Sure, but if they do actually vote on skinny, none of the machinations it took to get there will matter in the end.
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Sure, but if they do actually vote on skinny, none of the machinations it took to get there will matter in the end.
RumbleHumble
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It's like McConnell never actually had any idea what he was doing the whole time or something!
It helps reinforce a see-through wall.
Don't really know. The process is happening so quickly that there are conflicting reports.
Joe Shlabotnik
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balladofwindfishes
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I'm not really sure much more to even tell you considering Johnson has specially voted no (well, threatened enough to count as a no before the vote) on healthcare reform before due to being told one thing that was changed behind his back without him knowing.
He has literally actually did this
So it like, kind of does matter
Pretty sure tomorrow is the vote
All Trump wants is to be praised, though, and even if he's been a petty shit all his life, he also demonstrably had more self-control in the past and at least understood optics 15 years ago even if he's never been able to hold an L.
IggyChooChoo
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The GOP currently controls both houses in 32 states, and they would have two presumably dire elections to get to 38. Then it would just have to pass by simple majority in congress. I don't believe governors have any role in constitutional amendments. Or am I wrong?
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k never mind, i didn't realize the proposal had to get past a 2/3 threshold in the house and senate.BoogieWoogie
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Ah ah ah, a see-through wall POWERED BY THE SUN.
Joe Shlabotnik
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I've been meaning to post a similar sentiment for a while. I don't think you can divorce the chutzpah from the incompetence.
A more "competently evil" administration would be partially roadblocked by their own respect for norms and institutions.
BoogieWoogie
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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/27/16051508/gop-senator-skinny-repeal-hot-potato
Really just says it all doesn't it?
balladofwindfishes
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Gaining control of 6 more chambers requires getting into blue states where there is essentially no chance of it happened.
From my research, it seems the governor's role depends on the state and how they handle it.
On one hand we have some senators that won't vote yes unless this becomes law, on the other, one's that won't vote yes unless this doesn't become law
Fun times
Abinash117
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Does this need 60 votes in the Senate?
balladofwindfishes
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Also either they bang it out this weekend, or it waits an entire month.
BoogieWoogie
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And they HAVE to start thinking budget and tax shit.
Metalingus5150
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"Money for the wall is part of a broader $788 billion spending bill funding defense and veterans programs."
So they took something from veterans to give to the wall?
balladofwindfishes
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After typing that "it'll be an entire month blah blah" reality just set in that we'll have 2 weeks where we have no functioning federal government. No senators, no house, no president, no SC.
The entire federal government will be out.
The entire federal government will be out.
AntraxSuicide
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I'm going to keep track of questions asked in today's press briefing and whether Huck Sanders says anything that any Trump supporting gomer off the street couldn't say.
Did Sarah say something only an insider would know?
1. No (asked if Trump had confidence in Sessions - she wouldn't say)
2. No (asked about Lindsey Graham's hell to pay comments and if pres had a reaction, she didn't know)
3. No. (Military says the need more direction than a tweet for transgender policy change. Does pres plan to do so and what happens? What's the plan? She didn't know. )
4. No (Would the white house report a skinny repeal? "They support progress." Would the president sign a skinny repeal? She doesn't know.
5. No. (Is the president aware his tweets step on others actions? Didn't answer)
6. No. (Does Trump want to change the way immigration law enforcement officers use force? She didn't know.)
7. No. (Does Mooch think Reince is the leaker? Does the WH? She didn't answer)
8. No. (Should tax reform be revenue neutral? Details to come later)
9. No. (Has Mooch taken a oath of office? She doesn't know. )
10. No. (Does the pres know HFC won't support skinny repeal and will he take action? Doesn't answer)
11. No. (Is the president calling Senators to convince them? What's his message? I'll keep you posted on any specifics. )
12. No. (Will pres veto Russia sanctions bill? She doesn't know. )
13. No. (When will we have details from DoD on transgender thing? Doesn't know.)
14. No. (Can you put to rest that Sessions will not be fired? Won't answer.
15. No. (is the president aware of the IT staffer working for DWS arrested attempting to leave the country and is he satisfied with the investigation? We're watching)
16. No. (Comment on Scout leader's apology for Trump's speech - does the pres owe the boy scouts an apology? They were excited the pres was there. Haven't seen scouts statement can't comment)
17. No. (Mooch violated guidelines talking to DoJ? Alaska blackmail issue? Won't speak on conversations she wasn't a part of.)
18. No. (Does the pres think Mooch and Preibus need to meet to work things out? She doesn't know. )
Waste. Of. Time.
Did Sarah say something only an insider would know?
1. No (asked if Trump had confidence in Sessions - she wouldn't say)
2. No (asked about Lindsey Graham's hell to pay comments and if pres had a reaction, she didn't know)
3. No. (Military says the need more direction than a tweet for transgender policy change. Does pres plan to do so and what happens? What's the plan? She didn't know. )
4. No (Would the white house report a skinny repeal? "They support progress." Would the president sign a skinny repeal? She doesn't know.
5. No. (Is the president aware his tweets step on others actions? Didn't answer)
6. No. (Does Trump want to change the way immigration law enforcement officers use force? She didn't know.)
7. No. (Does Mooch think Reince is the leaker? Does the WH? She didn't answer)
8. No. (Should tax reform be revenue neutral? Details to come later)
9. No. (Has Mooch taken a oath of office? She doesn't know. )
10. No. (Does the pres know HFC won't support skinny repeal and will he take action? Doesn't answer)
11. No. (Is the president calling Senators to convince them? What's his message? I'll keep you posted on any specifics. )
12. No. (Will pres veto Russia sanctions bill? She doesn't know. )
13. No. (When will we have details from DoD on transgender thing? Doesn't know.)
14. No. (Can you put to rest that Sessions will not be fired? Won't answer.
15. No. (is the president aware of the IT staffer working for DWS arrested attempting to leave the country and is he satisfied with the investigation? We're watching)
16. No. (Comment on Scout leader's apology for Trump's speech - does the pres owe the boy scouts an apology? They were excited the pres was there. Haven't seen scouts statement can't comment)
17. No. (Mooch violated guidelines talking to DoJ? Alaska blackmail issue? Won't speak on conversations she wasn't a part of.)
18. No. (Does the pres think Mooch and Preibus need to meet to work things out? She doesn't know. )
Waste. Of. Time.
So wait is the recess still delayed 2 weeks or is that no longer the case?
whyamihere
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Single payer goes down.
0 Yes
57 No
43 Present
My guess is the 5 Dem Nos were Heitkmap, Manchin, Donnelly, Tester, and McCaskill. Which, lol. GOOD JOB GOP.
0 Yes
57 No
43 Present
My guess is the 5 Dem Nos were Heitkmap, Manchin, Donnelly, Tester, and McCaskill. Which, lol. GOOD JOB GOP.
balladofwindfishes
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I don't really know. I figured it was still on, since healthcare was the big reason for the delay.
It was also just the senate, so it's not like they can pass something during those two weeks
Futurevoid
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Lenghty post but with so much news that there's so much (important) stuff that gets lost. Including the fact that Kobach has resent a new request to the States asking for their voter data again after a federal judge ruled against EPIC and their privacy lawsuit:
http://admin.cdn.sos.ca.gov/press-releases/2017/pdf/letter-from-vice-chair-kris-kobach.pdf
California Secretary of State Alex Padilla has refused the second request.
https://twitter.com/AlexPadilla4CA/status/890615770232668160
Kentucky Secretary of State has refused the second request as well:
https://twitter.com/KySecofState/status/890361774939283458
Main Secretary of State Dunlap (a member on the commission!) won't release the information until the next meeting.
I should mentioned that Dunlap is getting a huge amount of pressure to resign his position as one of the few credible Democrats on the commission. Many feel he is legitimizing the work of a sham commission who's goal is to suppress the vote and stroke Trumps ego.
An important note about the federal ruling against EPIC, the judge made it clear that the request for voter information was PURELY a request and States are not in any way obligated to hand that information over. Something Padilla mentions in his letter and I think many of the States resisting will use to refuse to hand over their records.
http://admin.cdn.sos.ca.gov/press-releases/2017/pdf/letter-from-vice-chair-kris-kobach.pdf
California Secretary of State Alex Padilla has refused the second request.
https://twitter.com/AlexPadilla4CA/status/890615770232668160
Kentucky Secretary of State has refused the second request as well:
https://twitter.com/KySecofState/status/890361774939283458
Main Secretary of State Dunlap (a member on the commission!) won't release the information until the next meeting.
I should mentioned that Dunlap is getting a huge amount of pressure to resign his position as one of the few credible Democrats on the commission. Many feel he is legitimizing the work of a sham commission who's goal is to suppress the vote and stroke Trumps ego.
An important note about the federal ruling against EPIC, the judge made it clear that the request for voter information was PURELY a request and States are not in any way obligated to hand that information over. Something Padilla mentions in his letter and I think many of the States resisting will use to refuse to hand over their records.
I think the Republicans pulled out the "minibus" because they could pass it on their own.
Although you're also only supposed to get one reconciliation per go and the next one's supposed to go to tax reform.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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How can you troll so ineffectively.
That outcome is even funnier than we thought it'd be since it let the people who needed to vote against it do so while letting the people who need to waffle waffle!
BlastProcessing
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metalslimer
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So the fact that the Comms Director violated DOJ rules by talking with the AG about pressing trumped up charges against the Chief of Staff is not as big of a deal as, say, a Hillary Clinton biography?
Lmao, also didn't notice any complaining about how the news media would be wasting time covering it
Anyway I still think when it comes down to it skinny will pass because it's basically their only option left
BlastProcessing
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Electric Eye
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Another L for Trump. The border adjustment tax is dead.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-27/ryan-is-said-to-be-telling-republicans-border-tax-is-dead
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-27/ryan-is-said-to-be-telling-republicans-border-tax-is-dead
metalslimer
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Did that ever even have life?
whyamihere
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Huh.
But yeah, the rest make sense, even King. He's not a Dem, he just caucuses with us.
When did I say any of this.So the fact that the Comms Director violated DOJ rules by talking with the AG about pressing trumped up charges against the Chief of Staff is not as big of a deal as, say, a Hillary Clinton biography?
nature boy
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Genius
The Senate should realize they're the actual sane ones (by comparison) and can't count on the House to not just rubber-stamp it.
Electric Eye
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The implication is that Trumps threats of trade wars with countries like China are now officially toothless. His "deal" making days are done.
Futurevoid
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Entire United States to Sessions: "No shit!"
The biggest bitches Congress and the administration has ever known.
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