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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher
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Basileus777
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Context would be nice.
Mark Andrew
Member
There it is. 90% chance this passes.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That quote is amazing considering what the map I posted says happens to Arizona.
I edited it literally 10 seconds later.
I edited it literally 10 seconds later.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Going to be fun to see all these people saying "WOW LET'S DO THIS, THIS BILL IS AWESOMMMMMEEEE" react when the CBO report comes out with tens of millions without healthcare, with 10+ million of them being before the end of 2017.
Basileus777
Member
After I posted that!
whyamihere
Banned
I think this will happen now.
balladofwindfishes
Member
In millions of dollars, how much each state gains/loses in the Cassidy et al. health care bill:
This has "COMPLETE DISASTER" written all over it.
look at all those swing states
In millions of dollars, how much each state gains/loses in the Cassidy et al. health care bill:
This has "COMPLETE DISASTER" written all over it.
Wow. Only red states gain.
Shocking
FULL ON PASSAGE YA'LL!!!
whyamihere
Banned
Graham-Cassidy seems like an absolute disaster, I can't believe they're actually doing this (though I can), and I 100% think it's happening now.
Um, unless you're a Republican house member from CA or NY.
Um, unless you're a Republican house member from CA or NY.
whyamihere
Banned
Never put your hope in Rand. We've played that game before.
Mark Andrew
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Its objectively worse than the failed Senate bill and violates regular order, but McCain will put it over the edge because his governor told him to.
balladofwindfishes
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Ya'll haven't even let the news cycle judge this bill and you're calling it passed.
Let's wait for a week or two of crushing reports and terrible press, k? This is literally a direct repeat of late June, where everyone was jumping on board, and then WOOPS turns out this bill kills everyone, we never actually supported the bill, we need to go back and redo it.
Let's wait for a week or two of crushing reports and terrible press, k? This is literally a direct repeat of late June, where everyone was jumping on board, and then WOOPS turns out this bill kills everyone, we never actually supported the bill, we need to go back and redo it.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Agreed in that respect. I just find the focus on the red states absolutely crazy.
Is that increase in funding because of their current decisions about health care?
whyamihere
Banned
Yup.
Though the Byrd issues are going to be insane, and I don't know what happens with those.
It's comically absurd.
Though the Byrd issues are going to be insane, and I don't know what happens with those.
It's comically absurd.
whyamihere
Banned
But sure Fred Upton should run for Senate, let's do that guys!!!!
balladofwindfishes
Member
So... where is CA going to come up with 28 billion dollars? Isn't KY pretty poor to find 3 billion out of nowhere?
That's not exactly a small amount of money.
That's not exactly a small amount of money.
NihonTiger90
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Which means residents of 35 states will find their health care options drastically curtailed.
whyamihere
Banned
things are going GREAT
Mark Andrew
Member
And stupidly, swing states are generally fucked by this. I appreciate an electoral advantage, but Id rather not have one because peoples lives are on the line.
Randolph Freelander
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Yeah, it's over. If McCain flips, you know Rand Paul isn't actually going to vote no. That's 50 + Pence.
balladofwindfishes
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So when's the CBO report expected?
Nobody knows. It might, it might not. I personally think once the bad press rolls in, this dies the same way it died the last 45 times.
Giving up just helps the GOP do what they do.
Nobody knows. It might, it might not. I personally think once the bad press rolls in, this dies the same way it died the last 45 times.
Giving up just helps the GOP do what they do.
whyamihere
Banned
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah here is a source - Ducey did back "skinny repeal" but McCain still voted against it
McCain voting for this sounds like a great way for him to piss away what remains of his legacy like a year or two before he dies >_<
McCain voting for this sounds like a great way for him to piss away what remains of his legacy like a year or two before he dies >_<
benicillin
Banned
Which, you know, would be pretty on-brand for McCain.
Randolph Freelander
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They have the votes with McCain. They were going to pass it in July, Pence was in the daggum building, were shocked that McCain voted no. If (when) he flips, it's over, there's nothing that can be done except maybe hope that the HFC is as stupid as they normally are and let perfect (in their minds) be the enemy of good (in standard Republican minds).
Mark Andrew
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Vox also seems to think Rand is a harder no than we do, but Im not so sure.
Fenderputty
Banned
Doesn't it make sense those states benefit? At first glance, it seems like most benefited were states that didn't accept the medicaid expansion.
balladofwindfishes
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What the hell kind of attitude is this? "There's nothing we can do, just roll over and die, it's hopeless"
NEVER
You're just sitting here moping in your own self pity, letting them get to you. Bad guys win when the good guys don't do anything. When they have no hope. Nothing to look forward to.
We aren't even sure McCain is the deciding vote! We don't even know McCain's vote! We have no CBO estimate. The media has barely covered this. We're going on nothing but rumors and hushed whispers. No vote has been scheduled.
Pick your chin up, put your pants on, and get ready for a fight.
Kinda weird to think the state of the American healthcare system lied in the hands of fucking Doug Ducey.
The degree to which this is targeted at punishing blue states and giving money to red states (who, uh, I thought were too proud to accept free money from the federal government?) is so disgustingly blatant I have a hard time finding words for it.
In millions of dollars, how much each state gains/loses in the Cassidy et al. health care bill:
This has "COMPLETE DISASTER" written all over it.
The degree to which this is targeted at punishing blue states and giving money to red states (who, uh, I thought were too proud to accept free money from the federal government?) is so disgustingly blatant I have a hard time finding words for it.
Randolph Freelander
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Sometimes you have to look reality in the face, you know. If they get McCain, they have the votes. They had the votes last time. If they get McCain, it is over. I have no control over what McCain does, he is not my senator.
balladofwindfishes
Member
You want it to be reality, but it isn't. You're letting it become reality by giving up.
benicillin
Banned
You make it sound so easy, as if they haven't tried to force a vote several times now and had it fail.
BUT MCCAIN. HE'S THE LYNCH PIN. HE'S BEEN THE ONLY THING HOLDING THEM BACK FOR MONTHS.
Give some credit to the people actually fighting against this legislation, please. Because they've been putting in the work every time and so far have done a hell of a job.
Chained Prometheus
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Can I just say that I love you right now?
Seriously PoliGAF, we need to keep at it and fight this. No matter how hopeless it might seem or even actually be. This shit isn't over until it's actually over.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
PoliGAF: Obamacare Repeal actually already passed
Well shit, guess I can go back to playing Metal Gear now.
The repeal was in our hearts all along
RumbleHumble
Banned
Has this been set for a vote yet? I'm not sure I'm ready to panic until then. Too many other things to panic about at the moment.
Randolph Freelander
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They had 49 votes without McCain last time, expected McCain to be a yes, and had Mike Pence in the building to cast the tiebreaker. They didn't go to a roll call vote expecting the thing to actually fail, they thought they had it. McCain is, in fact, what held them back in July. He is, in fact, the lynch pin.
Nobody else is going to flip to a no. They would have done so in July when, for all they knew, their vote would have been the only one to stop it. They had that chance, they voted yes. They'll do it again.
balladofwindfishes
Member
No vote scheduled yet. They're deciding what to do this week.
She was undecided for a very long time last time as well. She seems to like to wait and get a feeling for the PR of the bill. Or she's waiting for the report.
They voted last time to kick the bill to the House. None of them actually wanted the bill. This time they're actually looking at a real bill, with real consequences, with nobody else there to "make it better"
At no point has the GOP actually wanted a bill to become law. The House hated their bill, the Senate hated their bill. They'll probably hate this bill too. They want to kick the can to whoever they can to never actually get a law in place, while still voting on a law.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Graham says they need to do it or get "full-blown single-payer socialism."
Ironically, his healthcare bill getting passed would probably be the catalyst to actually getting single-payer in this country.
Ironically, his healthcare bill getting passed would probably be the catalyst to actually getting single-payer in this country.
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