BlastProcessing
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CNN wants you to watch and complain about CNN. They want people to hate watch and they want people to talk about them on social media. If you really want to discourage them, stop interacting with them and talking about them.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher
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CNN wants you to watch and complain about CNN. They want people to hate watch and they want people to talk about them on social media. If you really want to discourage them, stop interacting with them and talking about them.
That's my point as well. The congressional/Senate GOP is already about as bad as it can get, the difference is mostly tone and better political instincts. In terms of votes you weren't going to get a damn thing different between Moore and Strange, but Moore is more likely to fuck up things for his own team and is an easier candidate to beat in the general.
It's just playing with fire when a Democratic incumbent does this.
AntraxSuicide
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Never forget the Tea Party was not an insurgent movement, but a highly supported one backed by the entire establishment GOP.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I see a lot of swing states now under 50%.
VendettaRed07
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It doesnt really matter what you believe is delusional or not. It matters what makes sense to would be republican midterm voters
Ask anyone them what they think of Graham and McCain and others. It doesnt matter that they and other supposed moderates have actually done. They are fake liberals who buy in to the fake news CNN soros funded stories and have sabotaged Trump and his agenda. Some of the stuff that Lindsay and others have said about Trump might be empty meaningless talk to you, but to them its borderline treasonous. They dont want Republicans who appeal to liberals by dissing Trump. They dont care if their votes dont always match their talk they want them to completely support him and defend him because they dont think hes wrong.
What would be dumb, IMO, is to give these people conservative options who will say Rinos in congress and their disrespect of our fairly elected president has been disgraceful. I will fully support President trump and his agenda, because that actually gives them something to vote for, where as I have zero clue what an establishment GOPer in this midterm will even be able to run on.
The GOP base is absolutely fuming with the Graham, Ryan types right now. Ryans approval numbers are WAY lower than Trumps. They need to focus on that and his approval ratings instead. They best way to make turnout for them worse in the mid terms is making sure there are as many of those guys as possible. Not less.
BoogieWoogie
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Now if we can get Democrats to vote with the ironclad resolution of Republicans, we might get somewhere.
whyamihere
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Even non swing states.
Didn't realize the map had a slide-bar at first. I was like "How the fuck is the map still this green?"
Aaron Strife
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I mentioned it earlier.
States where Trump is above 50% disapproval
Arizona
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Hawaii
Iowa
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Washington, D.C.
Wisconsin
States where Trump is underwater in approval
North Carolina
Ohio
States where Trumps approval is under 50%, but higher than disapproval
Florida
Georgia
Indiana
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Biden is coming to Virginia on Saturday to campaign for Northam
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017...On-Saturday-To-Rile-Up-The-Base-For-Northam-D
States where Trump is above 50% disapproval
Arizona
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Hawaii
Iowa
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Washington, D.C.
Wisconsin
States where Trump is underwater in approval
North Carolina
Ohio
States where Trumps approval is under 50%, but higher than disapproval
Florida
Georgia
Indiana
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
And yet in many of these states, there are more than enough swing voters to overcome any boost in GOP turnout (which is likely to be small - didnt help Buck, ODonnell or Angle in GOP wave years!). And a Democrat is always preferable to a Republican.
Biden is coming to Virginia on Saturday to campaign for Northam
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017...On-Saturday-To-Rile-Up-The-Base-For-Northam-D
MetalGearZed
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Am I correct in that the only response Trump gave on Vegas was that sole "warmest condolences" tweet?
TIL thar Kissenger is still alive. maybe i got him comfused with Agnew for some reason
TIL thar Kissenger is still alive. maybe i got him comfused with Agnew for some reason
I mean, Gillespie beat Stewart, and we got all the race-bait shit anyway, so is there actually a meaningful difference?
They nominate Stewart, their base is happier, swings are likely not. They nominated Gillesspie, the inverse. Internally, it's a catch-22 (kinda like the 2016 D primaries, except instead of Clinton half-heartedly decrying the TPP, we have Gillespiie half-heartedly trying to make Northam out to be a MS16 member)
They nominate Stewart, their base is happier, swings are likely not. They nominated Gillesspie, the inverse. Internally, it's a catch-22 (kinda like the 2016 D primaries, except instead of Clinton half-heartedly decrying the TPP, we have Gillespiie half-heartedly trying to make Northam out to be a MS16 member)
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
If Tillerson gets replaced by Bolton, do you view that as an upgrade, downgrade, or pretty much no difference?
Goodbye, talking point!
They'll either ignore it or say it's all talk unless she gives away the money he's donated
BoogieWoogie
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Goodbye, talking point!
"WHY WON'T HILLARY GO AWAY!?!?!"
Bolton is a fucking nightmare. As shitty as Tillerson is, Bolton would be about as much of a downgrade as you could possibly get unless he beat out Steve Miller, Bannon, or David Clarke for the position.
There'll be a lot of "But your husbaaaaaaaaand"
Cracked up at this:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/10/clintin-warns-kamala-harris-elizabeth-warren-243616
Downgrade, because Bolton will want to nuke Iran and Trump will let him.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/10/clintin-warns-kamala-harris-elizabeth-warren-243616
Downgrade, because Bolton will want to nuke Iran and Trump will let him.
VendettaRed07
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Downgrade. Despite me thinking Rex was one of the worst appointments initially, hes probably been one of the better ones so far. Low bars and all that. But still, hes not making things actively worse from what I can tell so I want him to stay
Tillerson is making things worse, just in a quieter way. His dismantling of the State Department is going to profound repercussions for years to come. Bolton's way of making things worse would just be more immediate and drastic.
RustyNails
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Nope. The new talking I heard is "why did it take 5 days for Hillary to denounce Weinstein??"
Goodbye, talking point!
RustyNails
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Its a catastrophe if Bolton gets it. He is a raving lunatic and will egg on Trump.
Rex is a typical garbage republican but he has a brain. These clowns dont.
Ignatz Mouse
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Why hasn't the GOP renounced Trump *yet*?
Bolton would probably respect the institution of state even if he'd be more dangerous personally.
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Lord_Byron28
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She's not even the president and she's put under more scrutiny than him.
whyamihere
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lol Florida
Futurevoid
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Don't know if it was posted or no but:
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
This is totally true and its such bullshit.
VendettaRed07
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I just think its wrong to look at the history of wave elections as a likely indicator. Using history to predict turnout is exactly why much of the polling prior to the election was wrong. Trump changes the map.
Yes there theoretically are enough swing voters to overcome a still energized base but its playing a risky game, considering how much of an advantage Trump has given the power of rural distribution in the house and senate.
Weve also never had a president like Trump before. Weve never had a presidency like this one before. Or a base that has stuck with a guy through as much as he has been through. Im not convinced turnout will be down, extremism of GOP nominees will be a turnoff, and democrats will capitalize on both those factors.
Really I think the safer option is to target the failure of Ryan and the establishment GOP. Targeting extremism and not accounting for what could be unusually high party wave turnout is potentially a terrible idea. Because I dont think anyone should rule out that rural turnout will be higher than what anyone could predict again, especially if the democratic strategy is to apparently hand republican voters who are turned on by extremists out.
They have single party control but many loyal republicans feel like they are being cheated out of it or arent getting what they wanted or were promised. I think this is different from most waves because the voters are likely going to blame the rinos rather than the president because he can do no wrong.
Id like to target swing voters but avoiding giving Trump loyalists options with things to run on has to be part of the strategy too. To me enabling extrism is just as bad of an idea as making a pied piper out of trump in 2016 rather than just tying him to typical republicans was. Its a bit tone deaf and isnt reading the room on what the would be voters would be turned on or off by.
Ryans approvals are a full 13 points lower than Trumps. So is McConnell. Theres more to work with by targeting that than enabling more Trumpism in what I think are completely untested political waters
whyamihere
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She's running.
Aaron Strife
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The key ingredient youre missing - Moore was not Trumps candidate. We saw what good a Trump endorsement did in one of his best states. Im not nearly as convinced as you are that Trump telling his base how to vote is the magic ticket to boost GOP turnout.
Just because Trump himself is unprecedented (in some ways) doesnt mean all precedence gets thrown out the window.
Just because Trump himself is unprecedented (in some ways) doesnt mean all precedence gets thrown out the window.
Aaron Strife
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Same reason why we cant appeal to white working class and minorities at the same time OBVIOUSLY
God, Trump is so fucking dumb, he doesn't even know that there's no such thing as valid/accurate "IQ" tests, and that they don't actually measure intelligence.
Without the former, the latter doesn't actually have a viable political base.
AntraxSuicide
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Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I would argue that at this time both are so intertwined it is impossible to separate them.
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Your barber tell you this?
VendettaRed07
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Moore wasnt Trumps candidate himself, but Id say Moore is more appealing to people who do like Trump and still support him than the other guy was.
Agreed I dont think all precedent will be thrown out the window, but approaching the midterms like previous ones like nothing is different isnt a good idea. Dems need to be really smart about how they approach this and be more in tune with what their opposition likes or dislikes. Or what constitutes as a weak candidate.
platypotamus
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Before I get excited about your prediction, are you actually relaying your prediction from your barber?
nature boy
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Fucking hell, Chris Cillizza is fucking trash:
Correct, but the latter is utterly powerless without the former. They're riding onto the bucking animal for dear life. But this also means that the biggest enemy actually is white rural America.
Duh, all the "Media Reporter beat" guys from the post have turned out to be closet conservatives. It turns out viewing politics as purely a sport tends to correllate strongly with that POV.
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