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[studyguy]

I hear next week GOP are offering a public option, hosting galas for disaffected minority youth too - Alternate 2017 Earth

 

[sphagnum]

I'll broadly agree with this, and I do think that some parts of leftists movements get too hung up on labor specifically as having some sort of virtue. Labor is a means to an end, and we live in a time of plenty where we should be able to just give a lot of people the ends

The point of the focus on labor is that it can leverage its power to take control. The over-glorification of work as if the working class life is some sort of ideal is workerism, which Lenin railed against.

Not the same thing as the other workerism/operaismo.

 

[Amibguous Cad]

About as useful as talking about the GOP making a constiutional amendment

I seem to have stepped in something I didn't mean to.

For the record, I don't think that a convention, or a constitutional amendment passed on party lines, is likely. You need 2/3rds of the Senate and House, too, and maintaining party discipline over 30-some legislatures is nearly impossible. I was only using the 2/3rds threshold that constitutional amendments have to pass to illustrate how badly democrats have been beaten at the ballot box over the last decade, as a point in favor of shaking up the DNC leadership.

 

[Fenderputty]

Agreed. Hard to say if "lol you flip flopped" matters anymore.

Depends on if people are going to run on the deficit / debt / fiscal conservatism in 2018. Could be used to point out the hypocrisy. Though when has that mattered? Most republicans I know happily understand yet mentally dance around Clinton being the only POTUS to lower the debt. (if they only knew I'm not particularly happy he did lol). I suppose it's the only thing that really makes sense. No republican was going to vote for this hamstringing their tax breaks. So no potential anchor was ever in play.

 

[Dan]

In the context of Kelly's other statements, that seems to be what he is doing. Kelly seems to be arguing that the most respectful thing to do in regards to Gold Star families, is to completely ignore them.

I don't think he's saying that. He seems to be suggesting, however, that Gold Star families should 'know their place' and be silent.

 

[ShOcKwAvE]

Has Trump said anything about the CA fires?

 

[The Technomancer]

The point of the focus on labor is that it can leverage its power to take control. The over-glorification of work as if the working class life is some sort of ideal is workerism, which Lenin railed against.

Not the same thing as the other workerism/operaismo.

Yeah I'm mostly talking about some flavors of anarchism I think, where labor and community engagement are practically synonymous. State socialists tend to focus more on wealth

 

[kirblar]

Depends on if people are going to run on the deficit / debt / fiscal conservatism in 2018. Could be used to point out the hypocrisy. Though when has that mattered? Most republicans I know happily understand yet mentally dance around Clinton being the only POTUS to lower the debt. (if they only knew I'm not particularly happy he did lol). I suppose it's the only thing that really makes sense. No republican was going to vote for this hamstringing their tax breaks. So no potential anchor was ever in play.

Dems have become the party of fiscal responsibility as a default. The Keynesian "don't run up the credit card during good times, save it for a recession" approach is the CW now, and that's fine.

The point of the focus on labor is that it can leverage its power to take control. The over-glorification of work as if the working class life is some sort of ideal is workerism, which Lenin railed against.

Not the same thing as the other workerism/operaismo.

That's the thing about control- would "labor" actually do a good job running things? Would you not just get a lot of people looking for "workerism"?

Like, I am not an entrepeneurial-minded person at all I don't have that insecurity or drive to expand. But it's good that there are people that do! And I wouldn't want them shackled to collective decision-making.

 

[SerAardvark]

Has Trump said anything about the CA fires?

He's made a few remarks (and finally tweeted about it yesterday) but isn't planning on visiting which is probably for the best. Definitely not very engaged with the situation, though (or at least doesn't give the impression of being engaged).

 

[BoboBrazil]

Has Trump said anything about the CA fires?

Democratic states don't get responses.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I thought Sanders was supposed to have a better presence on social media but I checked the tax debate hashtag yesterday on twitter to see what was going on and it was filled with a bunch of MAGA accounts talking about how Sanders is a dirty socialist and we're gonna turn into Venezuela.

I don't get it.

 

[nature boy]

He's made a few remarks (and finally tweeted about it yesterday) but isn't planning on visiting which is probably for the best. Definitely not very engaged with the situation, though (or at least doesn't give the impression of being engaged).

He (or Scumvino) tweeted. SO IMPORTANT

 

[BlastProcessing]

@Philip_Elliott
Worth noting: the White House Chief of Staff is confirming what the Press Secretary yesterday, at the same podium, said didn't happen.

 

[Wilsongt]

Time to throw Pompeo out.

I await his Russian connection to pop up.

 

[Fenderputty]

Dems have become the party of fiscal responsibility as a default. The Keynesian "don't run up the credit card during good times, save it for a recession" approach is the CW now, and that's fine.

CW = Conventional Wisdom???

 

[kirblar]

CW = Conventional Wisdom???

Yes, not the network full of good looking people.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Time to throw Pompeo out.

I await his Russian connection to pop up.

This is what hysteria looks like. Where everyone who does anything that is politically cynical must be doing it because they owe 50 million dollars to Russia.

Isn't it infinitely more likely that he's just a political appointee doing the bidding of the person who gave him the job?

 

[kirblar]

This is what hysteria looks like. Where everyone who does anything that is politically cynical must be doing it because they owe 50 million dollars to Russia.

Especially when there's a far simpler answer (his boss)

 

[Y2Kev]

Kelly going straight to hell.

 

[AndyD]

Meanwhile...

https://twitter.com/jenhab/status/921083122376114177


Chugging along.

I wonder if this can become a trend on moderate fixes to ACA.

 

[kirblar]

I wonder if this can become a trend on moderate fixes to ACA.

I doubt it, because the pressures on this one are pretty unique.

But the more we can get fixed now, the less we have to do later.

 

[Poodlestrike]

The thing about corporate consolidation is less about political influence and more about economic. Monopolies are super efficient in theory, but in practice the lack of incentive to invest in infrastructure and cut costs/improve services does drag things down a lot. Amazon makes things cheaper now but give it a couple decades and when they're the only game in town in fact rather than just in hype and I doubt it'll be nearly as true.

The ideal loop is probably break up giant corps -> allow to reform -> break them up again when efficiency stops dropping, tbh.

 

[kirblar]

The thing about corporate consolidation is less about political influence and more about economic. Monopolies are super efficient in theory, but in practice the lack of incentive to invest in infrastructure and cut costs/improve services does drag things down a lot. Amazon makes things cheaper now but give it a couple decades and when they're the only game in town in fact rather than just in hype and I doubt it'll be nearly as true.

The ideal loop is probably break up giant corps -> allow to reform -> break them up again when efficiency stops dropping, tbh.

They're not the only game in town though. If that starts happening, we'll have a problem, but that problem isn't happening yet.

 

[Hindl]

I thought Sanders was supposed to have a better presence on social media but I checked the tax debate hashtag yesterday on twitter to see what was going on and it was filled with a bunch of MAGA accounts talking about how Sanders is a dirty socialist and we're gonna turn into Venezuela.

I don't get it.

Anecdotes and whatnot, but I have a lot of FB friends that are in all those Sanders pages, including the official ones, and it seems like they're focused on responding to whatever the current controversy is. I didn't see anything about the debate either and you're just now making me realize how weird that is. Even Sanders' facebook page only has a single clip of the debate and then an article where an economist debunks Cruz' claims

 

[kirblar]

Anecdotes and whatnot, but I have a lot of FB friends that are in all those Sanders pages, including the official ones, and it seems like they're focused on responding to whatever the current controversy is. I didn't see anything about the debate either and you're just now making me realize how weird that is. Even Sanders' facebook page only has a single clip of the debate and then an article where an economist debunks Cruz' claims

This one didn't get hyped up, probably because the GOP hasn't actually presented an actual tax plan yet.

 

[Fenderputty]

I doubt it, because the pressures on this one are pretty unique.

But the more we can get fixed now, the less we have to do later.

Take the house in 2018 and there's no real repeal talk and only fix talk from the left, making this two year relief bill a worse ticking time bomb.

 

[RustyNails]

So Kelly turned out to be a milkshake duck of the highest magnitude.

 

[KingV]

I love that Kelly’s defense of Trump is yet another example of “Actually, he was trying to do the right thing but he is too dumb and incompetent so he fucked it up.”

This is like the running excuse for Trump. “Oh, he was trying to say this much better sounding thing, but like he is a shitty person/has Alzheimer’s/is a general idiot, so instead he said this similar, but very offensive thing.”

Edit: and it should be obvious about Kelly being a piece of shit, remember when he was saying the immigration enforcement wouldn’t be questioned?

 

[Hindl]

This one didn't get hyped up, probably because the GOP hasn't actually presented an actual tax plan yet.

But you'd at least think Sanders' official FB page would've hyped up a debate including him right?

 

[Tranqueris]

Has Trump said anything about the CA fires?

I think Pence came over and there was talk about authorizing funds for the emergency?

 

[Poodlestrike]

They're not the only game in town though. If that starts happening, we'll have a problem, but that problem isn't happening yet.

Well, yes. That's why I said "give it a couple decades."

 

[Surfinn]

I love that Kelly’s defense of Trump is yet another example of “Actually, he was trying to do the right thing but he is too dumb and incompetent so he fucked it up.”

This is like the running excuse for Trump. “Oh, he was trying to say this much better sounding thing, but like he is a shitty person/has Alzheimer’s/is a general idiot, so instead he said this similar, but very offensive thing.”

Edit: and it should be obvious about Kelly being a piece of shit, remember when he was saying the immigration enforcement wouldn’t be questioned?

Once his second term starts:

"He's new to this, he's only been in office for 4 years, give him a break, he's really a business man"

 

[sphagnum]

That's the thing about control- would "labor" actually do a good job running things? Would you not just get a lot of people looking for "workerism"?

Like, I am not an entrepeneurial-minded person at all I don't have that insecurity or drive to expand. But it's good that there are people that do! And I wouldn't want them shackled to collective decision-making.

Those people will still be around. They'll just have to be answerable to the workers instead of exploiting them.

 

[kirblar]

Those people will still be around. They'll just have to be answerable to the workers instead of exploiting them.

Paying someone for their time isn't exploitation! It's a trade!

 

[pigeon]

The thing about corporate consolidation is less about political influence and more about economic. Monopolies are super efficient in theory, but in practice the lack of incentive to invest in infrastructure and cut costs/improve services does drag things down a lot. Amazon makes things cheaper now but give it a couple decades and when they're the only game in town in fact rather than just in hype and I doubt it'll be nearly as true.

The ideal loop is probably break up giant corps -> allow to reform -> break them up again when efficiency stops dropping, tbh.

Yeah, I forgot to mention that the market power explanation for the economic failure we're experiencing is actually pretty compelling and maybe we need to break up the big techs anyway.

Paying someone for their time isn't exploitation! It's a trade!

Depends on their alternative. Although I know you support basic income.

 

[studyguy]

I wonder if this can become a trend on moderate fixes to ACA.

No it's just straight booting the can to 2019 at most.
They'll likely dig right back in post midterms though.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

So Kelly turned out to be a milkshake duck of the highest magnitude.

Kelly was never good

 

[studyguy]

Trump administration is proficient at leaving the burned out husks of it's staffer's credibility in its wake. It's incredible to watch.

 

[RustyNails]

Kelly was never good

I thought he was a patriot doing his duty to prevent the orange monkey from pushing the nuke button.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Kelly was never good

Yep, Just read up on his comments on immigration. He's an asshole.

 

[daedalius]

I love that Kelly’s defense of Trump is yet another example of “Actually, he was trying to do the right thing but he is too dumb and incompetent so he fucked it up.”

This is like the running excuse for Trump. “Oh, he was trying to say this much better sounding thing, but like he is a shitty person/has Alzheimer’s/is a general idiot, so instead he said this similar, but very offensive thing.”

Edit: and it should be obvious about Kelly being a piece of shit, remember when he was saying the immigration enforcement wouldn’t be questioned?

This is exactly how I get when they were talking about it on NPR.

“Trump said it ‘in his own way’” so, like an alien in human skin.

 

[studyguy]

https://twitter.com/GettyImagesNews/status/921104412222902275

Getty Images News (@GettyImagesNews)
A man wearing swastikas is punched at a protest against white nationalist #RichardSpencer https://t.co/NQx2rLelNW

 

[kirblar]

Depends on their alternative. Although I know you support basic income.

The idea that because I pay someone to install a sink, they now own part of my house is very dumb to ne.

 

[dramatis]

Paging Foffy.

A 27-year-old mayor is implementing a $1 million experiment in guaranteed income for residents of a poor city just outside the Bay Area.

That’s garnered the attention of city leaders, especially Mayor Michael Tubbs, who became the youngest-ever mayor of a medium-sized city when he won a landslide election in 2016. Tall, gregarious, often besuited with a trim beard, Tubbs could become the new face of universal basic income, or as people abbreviate it, UBI.

Stockton won’t be the first UBI project in the Bay (pilots are already in the field in West Oakland and San Francisco), but it would be the first public attempt to show what a basic income can do for people. Unlike the secretive other projects, both the local government and the participants will be reporting what the cash does for them. And the project will be occurring within the context of a regular city government, with all the community engagement that entails.

“The [UBI] conversation is not being had with the people who are going to be impacted,” Tubbs said. “Mark Zuckerberg don’t need $500 a month.”

 

[Electric Eye]

https://twitter.com/GettyImagesNews/status/921104412222902275

Is that real? Because that guy looks like he's dressed like a parody of what a neonazi looks like with oversized home made swastika shirt and too wide red suspenders.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Kelly is a less rotten apple in a basket of rotten apples.

 

[studyguy]

Is that real? Because that guy looks like he's dressed like a parody of what a neonazi looks like with oversized home made swastika shirt and too wide red suspenders.

I mean he definitely got bopped. The circumstances surrounding it though, idk.

 

[tuxfool]

Kelly was never good

Yeah. Nobody should have been interested in Kelly because he was good, but merely because he was supposed to be competent.

 

[Got the Shakes]

John Harwood‏Verified account @JohnJHarwood 43s44 seconds ago

WH legislative director telling CNN that Trump doesn't support bipartisan Alexander-Murray health bill that Trump has said he supports

https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/921127411865063426

 

[kirblar]

John Harwood‏Verified account @JohnJHarwood 43s44 seconds ago

WH legislative director telling CNN that Trump doesn't support bipartisan Alexander-Murray health bill that Trump has said he supports

https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/921127411865063426

Just like George in BB all stars it's all about who last had his ear.