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[Fenderputty]

If they can squeak it in, they should. It would make their tax reform a lot easier.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

What if McCain is saying yes and planning on tanking it again?

They won't vote unless they think he's a yes, so maybe his yes is another feint.

Dickish, but also on-brand for McCain.

 

[whyamihere]

Graham says they need to do it or get "full-blown single-payer socialism."

Ironically, his healthcare bill getting passed would probably be the catalyst to actually getting single-payer in this country.

Yup.

How do they not get this?

 

[Vimes]

What if McCain is saying yes and planning on tanking it again?

They won't vote unless they think he's a yes, so maybe his yes is another feint.

Dickish, but also on-brand for McCain.

What does he gain from doing this though?

Come to think of it, what did he gain from doing it last time? That's been bothering me for months.

 

[Plinko]

What if McCain is saying yes and planning on tanking it again?

They won't vote unless they think he's a yes, so maybe his yes is another feint.

Dickish, but also on-brand for McCain.

I have no doubts McCain would vote for this considering he said he would if the governor was OK.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

What if McCain is saying yes and planning on tanking it again?

They won't vote unless they think he's a yes, so maybe his yes is another feint.

Dickish, but also on-brand for McCain.

The set up isn't there. Last time they voted to hold a vote for a bill that didn't even exist at the time, so there was always a chance of flips, since nobody knew what was coming. This time an actual bill exists to hold a real vote for.

I have no doubts McCain would vote for this considering he said he would if the governor was OK.

Didn't he say that last time?

 

[Blader]

Murkowski says she is "undecided."

Eh, she usually says that until we get closer to the vote. I don't think there's much danger of her voting yes. McCain and Rand are the ones to watch.

They had 49 votes without McCain last time, expected McCain to be a yes, and had Mike Pence in the building to cast the tiebreaker. They didn't go to a roll call vote expecting the thing to actually fail, they thought they had it. McCain is, in fact, what held them back in July. He is, in fact, the lynch pin.

They knew McCain was going to vote no before they held the vote. They might have only learned that day, but McConnell, et al. knew what his decision was before he actually cast his vote. They didn't cancel it because they hoped to use the setting to pressure him into changing his mind on the floor.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

The set up isn't there. Last time they voted to hold a vote for a bill that didn't even exist at the time, so there was always a chance of flips, since nobody know what was coming. This time an actual bill exists to hold a real vote for.



Didn't he say that last time?

I'm sure you're right, but I would find it hilarious if this happened again.

 

[Teggy]

Oh my, have you seen this Dan Helmer (VA Dem) for congress ad?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/CDfhFfKSohc

 

[Brawndo Addict]

Republican incompetence is the only reason we haven't had to deal with any major legislation getting passed. If you took the election results in a vacuum, you would just naturally assume that the immediate consequence would be a large portion of the Republican agenda getting passed into law relatively quickly. I'm not saying Democrats can't do anything to help slow it down, but Republicans are the ones firmly in the driver seat.

That said, Republicans are so divided and dysfunctional that I honestly don't know what to expect anymore.

 

[daedalius]

Are they never going to give this shit up? They just HAVE to take healthcare away from millions of people?

 

[Plinko]

Didn't realize they asked the CBO for a report without coverage losses.

Schumer/Pelosi's letter today makes way more sense now.

 

[Mark Andrew]

Are they never going to give this shit up? They just HAVE to take healthcare away from millions of people?

Republicans will do anything for corporate tax cuts.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Republicans will do anything for corporate tax cuts.

This isn't even about that, this is to make sure a black man's successful legacy is forgotten. It's so blatant. It's always been that reason.

Didn't realize they asked the CBO for a report without coverage losses.

Schumer/Pelosi's letter today makes way more sense now.

lol

Yea, they know the minute the CBO report hits this thing loses all momentum.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

The last two times Democrats have voted with some Republicans to extend the debt ceiling, the first thing that has happened is a push for a HC bill.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Oh my, have you seen this Dan Helmer (VA Dem) for congress ad?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/CDfhFfKSohc

Was gonna post about this. It's pretty great.

 

[Blader]

Are they never going to give this shit up? They just HAVE to take healthcare away from millions of people?

The ACA is never completely safe as long as there are Republican majorities in Congress.

Didn't realize they asked the CBO for a report without coverage losses.

Schumer/Pelosi's letter today makes way more sense now.

Cassidy also said a few days ago that everyone should just ignore the uninsured numbers anyway because they'll be wrong and CBO is bad at estimating those figures anyway.

The extent to which Senate Republicans go to discredit CBO would be hilarious if it weren't also mildly threatening. The argument is also somewhat mind boggling. Are the number crunchers at CBO so thoroughly, fundamentally, fucking awful at their job that their uninsured estimates aren't just off by thousands or even a whole million, but by tens of millions of people? How can anyone be expected to buy that?

 

[daedalius]

Didn't realize they asked the CBO for a report without coverage losses.

Schumer/Pelosi's letter today makes way more sense now.

Is this allowed? Doesn't this have to be reported?

Hopefully the CBO is going to report losses anyway, despite those republican fucks

 

[Fenderputty]

Didn't realize they asked the CBO for a report without coverage losses.

Schumer/Pelosi's letter today makes way more sense now.

Weren't they shitting on the CBO score stating they disagree the loss of the mandate would result in people dropping out of insurance?

 

[AntraxSuicide]

What does he gain from doing this though?

Come to think of it, what did he gain from doing it last time? That's been bothering me for months.

They also voted on some Armed Forces stuff that he wanted. If he didn't show up, then they might not have passed that stuff or done it as quickly.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Oh my, have you seen this Dan Helmer (VA Dem) for congress ad?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/CDfhFfKSohc

Wait, his opponent's name is comstock. Where is the biohshock infinite parody!

 

[RustyNails]

The ACA is never completely safe as long as there are Republican majorities in Congress.



Cassidy also said a few days ago that everyone should just ignore the uninsured numbers anyway because they'll be wrong and CBO is bad at estimating those figures anyway.

The extent to which Senate Republicans go to discredit CBO would be hilarious if it weren't also mildly threatening. The argument is also somewhat mind boggling. Are the number crunchers at CBO so thoroughly, fundamentally, fucking awful at their job that their uninsured estimates aren't just off by thousands or even a whole million, but by tens of millions of people? How can anyone be expected to buy that?

If you tell a group of people that government is bad/evil, they will have no trouble believing this.

 

[RustyNails]

Good luck blaming Obama for the 20% spike in premiums.

They will time it in such a way that it probably wont take full effect until 2021.

 

[Kusagari]

After the skinny repeal, there is zero reason to believe anyone will vote no that didn't last time. We learned last time that Rand just likes to hear himself speak.

It comes down to McCain again and he already laid down the waffle with him saying he might back it if Ducey does.

 

[hipsterpants]

Is the goal of the GOP to turn the younger generation into a bunch of socialists?

 

[Wilsongt]

Is the goal of the GOP to turn the younger generation into a bunch of socialists?

How can they be socialist when they'll all be broke and the government will be broke because we live in a tax free utopia?

 

[VendettaRed07]

Is the goal of the GOP to turn the younger generation into a bunch of socialists?

Its to do whatever they want and challenge voters to punish them for it

It's been working in their favor so far.

If so many people still believe despite all that has happened that the republican majority in the house and senate are still safe then why not go through with this.

 

[skullmuffins]

Pretty useful analysis! I would say it's unbelievable what they're trying to do here, but no, Republicans are really just that bad.

 

[Plinko]

Pretty useful analysis! I would say it's unbelievable what they're trying to do here, but no, Republicans are really just that bad.

WOW. McCain is a colossal hypocrite if he votes for this.

 

[RumbleHumble]

WOW. McCain is a colossal hypocrite if he votes for this.

McCain gonna McCain.

Honestly, I'd trust Rand and his theatrical bullshit before trusting McCain here. Remember August? When we briefly didn't have to worry about the Republican party trying to quash our healthcare? That was a good month.

 

[Effect]

WOW. McCain is a colossal hypocrite if he votes for this.

Meaning he's going to vote for it because he is a hypocrite. Him going off script in a rare occasion doesn't change that.

 

[Kevinroc]

Pretty useful analysis! I would say it's unbelievable what they're trying to do here, but no, Republicans are really just that bad.

Republicans are never going to score anything ever again.

 

[Blader]

Isn't knowing the bill's effect on the deficit necessary information for passing it through reconciliation?

 

[daedalius]

McCain gonna McCain.

Honestly, I'd trust Rand and his theatrical bullshit before trusting McCain here. Remember August? When we briefly didn't have to worry about the Republican party trying to quash our healthcare? That was a good month.

Geez it really was; you could actually look away from the trainwreck of our government for a little while... to watch devastating hurricanes...

fuck

 

[Tamanon]

To be fair, McCain did say he "may" vote yes if the Governor OKs it.

I think we'll be fine, personally, but my track record hasn't been amazing.

 

[whyamihere]

okay???

@JStein_Vox
McCain sounds very much like a no on TrumpCare, calls for markups, amendments, debate in scrum. "I'm not supportive of the bill yet."

@eschor
McCain tells reporters he's not there yet on Cassidy-Graham, wants hearings/markup - which Johnson's cmte can't do, lacking jurisdiction.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Pence is pushing for the bill, but they're keeping Trump away from it.

The White House is also making a push for the bill, an administration official told CNN. A source told CNN that efforts are already underway although there are no plans to call in President Donald Trump to make a full-fledged lobbying effort just yet. Last week, Graham told reporters that Vice President Mike Pence had spent considerable time reaching out to Republican governors to try to gain their support and buoy the effort.

I smell a chance for Chuck and Nancy to try some stuff.

okay???

Makes sense now with this new CNN story, where the GOP thinks they have 47-48, even post Arizona governor's statement. Which is actually one less than their previous estimate of 48-49.

This isn't as ready to be passed as you guys think it is.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Good news if McCain holds firm. I like being wrong.

 

[dramatis]

As Federal Government Cuts Obamacare Ads, Private Insurer Steps Up

On Monday morning, commuters in New York City were met with posters blanketing the subway system that showed actual Oscar customers touting the benefits of having insurance coverage.

One poster shows a pregnant woman holding her belly with a bandage on it that says "we're covered."

Oscar Vice President Sara Rowghani says the company is stepping up in part because the government is pulling back.

"Particularly in this year of uncertainty, it's really important for us to be in market early and and reassure the 22 million folks that are insured that it is really important to get covered," she tells Shots.

The company declined to say how much it's spending on the ads, but did say it's a multi-million dollar campaign. It will run in the six states where Oscar does business, and will be on TV, radio and in subways and buses. That includes in New York state, where open enrollment runs from Nov. 1 through Jan. 31, 2018.

But advertising from private insurers won't be able to match the power of the advertising in years past by the federal government, says Lori Lodes, who ran outreach for the Affordable Care Act during the Obama administration as director of Communications for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

"The reality is there's only so much that issuers and advocates and other folks can do from the outside, because the government, historically, has been a very trusted messenger," she says.

Things have gotten a little weird

 

[whyamihere]

the hand of the market

 

[Aaron Strife]

Then: "We have 49 votes!"

Now: "We only have like 47-48 votes"

Two weeks from now: "We only had like 5 votes"

 

[Atenhaus]

wtf

I haven't poked my head into the thread in 12 hours and everyone is turning into fatalistic worrywarts from the onset of the bill's coverage?

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

feels kind of weird that between McCain being the vote blocking the last one and him being buddy-buddy with Graham that they didn't just get him on board so this could pass with 50 votes

but what do I know

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Whose the fifth no, bringing them to 47?

Collins, Murkowski, Paul, McCain, ???

 

[Aaron Strife]

Whose the fifth no, bringing them to 47?

Collins, Murkowski, Paul, McCain, ???

Capito said she's undecided.

Which means absolute jack shit.

 

[Vimes]

https://twitter.com/Alexruoff/status/909870994608836609

McCain against Graham-Cassidy now. Reiterated his need for regular order: "it's about process,"

He said "regular order" three times when asked about his support. Says he wants months of hearings and debate and options for amendments.

Then: "We have 49 votes!"

Now: "We only have like 47-48 votes"

Two weeks from now: "We only had like 5 votes"

 

[sc0la]

turning into fatalistic worrywarts

Turning into??

Good sir we have always been such.

 

[Deuce Deuce]

https://twitter.com/Alexruoff/status/909870994608836609

Good god. Not this waffling ACA repeal shit again.

Arizona, New Mexico, Arkansas, and Maine are fucked according to the BI map. What's there for Republicans to discuss?

Also, gj PA, OH, and MI.

 

[AndyD]

In millions of dollars, how much each state gains/loses in the Cassidy et al. health care bill:

This has "COMPLETE DISASTER" written all over it.

Realistically, isn't most of the "gap" because they did not expand Medicaid? So those states pay out more than comes in. If they choose to expand instead, they would also start receiving money, so the deficit narrows substantially.

 

[Plinko]

https://twitter.com/Alexruoff/status/909870994608836609

Someone on Twitter was saying the GOP Senator meetings tomorrow are basically a disguise for this and to "fool" McCain into thinking the process was formal, even though they aren't done in front of a committee with any power.