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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher
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The GOP hates voting on the debt ceiling, because it means siding with Dems over conservative nutjobs who have no qualms about the U.S. defaulting on its debt. So the less often the GOP has to vote on this, the better for their leadership. Kicking this can down the road only three months, instead of 18 like Ryan and McConnell wanted, means they're going to have to have this fight all over again much sooner than they want.
It also extends the amount of leverage Dems have in talks on budget, taxes, DACA, etc. by giving them another quick opportunity to have leverage at all.
Especially during an Election year where those conservative nut jobs will primary them from the right with the debt issue and they risk blowback from the issue if the govenrment shuts down.
To be clear on this, it's fine to support BDS, I guess, but the DSA should probably explicitly recognize Israel's right to exist and Israeli citizens having the right to safety and self-determination, and not record videos of them chanting slogans about removing Israel from the map. Otherwise this will just continue to be a problem for them.
Autodidact
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The Power of ~~~PELOSI~~~ strikes again.
Bow, peons.
Bow, peons.
Dubbedinenglish
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The wicked witch of San Francisco!
Bonen no Max'd
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The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
This is a problem and also I sort of am unsure if I agree with BDS as "the solution" to Israel. Is there any example of "an economic attack on figures of power in a foreign government" that doesn't work by basically making things economically worse for all the citizens and hoping it trickles up?
aspiegamer
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I look forward to Zuck trying to explain why he let his company profit from Russian accounts paying for ad space for fake news during the 2016 election.
jack_package_200
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I'm pretty sure his bullshit in Hawaii alone would make him unelectable.
His only role in the primary would be to make Tulsi Gabbard or Nina Turner more appealing by comparison.
Bonen no Max'd
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BDS is modeled after anti-apartheid South African sanctions and is supported by the African National Congress (South Africa's legislature) so there is that.
For what it's worth, these same arguments were used by conservatives against sanctioning South Africa before the end of apartheid.
I believe it's a serious question but I'm not sure how to answer it!
My position is that Israel has no right to maintain the occupied territory in a state of occupation. If it is part of Israel, then the people in it are Israeli citizens with the right to safety, freedom from persecution, and democratic self-determination, as guaranteed by Israeli law. If it is not part of Israel, then it is its own country, and the people who reside there obviously have a right to govern themselves.
I don't really care which direction they go in. The people there may have an opinion. But I think international law, and Israeli law, really demands that one of the two be the case.
G A B B A R D S A N D E R S A N D T U R N E R
Dubbedinenglish
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That's not her full name
Widdle Puppy
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What I'm wondering is Obamacare now officially safe for the rest of the year or will congress devote more time and resources to repeal after today?
That ship has sailed until after New Years.
This seems good if it can pass. Would Trump dare veto?Senate Approps just reported out a bill that fully funds the State Department and prohibits any attempt to close USAID or reorganize the State Department without notification and review from the Inspector General and Government Accountability Office.
https://twitter.com/RobBerschinski/status/905527129298874369
Get fucked, Rex
Trump is super lazy and can't be bothered to learn a damn thing about how governance or legislation works. He also must know on some level that the House/Senate Republicans are an absolute mess and can't agree on a damn thing, even when it's the bare minimum required for maintaining a government. He just wants anything he can call a win at this point, even if involves ceding ground to Democrats.
Widdle Puppy
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I thought Graham was working on one last ditch effort for 2017?
jack_package_200
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Like it or not, people are going to keep suggesting the Donut Seduction lady for the democratic nominee
Joke's on you, he'll be at a truck stop with real Americans, he won't have time for those sorts of questions.
Welcome to how Jill Stein makes a living.
Bonen no Max'd
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I think this dodges what the most important question I have here: does Israel have the right to maintain itself as an ethnostate?
he'll literally turn on anyone lol
Autodidact
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Tomorrow: Trump endorses Pelosi as Speaker because their grandkids played together.
Israel isn't an ethnostate. It's a theocratic republic. It has just as much right to be a theocratic republic as all the theocratic republics it neighbors.
It's certainly not for her illustrious music career.
whyamihere
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Dubbedinenglish
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That looks about right lmao
Aaron Strife
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Ryan rn
Bonen no Max'd
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I'll be honest: I'm still not really following you? When you say Israel has a right to exist, do you mean that if Israel opposed Palestinian right of return and considers maintaining its status as a Jewish majority state a necessary precondition of peace that it is immoral to demand Palestinian right of return? I'm honestly not following here.
edit: so honest I had to repeat the same phrase like an anagram
double edit: fuck I meant palindrome
Who dat boy, who him isMcCain just released a statement that he's not going with the Graham-Cassidy Healthcare bill, as if there's anymore evidence that they can't possibly hit the deadline to repeal:
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At this point, right of return is such a logistical nightmare that there's real, concrete issues standing in the way above and beyond any ethical questions.
I try not to talk about Israel too much on here. It gets... pretty heated.
But I do think that Israel should have the right to exist as a Jewish state. I understand the reasons why ethnostates are a bad idea in the abstract, and I honestly can't muster much of an argument against them, but there's about... 3000 years of abuse and oppression and attempted genocide against Jews. I think we have to call a Jewish state a proven necessity.
I try not to talk about Israel too much on here. It gets... pretty heated.
But I do think that Israel should have the right to exist as a Jewish state. I understand the reasons why ethnostates are a bad idea in the abstract, and I honestly can't muster much of an argument against them, but there's about... 3000 years of abuse and oppression and attempted genocide against Jews. I think we have to call a Jewish state a proven necessity.
There is nothing "unclear" about what Pigeon is saying.
The Israeli people have the right to not be run over by their neighbors just as the Palestinians have the right to their own country and to not be forced to live in an apartheid state.
broz0rs
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man, that debt ceiling deal really fucked with the GOP didn't it?
https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/905578866730815488
https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/905578866730815488
And the ouroboros keeps eating.
Dubbedinenglish
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Can you OD on schadenfreude? Asking for a friend.
Lou Dobbs how are you still on television
ShadowSwordmaster
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The GOP is losing their damn minds.
Dimms?
I'm sorry... what?
1) Is this idiot really trying to say Paul Ryan shows any kind of hostility toward Trump?
2) "RINO Ryan" ... lol, Paul Ryan is like boilerplate Republican. What's even crazier about calling Paul Ryan that is that apparently he views Trump as a true Republican. If that's the case... hoo boy
Lou Dobbs is a doddering old racist, siding with another doddering old racist is only natural for him.
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