm, transition pay

https://www.apnews.com/a250d1088af44a3b8b55275dc97de608

Boy, we're really gonna find out the Trump data operation colluded with Russia, huh. I mean that theory will turn out true.

 

[PantherLotus]

You'd almost think things were accelerating.

 

[pigeon]

It's specifically referring to the comments about how the left is taking aim at black Democrats and pointing out the substantive criticisms being made of those three.

Of course there are substantive leftist criticisms to be made of these candidates, they're mainstream Democrats. This is a meaningless bar. You can come up with substantive leftist criticisms for every politician in America.

The point is that this article chose not to do that and instead chose to target three black politicians. This is problematic. It's also problematic how lefty PoliGAF is pretending that that's not what happened!

Lefty twitter isn't jumping off their seat to vote for Gillibrand either.

As I have already pointed out, this is not a substantive response and serves only to muddy the waters.

Then Ryan Cooper made everything worse by deciding to deride three popular black liberals on behalf of the entire left. I guess he was trying to explain why this tension had begun, but just escalated the fallacious narrative of "white leftists vs black and brown liberals".

I mean, at the point at which a leftist is writing an article explicitly targeting three black liberals and a bunch of ostensibly leftist people are excusing it or averting their eyes because they generally agree with him otherwise, it's not a fallacious narrative. It's literally what's happening! In this very conversation!

This is yet another example of you, as well as other posters, playing "it can't be racist, I know this guy."

Stop tolerating racist shit and calling yourself leftist. Choose one!

 

[NoName999]

NEW: Secret Service vacates Trump Tower command post, after dispute w/@realdonaldtrump's company over a lease.

Sure Donald, piss off the people whose job it is to take the bullet for you.

 

[Hubbl3]

SO

MUCH

OPPODROPPO

This week has been kind of slow, but I'm definitely gettin my oppo fix today

 

[kirblar]

Also, how obtuse do you have to be to lump Kamala, Booker, and Patrick together and not think that this won't be an issue.

It was completely deliberate. The "OH LOOK THEYRE CRYING ABOUT RACISM/SEXISM AGAIN TO DEFLECT" narrative was already pouring out of that segment of the internet prior to this.

 

[Mackenzie 92]

Jim Justice switched? welp

Thx Obama.

thank God they don't have 38. who knows what these loons would do if they could amend the constitution.

 

[studyguy]

You'd almost think things were accelerating.

This is like one of those title drops in a film.

 

[whyamihere]

thank God they don't have 38. who knows what these loons would do if they could amend the constitution.

governorships don't do anything to change the constitution

nothing changes

 

[studyguy]

It was completely deliberate. The "OH LOOK THEYRE CRYING ABOUT RACISM/SEXISM AGAIN TO DEFLECT" narrative was already pouring out of that segment of the internet prior to this.

The most hilarious thing is I saw that article first in Discord first and the subheader was....

Like come on, I don't care how justified it is in your mind, if your argument is "It's not about race" then your message sucks. Stop and try again.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Well, to stop a constitutional convention, you only need to win one of the chambers. So winning New York or Washington or Maine does nothing.

But, New Hampshire's Senate, Virginia's House, Florida's Senate, Iowa's Senate, and weirdly, Arizona's Senate, are all in reach. And then something like Minnesota's House is totes gettable as well.

You can break those constitutional convention stuff fairly easily with a good year for Dems.

Not to mention the North Carolina assembly. If we get a court-drawn map it's entirely feasible we could turn the whole state blue next year.

 

[Mackenzie 92]

governorships don't do anything to change the constitution

nothing changes

talking about the trifectas. doesn't that mean they have the state legislatures?

 

[Ogodei]

governorships don't do anything to change the constitution

nothing changes

and the GOP does have 4 more legislatures than the 34 listed: Montana, Louisiana, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and North Carolina.

So they could do it now if they wanted to. They won't because a Convention would be chaos that no-one would be able to control and god knows what would come out of it.

 

[Valhelm]

The point is that this article chose not to do that and instead chose to target three black politicians. This is problematic. It's also problematic how lefty PoliGAF is pretending that that's not what happened!

As I have already pointed out, this is not a substantive response and serves only to muddy the waters.

I mean, at the point at which a leftist is writing an article explicitly targeting three black liberals and a bunch of ostensibly leftist people are excusing it or averting their eyes because they generally agree with him otherwise, it's not a fallacious narrative. It's literally what's happening! In this very conversation!

This is yet another example of you, as well as other posters, playing "it can't be racist, I know this guy."

Stop tolerating racist shit and calling yourself leftist. Choose one!

Ryan Cooper was reporting on an existing split which began on twitter, and chose to do so in a harmful way that completely sabotaged the perspective he's apparently trying to promote. There's not much that unites Harris, Booker, and Patrick besides their blackness, so lumping them together in a critique is a really bad idea. I mentioned this.

I don't agree with the article and have no love for Ryan Cooper. I don't get why you're being so antagonistic. Everybody in this thread can agree that it's a bad look.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

If you would vote for Trump or nobody rather than vote for Booker, regardless of how disappointed you would be, then throw yourself in the fucking garbage where you belong.

jesus you vile harpy, I meant in the primaries

 

[NeoXChaos]

I thought they realistically need 38 to ratify anything? So yeah they can call for one but no Democratic Legislature would go along with whatever crazy proposals they come up with and they are out luck with the 1/2 control in the rest.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I don't know if it was intentional, but at best it's still pretty fucking tone-deaf for a wing that also needs to win allies, so I'm pretty content to disown it and say it was a stupid article. /shrugs

 

[Abinash117]

Jacobin ran a dumb fucking article saying that Russian leftists should co-opt the movement of Alexander Navalny (a Nazi turned liberal activist) in order to overthrow Putin's corrupt order and turn Russia into a more progressive contry. The problem is that even though Alexander Navalny says nice things about democracy and is becoming Russia's foremost LGBT activist, Naziism isn't something you can just leave behind. Even though Putin is a right-wing nationalist, many ethnic minorities are unwilling to trade him for Navalny, who hates immigrants and advocated for the mass deportation of Chechen people. Trying to participate in a movement centered around this man is going to advance the dangerous parts of his agenda, and can potentially kill a left-wing momentum better used elsewhere.

This is not too unusual for Jacobin, because their particular brand of democratic socialism leads them to regularly praise bloodthirsty right-wing forces who happen to oppose autocratic left-wing governments. Their coverage of Venezuela and the Syrian Civil War has been terrible, with all the pro-US bias you'd expect of CNN or Fox News. They put out a pretty good take on Navalny earlier last month, but giving free press to a white nationalist -- even one who opposes Putin -- is completely unacceptable.



While I agree with you, this is a far bigger problem with liberal organizations. When leftists support far-right demagogues abroad, it's as a scandal. When liberals do this, nobody notices. Hillary's guy Peter Daou spent his teenage years gunning down Palestinian refugees as a fascist militant in Lebanon. Some of her other colleagues have supported Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, who came to power with US assistance in their 2014 overthrow of the Putin-aligned government. This is pretty standard for American politics, because securing global hegemony regularly requires our politicians to make alliances with unsavory figures they'd never want to share a taxi with.

It is something not that uncommon with some left wing groups, but I never understood why. I try to chalk it up with some form of anti-establishment, but it doesn't seem to be always true.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Also, how obtuse do you have to be to lump Kamala, Booker, and Patrick together and not think that this won't be an issue.

Yeah

Especially given how many cartoonishly corrupt candidates we are pretty certain will run but weren't called out.

Idk I think it would have been better to go with an article more like, "Why leftists don't trust the mayor from The Wire. And why his ab muscles have nothing to do with it".

 

[BobTheFork]

Trump tweeted for civil unrest when Obama won re-election.

Honest question, how long before he tweets the same as president?


I would guess by the end of this year at the earliest and end of next year at the latest