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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher
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Lou Dobbs is a doddering old racist, siding with another doddering old racist is only natural for him.
Haha, true enough
All polls matter.
Speaking of polls, EPIC-MRA polled in Michigan and found Trump with a 35-62 approval spread. Given the closeness of the race last year I'd have to consider it Democrats' number one pickup.
OH SHIT GUYS DAVE REICHERT (WA-8) IS RETIRING, PICKUP AHOY
https://twitter.com/deirdrewalshcnn/status/905459342404710400
Went for Clinton 48-45 and Obama 50-48
a little late but Reichert retiring is a (pnw) MEGATON. guaranteed pickup
Definitely not guaranteed. The 8th is pretty rural. Gone D the past few presidential elections, but have literally never elected a D Rep. Would feel better about the seat if it wasn't a non-presidential election. Clinton only won there by 3 points (compare that to the 7th district where she won by 70).
Does Dobbs always provide a live transcript of his broadcast? Are his views hard of hearing or something?
I mean, what do you think the average age of the Lou Dobbs viewer is?
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
I remember when Dobbs was on CNN, he basically went nuts and became obsessed with how "illegal immigrants were ruining the country". Like that was every episode. I don't think it's hard to see why he'd be pro-Trump.
Poodlestrike
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Does Dobbs always provide a live transcript of his broadcast? Are his views hard of hearing or something?
Average age of a FOX viewer is somewhere north of 65, so probably.
Widdle Puppy
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Damn... Hannity opening monologue tonight was really soft-neutral on Democrats including Kelly Anne Conway. Even Obama was mentioned in an ever so slightly positive light. Both threw tons of shade at Republicans in congress.
What is the angle here?Damn... Hannity opening monologue tonight was really soft-neutral on Democrats including Kelly Anne Conway. Even Obama was mentioned in an ever so slightly positive light. Both threw tons of shade at Republicans in congress.
What is the angle here?
Trump went with them so Hannity goes too. He follows God King.
What is the angle here?
Probably trying to finish the takeover of the Republican party by Trumpism
Probably trying to finish the takeover of the Republican party by Trumpism
Yeah. This is one of the big goals for a part of Republicans.
Probably trying to finish the takeover of the Republican party by Trumpism
By working with Democrats and giving up leverage with the debt ceiling?
Trump could have tied the Dreamer act with payment for the wall if he wanted too and the funding of the government would have been thing ticking time bomb to get it done.
Instead he gives up that leverage for no real reason other than trying to make GOP leadership bend a knee after they defend him from targeting the most important demographic (Hispanic voters).
I'll be honest: I'm still not really following you? When you say Israel has a right to exist, do you mean that if Israel opposed Palestinian right of return and considers maintaining its status as a Jewish majority state a necessary precondition of peace that it is immoral to demand Palestinian right of return? I'm honestly not following here.
edit: so honest I had to repeat the same phrase like an anagram
double edit: fuck I meant palindrome
This question makes me think that maybe we have pretty different framings on this. In particular, I think I would need to understand exactly what you mean by "demanding Palestinian right of return" and why you believe it is in conflict with Israel's right to exist.
In the event of a two-state solution, presumably the Palestinian citizens would be citizens of Palestine and wouldn't have any need to return to Israel.
In the event of a one-state solution, sure, the Palestinians would need to have the right to return to Israel.
If Israel considers being a Jewish majority state a fundamental necessity, I don't have a problem with that. As noted, there are plenty of Islamic republics in the area and we don't generally deny their right to democratically choose to be theocracies. It would be incumbent on Israel, then, to make choices that do not make that necessity impossible. Absorbing the occupied territory into Israel would seem to do that.
In terms of the return of land and property, obviously the question is more complicated. It is not clear to me how such a return could be effected in a way that is just and equitable to the Israeli people who currently possess the land and property. How would you propose such an action take place? I'm not sure that I would call that demand immoral, exactly, but I would not myself make such a demand. Reparations seem like a more practical discussion, although I have occasionally heard it said that property is a capitalist myth.
whyamihere
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Definitely not guaranteed. The 8th is pretty rural. Gone D the past few presidential elections, but have literally never elected a D Rep. Would feel better about the seat if it wasn't a non-presidential election. Clinton only won there by 3 points (compare that to the 7th district where she won by 70).
I mean, if Democrats can't win here, it's extremely embarrassing.
The district went for Gore/Kerry/Obama x2/Clinton, and Clinton by a larger margin than Obama 2012. It's an open seat in what looks like will be a great environment for dems. Yes, it's largely rural, but as we can see from then presidential results, land doesn't vote.
If Dems can't win this seat, it's a terrible night for Democrats and we should cancel the party.
Widdle Puppy
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What is the angle here?
With all the hot air he blows I can't really follow anything he says to see much of a coherent angle but he basically did his routine blah blah blah thing about Mcconnell failing the president and the working people, partisan swamp, etc. He mentioned Democrats a couple times in a neutral non-partisan way. He then brought Kelly on who mentioned how even Obama recognized congress' duty to lead on immigration and that's why Trump gave a six month extension on Daca before ending it.
Literally never elected a D Rep.I mean, if Democrats can't win here, it's extremely embarrassing.
The district went for Gore/Kerry/Obama x2/Clinton, and Clinton by a larger margin than Obama 2012. It's an open seat in what looks like will be a great environment for dems. Yes, it's largely rural, but as we can see from then presidential results, land doesn't vote.
If Dems can't win this seat, it's a terrible night for Democrats and we should cancel the party.
By working with Democrats and giving up leverage with the debt ceiling?
Trump could have tied the Dreamer act with payment for the wall if he wanted too and the funding of the government would have been thing ticking time bomb to get it done.
Instead he gives up that leverage for no real reason other than trying to make GOP leadership bend a knee after they defend him from targeting the most important demographic (Hispanic voters).
By pushing the talking point that "establishment" Republicans can't accomplish anything but Trump can when he doesn't have to rely on them.
I think it's fairly clear that most people identifying as a Republican post-2016 don't give 2 fucks about policy, so it would make sense that they don't really care about what Trump is actually trying to pass. They largely take cues from high profile followers of Trumpism and Trump himself
whyamihere
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The attorney general of Mississippi has only been a Republican once in the mid 1800s but please don't tell me that a Democrat would be favored to win if Jim Hood died tomorrow just because "the seat has only elected a republican once over 150 years ago."Literally never elected a D Rep.
Also you realize that maps change and WA-8 looks different now than it has in the past, yes?
EDIT: THIS DISTRICT HAS ONLY EXISTED IN NUMBER SINCE 1982
neurosisxeno
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Literally never elected a D Rep.
This is why local elections are always more volatile. People use different metrics for electing Governors and Reps than Presidents and Senators. I live in VT and we haven't voted for a Republican in the General since what, Reagan? Nixon maybe? Yet it's not uncommon for Republicans to win Gubernatorial elections. A lot of people will vote for different parties for their own government than they will for the national government. VT overwhelmingly votes for Democratic candidates for President, but Phil Scott still won the Gubernatorial race.
I voted for Scott.
whyamihere
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This is why local elections are always more volatile. People use different metrics for electing Governors and Reps than Presidents and Senators. I live in VT and we haven't voted for a Republican in the General since what, Reagan? Nixon maybe? Yet it's not uncommon for Republicans to win Gubernatorial elections. A lot of people will vote for different parties for their own government than they will for the national government. VT overwhelmingly votes for Democratic candidates for President, but Phil Scott still won the Gubernatorial race.
I voted for Scott.
And House races have become hyper partisan and are directly correlated compared to a gubernatorial race! All federal races are.
A house race is not "local".
neurosisxeno
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And House races have become hyper partisan and are directly correlated compared to a gubernatorial race! All federal races are.
A house race is not "local".
It's a lot more local than something like a Senate race. It's confined to a specific district. I realize my experience with them is skewed since most of VTs elections are statewide due to low population.
whyamihere
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It's a lot more local than something like a Senate race. It's confined to a specific district. I realize my experience with them is skewed since most of VTs elections are statewide due to low population.
It's not. It's directly correlated with presidential performance. And we're not talking about a seat with an incumbent, which provides an advantage (though a diminished one!)
https://youtu.be/SA1SxZoFmOUAfter that Lou Dobbs segment....
LIBERAL ICON JOHN MCCAIN
CONSERVATIVE ICON NANCY PELOSI
"Schumer is the true conservative' - Hannity later tonight, probably.
We've reached bizzaro America
SatelliteOfLove
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This Facebook story is very interesting. I hope the Congressional committees are keeping up with it.
They are fools who listen to what the shouty (wo)man says on the boob tube to do to be a good Conservative. They don't even realize the Dems are the only winning politicians here and Trump got betaed YET again.
The buried lede here is that this pushes the upcoming civil war in the GOP ranks closer to its Fort Sumter. Imagine the insanity if Trump's administration implodes and his low-info voters are soured on rank-and-file GOP that don't bang the MAGA drum, or the Doofus stirs up a bunch of primary challengers that manage to knock off some that more moderate GOP voters will be less than thrilled with (Corey Stewart types).
By working with Democrats and giving up leverage with the debt ceiling?
Trump could have tied the Dreamer act with payment for the wall if he wanted too and the funding of the government would have been thing ticking time bomb to get it done.
Instead he gives up that leverage for no real reason other than trying to make GOP leadership bend a knee after they defend him from targeting the most important demographic (Hispanic voters).
They are fools who listen to what the shouty (wo)man says on the boob tube to do to be a good Conservative. They don't even realize the Dems are the only winning politicians here and Trump got betaed YET again.
The buried lede here is that this pushes the upcoming civil war in the GOP ranks closer to its Fort Sumter. Imagine the insanity if Trump's administration implodes and his low-info voters are soured on rank-and-file GOP that don't bang the MAGA drum, or the Doofus stirs up a bunch of primary challengers that manage to knock off some that more moderate GOP voters will be less than thrilled with (Corey Stewart types).
whyamihere
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Tom "DNC Chair Needs To Be A Full Time Job" Perez is taking teaching job at Brown. Yeesh.
http://bit.ly/2gNj2M6
http://bit.ly/2gNj2M6
Mark Andrew
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Tom "DNC Chair Needs To Be A Full Time Job" Perez is taking teaching job at Brown. Yeesh.
http://bit.ly/2gNj2M6
Doesnt seem like its incredibly time consuming, but yeah definitely not a good look.
:vI voted for Scott.
Widdle Puppy
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Has anyone heard of this guy?
https://twitter.com/w_terrence?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
What gives?
https://twitter.com/w_terrence?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
What gives?
Except doesn't he need that support with the investigation looking?This Facebook story is very interesting. I hope the Congressional committees are keeping up with it.
They are fools who listen to what the shouty (wo)man says on the boob tube to do to be a good Conservative. They don't even realize the Dems are the only winning politicians here and Trump got betaed YET again.
The buried lede here is that this pushes the upcoming civil war in the GOP ranks closer to its Fort Sumter. Imagine the insanity if Trump's administration implodes and his low-info voters are soured on rank-and-file GOP that don't bang the MAGA drum, or the Doofus stirs up a bunch of primary challengers that manage to knock off some that more moderate GOP voters will be less than thrilled with (Corey Stewart types).
Plus he's clearly pissing off Wall Street and if he fucks up Tax reform who is left to call Trump Friend? Fox News?
As long as his main job is the same don't really care about him being a guest lecturer.Tom "DNC Chair Needs To Be A Full Time Job" Perez is taking teaching job at Brown. Yeesh.
http://bit.ly/2gNj2M6
As long as his main job is the same don't really care about him being a guest lecturer.
Are these................paid...speeches?
If you're an active player, you generally don't do guest commentary on your current job!As long as his main job is the same don't really care about him being a guest lecturer.
This is very very weird if he doesn't already have one foot out the door.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
I remember when Dobbs was on CNN, he basically went nuts and became obsessed with how "illegal immigrants were ruining the country". Like that was every episode. I don't think it's hard to see why he'd be pro-Trump.
Funny story my mostly liberal black Grandmother got snuckered by Lou Dobbs propaganda on CNN. When I came here to complain about it and quoted what she said Dobbs said. I got my tag line that a pray no one ever takes seriously.
HAH! Fuck you, Reichert.
With that being said, WA-8 is a huge district, with a suburban/rural split. I COULD see it flip to the Dems if places like Kent, Issaquah, Auburn, Maple Valley/Black Diamond/Covington, Orting, and Bonney Lake and other suburbs adjacent to Puget Sound gain enough people in the next year or so to effective counterbalance the vast swaths of rural and conservative towns in the Cascades/Central Washington that comprise the eastern half of the district.
tbh I'm more focused on regaining the state Senate than picking up the 8th at this point. *shrug*
With that being said, WA-8 is a huge district, with a suburban/rural split. I COULD see it flip to the Dems if places like Kent, Issaquah, Auburn, Maple Valley/Black Diamond/Covington, Orting, and Bonney Lake and other suburbs adjacent to Puget Sound gain enough people in the next year or so to effective counterbalance the vast swaths of rural and conservative towns in the Cascades/Central Washington that comprise the eastern half of the district.
tbh I'm more focused on regaining the state Senate than picking up the 8th at this point. *shrug*
BoogieWoogie
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Dimms?
I swear to God, Fox knowingly pulls this shit on purpose. Like when a Republican does something horrible and they "ACCIDENTALLY" put a D next to his name.
You know the ironic thing about Trump's presidency? If he weren't an evil, stupid racist, he could literally unite the country with his Pied Piper hold on middle America. If he truly wanted single payer healthcare, he could probably get it through as enough Republicans may march lock and step with him and the Democrats would be all for it.
AntraxSuicide
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If I were running against them, I know exactly what DSA video clip I'd be running over and over. Not surprised that Biss wouldn't want to deal with that.
This is actually a problem the DSA needs to deal with.
I'm out of the loop here. What video? Is this more of a general DSA issue on Israel or a specific thing came up?
EDIT: THIS DISTRICT HAS ONLY EXISTED IN NUMBER SINCE 1982
It's really only existed since 2010, when it was redistricted pretty significantly (although this made it more conservative).
It isn't largely rural at all, whyamihere, unless you mean by geography. The majority of the population is in once-rural areas that are now pricey Seattle suburbs. The conservatives here are very moderate and not Trump supporters. I expect a fairly easy Dem win in this environment.
Spoiled Milk
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This is actually greatThe wicked witch of San Francisco!
If democrats were smart they'd go on every morning show and weekend show saying they really wanted X (some thing they aren't going to get) with the Harvey Aid + CR + 3 month debt ceiling but that Trump "drove a hard bargain and made a deal they couldn't refuse."
Basically every time he hands the dems a win stroke his ego and he'll hand you more wins.
Next time try "DemocRATS! GET IT?!?!1"
Basically every time he hands the dems a win stroke his ego and he'll hand you more wins.
This is intentional. It's a Lou Dobbs thing. He thinks he is being clever.I swear to God, Fox knowingly pulls this shit on purpose. Like when a Republican does something horrible and they "ACCIDENTALLY" put a D next to his name.
Next time try "DemocRATS! GET IT?!?!1"
BoogieWoogie
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If democrats were smart they'd go on every morning show and weekend show saying they really wanted X (some thing they aren't going to get) with the Harvey Aid + CR + 3 month debt ceiling but that Trump "drove a hard bargain and made a deal they couldn't refuse."
Basically every time he hands the dems a win stroke his ego and he'll hand you more wins.
In a nutshell yes. Dems need to go onto morning shows and blast the fact that they gave Trump a win here, something the Republican Congress and Senate couldn't do. Shout it from the mountaintops and start slipping Trump bills.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1410580&page=220I'm out of the loop here. What video? Is this more of a general DSA issue on Israel or a specific thing came up?
ctrl-f "twitter", "hamas" for context.
skullmuffins
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Make no mistake, "Dimms" is totally on purpose. Lou Dobbs has been using it for a while. It's embarrassingly juvenile.I swear to God, Fox knowingly pulls this shit on purpose. Like when a Republican does something horrible and they "ACCIDENTALLY" put a D next to his name.
No no no. Trump got the win, it just happened to be something they could agree on. And they might have their arms twisted to help the president win again on something else they agree on.In a nutshell yes. Dems need to go onto morning shows and blast the fact that they gave Trump a win here, something the Republican Congress and Senate couldn't do. Shout it from the mountaintops and start slipping Trump bills.
All he cares about is winning and reversing obama.
AntraxSuicide
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1410580&page=220
ctrl-f "twitter", "hamas" for context.
Ah, I see. I did miss that video. FYI that link only works if you're set to 50 ppp. It's page 110 for the nobility.
I kid, I kid
jack_package_200
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Good god, why did Hillary have to acknowledge Verrit? Everything about all that has been a disaster.
Seems fitting.Good god, why did Hillary have to acknowledge Verrit? Everything about all that has been a disaster.
SatelliteOfLove
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Except doesn't he need that support with the investigation looking?
Plus he's clearly pissing off Wall Street and if he fucks up Tax reform who is left to call Trump Friend? Fox News?
Hey, it's his funeral!
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