balladofwindfishes
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So I guess he's a no?
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair
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So I guess he's a no?
cartoon_soldier
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There is no plan for a conference.
nature boy
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Turtle better come up with a miracle, he could be on the line if he fucks this up
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Agree with the sentiment that House will pass anything Senate throws them. Trump pressured them all to get something done. They're caving like spineless cowards.
Good luck in 2018!
Ftfy
Good luck in 2018!
Ftfy
BoogieWoogie
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I'm exceptionally giddy right now about how fucked they are.
whyamihere
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http://www.savemycare.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/NevadaResults20170727.pdf
New PPP gives Heller at 29/56 approval in Nevada...
New PPP gives Heller at 29/56 approval in Nevada...
If McConnell tricks a handful of Senate Rs into voting for a bill predicated on the lie that it'll go to conference, how can he possibly manage to maintain their trust after this? How is that a good long-term strategy as the leader of the Senate Republican conference?
Yep, his approvals are way too low now to be a swing voter anymore. He knows he's fucked and is just going to fall in line for the rest of his term.
Yep, his approvals are way too low now to be a swing voter anymore. He knows he's fucked and is just going to fall in line for the rest of his term.
BoogieWoogie
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OOF!
Resident_UA
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What the fuck is going on? How much longer will this insanity last?
balladofwindfishes
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He's not thinking long term.
Also if we know Ryan is going to pass this without a conference, the senators know.
Damn.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
He can't. This is going to backfire HUGE on him because they all know how devastating voting for this bill will be in the elections. All polling shows this. He's stabbing them in the back because he wants to please Trump.
BoogieWoogie
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Until the recess. Most likely this will be said and done tomorrow, one way or the other.
I think it's more himself than Trump. McConnell's basically staked his reputation with this.
Resident_UA
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Didn't they extend the recess already? I just want this to be over. It's causing too much stress
It's a good thing the vote is tomorrow, because if it were today, that wouldn't necessarily be true. Senators don't always get the news as fast as others do. Like, how many times has Ron Johnson learned about a press report while being interviewed by the press just this week?
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Why does he want to please Trump is the big question I don't get.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
He'll vote for it. They'll all cave. 50+1.
Autodidact
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I so badly want to see Mitch deposed. If the bill passes, he might be; if the bill fails, he might be.
Officerrob
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Johnson has got to be pissed, Turtle won't stop lying to him
balladofwindfishes
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This hasn't been true this entire process. They haven't caved. If they were going to cave for whatever, it would have passed 2 months ago.
whyamihere
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Trump's approval is 42/53 btw in that Nevada poll.
Hereeeeeeeeee's Jacky!
Hereeeeeeeeee's Jacky!
The House/Senate freezing up rather than passing super shitty legislation is a good thing tho.
Futurevoid
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If anyone needs a quick primer on what's going on with the healthcare vote, this is a good quick thread:
https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/890660370687311874
https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/890660370687311874
whyamihere
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Ooof, Heller approval
Trump voters: 36/53
Clinton voters: 22/64
no one likes him
Trump voters: 36/53
Clinton voters: 22/64
no one likes him
Officerrob
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I'm guessing that's 42/53?
More a comment on the sheer ineptitude of it all, but yes it is good that it is preventing harmful outcomes.
I'm actually surprised we haven't heard whispers of Senators wanting to remove McConnell yet.
Even the Senators willing to vote Yes on Mitch's legislation seem like they'd rather be on something else if he just moved the fuck on. And he can't have many friends the way he's jerking Republicans around right now.
Mitch would make a pretty convenient scapegoat right about now...
Even the Senators willing to vote Yes on Mitch's legislation seem like they'd rather be on something else if he just moved the fuck on. And he can't have many friends the way he's jerking Republicans around right now.
Mitch would make a pretty convenient scapegoat right about now...
whyamihere
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cartoon_soldier
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The plan is to quickly vote on the skinny repeal.
No lies detected, but god damn is stressful that they just fucking keep trying and there never seems to be a means to just kill it off for good.
Because just like w/ Boehner, no one actually wants the job.
balladofwindfishes
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Senators are literally being tricked to vote on something they never wanted passed
I can't believe McConnell has gotten to this point where he's tricking his own senators to vote on something by making promises he knows aren't true. That's a pretty new low for someone who was already rock bottom awful.
I can't believe McConnell has gotten to this point where he's tricking his own senators to vote on something by making promises he knows aren't true. That's a pretty new low for someone who was already rock bottom awful.
fredrancour
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McConnell finally is in the position to create things and pass bills instead of obstructing Obama for a living. It pains his twisted black ego to let the world see what a fraud he is, now that it's revealed his only skill is being an asshole.if he can't asshole a trumpcare bill into existence, he's nothing
Autodidact
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Again, if the Nevada GOP has any sense, they'll run Sandoval. Rosen couldn't beat him. The Democrats could run Dina Titus since she wants to try so damn badly.
But I hope Heller stays in the race.
But I hope Heller stays in the race.
Ignatz Mouse
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whoops.
I can't wait for him to be gone. I know people who voted for him hoping he'd break the Madigan stranglehold on state politics (and that would be a good thing) but he's botched it by trying to go full Walker.
He could have actually been a force for good.
Now we'll likely go back to a Dem supermajority and more kick-the-can policies.
IL is a good example of why single-party rule is vulnerable to abuse.
BoogieWoogie
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To pass something that even McConnell doesn't want. This shit is hilarious, if it wasn't so tragic.
Joe Shlabotnik
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At this point people should be calling their Senators just to tell them the House is going to vote on their bill.
balladofwindfishes
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At least it seems like news got out early enough for senators to catch on.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I didn't say it was true this entire process. Trump put the pressure on them now and is calling them out via Twitter. He met with them again. He desperately needs a win. They desperately need to appear like they have accomplished something. That's my reasoning.
Schucky Ducky
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I totally think a lot of them knew this was the case already, but just wanted to have an excuse. But now they don't have plausible deniability. Everyone knows that a vote for this bill is a vote for this bill and not a vote for a conference.
balladofwindfishes
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He's done that the entire process. Forget about the PAC he made to go against Heller?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I'm not necessarily sure this is true. I think he is reveling in the fact that he's about to repeal the mandate.
He backed off until recently. Besides, the bill was continued to be pushed to this point repeatedly, long after many people continued to say "It's dead! It's dead!"
That PAC went after them, but Trump didn't necessarily publicly shame these guys.
If he's telling people though then I don't understand why he keeps excluding Johnson. Johnson would probably sign on to whatever he wants if the turtle would just fucking keep him in the loop.
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