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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher

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wutwutwut

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There's no reason to love Macron. He's just a weird guy who married his middle school teacher and is extremely vanilla for European politicians. His entire platform was "we can all be friends" and "maybe loosen labor laws a little", but for some reason he was framed as the heroic underdog who saved France from a resurgence of Nazi fervor. That's fine and I probably would have voted for him but I wouldn't have a bumper sticker or anything.
I'm going to ignore your comment about his personal life. I don't think it's appropriate to judge consensual adult relationships.

"Maybe loosen labor laws a little" is one way to put it, sure. I think he's pretty much the only shot France has at fixing its economy.

I like to judge utopias by looking at those who are excluded from them. Far too many, from the youth to immigrants in banlieues, are excluded from the utopia that is a full-time job in France. It's the same "fuck you, got mine" mentality that drives every sort of protectionism, from tariffs to NIMBYism.

So yeah, what Macron is doing is pretty fucking important.
 
I'm going to ignore your comment about his personal life. I don't think it's appropriate to judge consensual adult relationships.

"Maybe loosen labor laws a little" is one way to put it, sure. I think he's pretty much the only shot France has at fixing its economy.

I like to judge utopias by looking at those who are excluded from them. Far too many, from the youth to immigrants in banlieues, are excluded from the utopia that is a full-time job in France. It's the same "fuck you, got mine" mentality that drives every sort of protectionism, from tariffs to NIMBYism.

So yeah, what Macron is doing is pretty fucking important.

Considering the below-Trump popularity Macron enjoys atm I think he wont dare to push much of his Jupiterian regressive "reforms".
 

wutwutwut

Member
Considering the below-Trump popularity Macron enjoys atm I think he wont dare to push much of his Jupiterian regressive "reforms".
His reforms are unpopular and "regressive" just like, say, building high-density housing in American cities is unpopular and "regressive" (in that so-called "progressives" oppose it). Destroying entrenched power structures is usually unpopular.
 

Random Human

They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
I'm going to heavily judge that one poster and also Rick Wilson if nothing juicy droppos tomorrow.
 

mo60

Member
CNN seems so disappointed Irma isn't destroying the earth.

It's quite hard to have two really costly hurricanes in a row in a hurricane season in a country. I see why CNN is disappointed. Irma's name is likely going to be retired anyway at the end of this hurricane season because of the damage it caused in the Caribbeans.
 

Random Human

They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
What did Wilson say?

I think Wilson just vaguely promised something was going to happen soon (IIRC, it was actually last week, not Monday) and then Stinkles (?) in here said something about tomorrow.
 

Random Human

They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Rick Wilson is one of the few people who’s actually clued into things but he’s been super off on timing.

That's a good way to put it. He obviously has Republican connections and knows when stuff's up, but probably not worth trusting him on timing.
 

sc0la

Unconfirmed Member
I think we should do a more interesting poll than spoiled mills impeachment one. Quicker payoff. WHAT does Stinkles' psychic barber and Rick Wilson know is dropping tomorrow. Your wildest guess?

Mine:
Trump was on conference call for the "adoptions" meeting he asked the Russians if they could hack Clinton's "30,000 deleted emails" during it.

Dark horse: Confirmation the piss tape is real from IC who have seen it.
 

kirblar

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You know that part about having a lot of actionable policy proposals ready to go on Day 1 and not a lot of nice-sounding soundbites?

Macron getting nothing done is an example of why you do that! He had a giant majority- if you're not using that starting from day 1 to push through reforms, you're going to get stuck in the mud and sputter out, like he currently is.
 
Respect Charlie Rose as an interviewer but his fluffing up Bannon is ewww. "You're a student of history" Oh please.
Lol. You complain about that one little thing. Charlie Rose was calling Bannon out left and right. I don't think I've ever seen a journalist in recent memory stand up for the Truth as much as Charlie did. Almost all interviewers and journalists would never do an interview so firm and call out the BS non-stop. I don't think I've ever seen a 60 minutes story and interview that is as contentious as this one. Charlie Rose so many times had to take a moment to respond because he obviously wanted to lose his shit on him. You could see active contempt for him.


I cant believe Bannon's now saying the Catholic Church wants to smuggle illegal immigrants in to fill their seats at church.
 

wutwutwut

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You know that part about having a lot of actionable policy proposals ready to go on Day 1 and not a lot of nice-sounding soundbites?

Macron getting nothing done is an example of why you do that! He had a giant majority- if you're not using that starting from day 1 to push through reforms, you're going to get stuck in the mud and sputter out, like he currently is.
Yep his execution has definitely been less then stellar. I hope he gets back on track soon.
 
You know that part about having a lot of actionable policy proposals ready to go on Day 1 and not a lot of nice-sounding soundbites?

Macron getting nothing done is an example of why you do that! He had a giant majority- if you're not using that starting from day 1 to push through reforms, you're going to get stuck in the mud and sputter out, like he currently is.

Way I see it, if Pelosi and Schumer don't have some legislative aides working on language for bills right now, they're kinda fucking up.

Don't put it out there, specifics just attract nitpicking nonsense, but yeah, we should really have stuff ready to put up for vote day 0.
 

NeoXChaos

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kirblar your very knowledgeable I think on this. What states do Democrats get the majority of the white vote in?

Vermont shares similar demographics with West Virginia being 98% or more white but one votes conservative while the other votes liberal. Why is that? Education?
 

mo60

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So uh the hurricane isn't as bad as expected?

It's bad but it's not $50+ billion bad.

kirblar your very knowledgeable I think on this. What states do Democrats get the majority of the white vote in?

Vermont shares similar demographics with West Virginia being 98% or more white but one votes conservative while the other votes liberal. Why is that? Education?

Vermont has a lot of college educated whites and almost all of the state's population is in the cities.Only one really rural part of the state in far NE Vermont sometimes is won by republicans in presidential elections.The national republican party's is also way to conservative to appeal to people in vermont.
 
His reforms are unpopular and "regressive" just like, say, building high-density housing in American cities is unpopular and "regressive" (in that so-called "progressives" oppose it). Destroying entrenched power structures is usually unpopular.

Every work law firmly pushed towards "flexibilization / liberalization" (codewords for reduction) of working rights is a regressive reform by its constitution. Working rights are not a glitch, they are human rights that were conquered after decades of inhumane exploitation.

Turns out it only took branding your corporation as a family and exploitation as a lifestyle and a choice for people to become more receptive to "flexible" work laws. Pure
neoliberal
ideology.


MELKR IS UNBANNED. PRAISE.

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I actually wasnt banned, just posting less frecuently here.
 
Way I see it, if Pelosi and Schumer don't have some legislative aides working on language for bills right now, they're kinda fucking up.

Don't put it out there, specifics just attract nitpicking nonsense, but yeah, we should really have stuff ready to put up for vote day 0.
I'm guessing we'll get some kind of first 100 hours plan at some point. Pelosi already said $15 minimum wage and VRA restoration/expansion are Day 1 priorities.
 

kirblar

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kirblar your very knowledgeable I think on this. What states do Democrats get the majority of the white vote in?

Vermont shares similar demographics with West Virginia being 98% or more white but one votes conservative while the other votes liberal. Why is that? Education?
I'm not your guy on a state by state level like that. I know my area pretty well, but not really others. Whyamihere is the one who loves to look up rando elections all over the map, he might be better.
 

Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
I don't know anything about the French economy but it doesn't make sense to me why his party did so well in the parliamentary elections if people were going to immediately decide they wanted something different. I get why HE won, but he should have had no coattails, no? Why not vote for him and then all the socialists?
 

wutwutwut

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Every work law firmly pushed towards "flexibilization / liberalization" (codewords for reduction) of working rights is a regressive reform by its constitution. Working rights are not a glitch, they are human rights that were conquered after decades of inhumane exploitation.
Who are you excluding from your utopia?

Turns out it only took branding your corporation as a family and exploitation as a lifestyle and a choice for people to become more receptive to "flexible" work laws. Pure
neoliberal
ideology.
ok
 

kirblar

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I don't know anything about the French economy but it doesn't make sense to me why his party did so well in the parliamentary elections if people were going to immediately decide they wanted something different. I get why HE won, but he should have had no coattails, no? Why not vote for him and then all the socialists?
It seems like an Obama '09 speedrun where he just skipped past all the stuff where Obama actually accomplished things and got right to the tea party backlash.
 

Ogodei

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CNN seems so disappointed Irma isn't destroying the earth.

It's not nearly the disaster Harvey was. Irma's a nasty hurricane, but that's really all it is, a stronger version of a normal hurricane that we know how to prepare for. Harvey's unprecedented flooding was something else.
 
I don't know anything about the French economy but it doesn't make sense to me why his party did so well in the parliamentary elections if people were going to immediately decide they wanted something different. I get why HE won, but he should have had no coattails, no? Why not vote for him and then all the socialists?

There was only 40% turnout in the parliamentary elections, which was a record low and much lower than ever in 2012 (57%). Also, Marcon didn't even do as well in the parliamentary elections as people expected. There were thought he might end up with 400+ seats, and he only got 350.

So, in essence, he only became President in the first place because he managed to be the guy who was up against the fascist and then he acted like winning a supermajority in a election with record low turnout meant he had a mandate.
 

Wilsongt

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I hope Mueller takes Trump Jr down and buries his ass under the jail,

Donald Trump Jr.‏Verified account @DonaldJTrumpJr

Amazing watching police & first responders from all over the US volunteer in FL & TX, but Antifa uses it as a chance to riot in Portland?!?
 
Found the new DNC slogan!

Choose life
Choose Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and hope that someone, somewhere cares
Choose looking up old flames, wishing you’d done it all differently
And choose watching history repeat itself
Choose your future
Choose reality TV, slut shaming, revenge porn
Choose a zero hour contract, a two hour journey to work
And choose the same for your kids, only worse, and smother the pain with an unknown dose of an unknown drug made in somebody’s kitchen
And then… take a deep breath
You’re an addict, so be addicted
Just be addicted to something else
Choose the ones you love
Choose your future
Choose life
 
I hope Mueller takes Trump Jr down and buries his ass under the jail,

Donald Trump Jr.‏Verified account @DonaldJTrumpJr

Amazing watching police & first responders from all over the US volunteer in FL & TX, but Antifa uses it as a chance to riot in Portland?!?

I had to read this over five times and it makes no fucking sense
 

mo60

Member
Well they still have the aftermath. Also isn't there another coming as well?

I'm really curious what the winter is going to look like in North America now.

Jose is just going to be a minor nuisance to the SE US coast.It's not going to make landfall in the US according to current weather models.
 
You mean the labor laws strangulating the French economy

The fact a "centrist" like Macron was able to convince people that he could boost growth and lower unemployment via his harsh labor market reforms was a true shame. On top of that he's trying to go after the poor, students, looking to give big tax breaks to the rich and showing a lot of people his authoritarian leanings.
 

AntoneM

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FYI, the VA Accountability and Protection Act is being used to fire union covered employees while ignoring the most recent union agreement. An act of congress overrules federal union agreements. I know this because I work at VA and have seen it happening.

The rest of the federal government should get their resume's in order because it won't stop at VA.

Also, no one of any skill or intelligence will want to work for the federal government when they get paid a lot less and are at-will.
 

Holmes

Member
Every work law firmly pushed towards "flexibilization / liberalization" (codewords for reduction) of working rights is a regressive reform by its constitution. Working rights are not a glitch, they are human rights that were conquered after decades of inhumane exploitation.

Turns out it only took branding your corporation as a family and exploitation as a lifestyle and a choice for people to become more receptive to "flexible" work laws. Pure
neoliberal
ideology.




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I actually wasnt banned, just posting less frecuently here.
Hi sis
 

tedtropy

$50/hour, but no kissing on the lips and colors must be pre-separated
How was the Bannon propaganda on 60 minutes?

He's of the opinion that if Trump builds the stupid wall that will, logistically and financially, never happen, his shit approval ratings will soar and he'll win 2020 in a landslide. And that the establishment GOP is trying to nullify him. And probably something about The Deep State (TM).
 
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