I've been wondering lately what the political effect of Amazon choosing a marginal red state for HQ2 might have on the state's political leaning, if say they choose Atlanta, Phoenix, Philadelphia, Miami, or somewhere in North Carolina's research triangle. Maybe not much will change immediately, but could it spur enough growth for those cities to overpower the rural areas over time?
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Pretty much.
wtf is this idiocy?
Do they really think this is winning? Adults lying on the ground in diapers with pacifiers?
The areas they would pick in NC at least would already be pretty solidly blue. Might move the population a little bit, but not that much.
The fact that this discussion is happening in a vacuum, as some sort of net positive, without acknowledging what Amazon, in fact is, is shocking.
Amazon not a net good. I understand the discussions around an HQ will happen regardless, but when I see these cities stumbling over themselves to subsidize this office space, I'm fairly convince our economic system is pretty much fucked. There's no fixing the corporate consolidation train we're on.
You know as well as I do that this doesnt actually make any sense without a bright line definition of socialism that doesnt exist except in kirblars nightmares
Ignatz Mouse
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Seeing as how people like to stir shit, I'd want this to be substantiated and context given. Not saying you are stirring shit, but whoever framed it that way may well have been.
We're working on it!
I mean I do think the odds are pretty high it was a power grab of sorts. But that shouldnt be relevant if you think everybody at the DNC is corrupt and terrible anyway.
Also, uh, if its a power grab wouldnt you expect Ellison to respond?
The Vanity Fair piece on it makes it seem that way.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/tom-perez-dnc-shake-up
From that piece: The pack of new delegates includes Joanne Dowdell, a registered lobbyist for Fox News parent company News Corp; Harold Ickes, a veteran of the Clinton White House; and Manuel Ortiz, a lobbyist for CITGO Petroleum Corp and Puerto Rican interests.
Bonen no Max'd
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The goal of democratic socialism is to use democratic means (popular movements and electoralism) to democratize and bring into ownership the mean of production to the public.
The old social democratic left were pretty clear about how they were going to do this: taxing the wealthy to fund public services while nationalizing industries. Eventually they gave up on that but anti-capitalism and socialism don't only take the form of Marxist-Leninism
That's because w/ retail services, the gains from consolidation are immense. Having access to large distribution networks, metrics, etc. leads to massive gains in efficiency that are incredibly difficult for independent retailers to compete with.
Amazon is a net positive. Improving accessibility and lowering the cost of goods to consumers is good! Consumer goods prices have been falling for a very long time. They're not where we have fundamental issues in our economy. (Those sectors would be education, healthcare, and housing.)
Futurevoid
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Hamas totally went to Jared! (or how Middle East peace is going swimmingly!)
Call me paranoid but the number of bizarre hot takes and weird posts from 2012 accounts with 0.07 posts per day is now crazy.
The FBI/Uranium thread is comical.
I also saw a thread this morning that got IMMEDIATELY nuked from orbit before a single response, that was a deliberate and elaborate hatchet job on Evilore. Not sure if there was an y validity to it but it feels like gaf is a honeypot for troll farms with a seemingly endless supply of alt and abandoned accounts.
Not sure how you police something like that.
The FBI/Uranium thread is comical.
I also saw a thread this morning that got IMMEDIATELY nuked from orbit before a single response, that was a deliberate and elaborate hatchet job on Evilore. Not sure if there was an y validity to it but it feels like gaf is a honeypot for troll farms with a seemingly endless supply of alt and abandoned accounts.
Not sure how you police something like that.
I work in PE. I completely understand the efficiencies of scale / consolidation at play here.
Why do we give a fuck? You're literally making the argument for WalMart from the right. We're going to have to reckon with this in the next 50 years, and you can't see what's happening right in front of your face.
This completely overlooks the extremely shitty labor practices that they employ.
This is the most Kirblar post of all time by the way.
Bonen no Max'd
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/356176-longtime-dnc-officials-ousted-in-shakeup
tired: antitrust and forced competition
wired: just nationalize it
Greigor The Fellhand
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lots of accounts like this becoming active on reddit r/poltics again, mods over there are struggling
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I feel like Creating a shadow ban system that, once you identify an account as hostile, it gets shadowbanned. Where the user and that IP see those comments, and other shadow banned users see those comments but the white listed accounts dont. =/
Ignatz Mouse
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I'm primarily reacting to the vagueness of it all. The original statement was one that could be construed that way, but I'd want numbers to know for sure. How many people were purged, and how many of them clearly Ellison supporters?
With a big shake-up like that it's very easy to spin it one way or another. And everybody likes stoking a fight between factions of the Democrats, inside and outside the party.
[Also, I also don't see the DNC as particularly ideological in nature, so it doesn't matter that much.]
With a big shake-up like that it's very easy to spin it one way or another. And everybody likes stoking a fight between factions of the Democrats, inside and outside the party.
[Also, I also don't see the DNC as particularly ideological in nature, so it doesn't matter that much.]
I feel like you are literally making my point for me here.
Saying "liberals believe in capitalism, leftists believe in socialism" is utterly meaningless without a clear definition of what it means to "believe in socialism." Nearly everybody you would describe as "liberal" supports the expansion of social programs in America so that the government performs more wealth transfers from the rich and middle-class to the poor. Is that "believing in socialism?"
Where's the cutoff line that demarcates a socialist system from a capitalist one? If we give everybody a basic income but leave markets in place, is that socialist? If we create a government index fund that owns all stock in all private companies and the government invests tax receipts in it, is that socialist? Literally the Great Schism was founded on more explicit points of theological difference than this divide.
I actually agree with this post. There were definitely a few high-profile Ellison supporters ousted, but the rest of the reporting is unclear.
Some of the new additions are eye-brow raising though.
The r/gaybros subreddit just blanket banned Trump posts after getting 150 of them in a day.
Its not clear what it means (or how much it really matters?), but the Ellison supporters ousted clearly think it was a power play (and gave quotes to that effect). Not sure we know more.
My personal opinion on the matter is that if you believe in collective ownership of the MoP, whatever form that takes, you're a socialist. If you believe in private control of the MoP, you're not. So if you believe in reformism and trying to slowly get to socialism through social democracy you're socialist. If you believe in social democracy as an end goal where the government rigorously enforces regulations and taxes but the MoP are still privately owned, you're not.
There are just a lot of different approaches to socialism and to getting there, just like with "democracy".
If they are a junior I always check the profile.
Bonen no Max'd
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This seems like a faulty axiom, the only thing saving Social Security is the election of Republicans and Bill Clinton's dick, a Democratic president ran on and signed into law the largest cut in welfare spending, and the primary goal of Obama's education agenda being privatization. Hillary just wrote in her book that her husband's austerity measures made her proud to be a Democrat!
This is officially the dumbest controversy.
Now I wonder why that would be...
General Kelly, if trump likes the soldiers who dont get captured, does he like the ones that get ambushed or are you still giving trump cover for everything like lying about what he said on the phone and lying about how former presidents handled things because you did a great job attacking the congresswoman.
I was wrong. This is the most Kirblar post.
What do you do when those corporations have outsized influence? There's so much wrong with this post that holy shit.
Trump treating the families of deceased servicepersons like shit because they're not white is not "the dumbest controversy"!
Yes.
They were pretty mean to Trump.
See, this is a much more interesting socialism vs liberalism discussion.
If these large corporations have so much political influence that its impossible to tax them and use the money for transfer payments, how exactly do you expect to get the political control necessary to prohibit them or break them up?
balladofwindfishes
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BlastProcessing
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In the context of Kelly's other statements, that seems to be what he is doing. Kelly seems to be arguing that the most respectful thing to do in regards to Gold Star families, is to completely ignore them.
aspiegamer
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Poor Kelly (but not really). Son got thrown out there as a political talking point and he's out on national TV explaining how mad he is that someone else said something even vaguely political about war dead. He's not denying any of the damning content, of course (because it totally happened), he's just mad a third party was on the call to hear it.
Not going to question if he personally was surprised the call was criticized, however.
Not going to question if he personally was surprised the call was criticized, however.
Literally haven't said half the things in this post?
KirbYuuYuu
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Don't be surprised when you stand in shit, you'll also catch it's scent
whyamihere
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Wilson is a friend of the family
the Sargent General who put the phone on speaker
it was Trump who disrespected the Gold Star wife
AND YET KELLY IS UP THERE USING HIS SON AS A PROP TO BASH WILSON ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
the Sargent General who put the phone on speaker
it was Trump who disrespected the Gold Star wife
AND YET KELLY IS UP THERE USING HIS SON AS A PROP TO BASH WILSON ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
This I agree with (and is the consensus.) Private property.
IMO the line is a pretty bright one actually.
Autodidact
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I'm saying I have not.
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