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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher

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This 60 Minutes interview is something. Steve Bannon grew up in a desegregated neighborhood so he doesn't need to be lectured about race issues.

Him and Steven Miller really are BFF aint they?

French party politics are a lot less tribal than ours.

Macron is at least partially suffering from I guess what you could call the collapse of a political waveform. Before the election, a lot of people saw what they wanted to see in him. Now he's actually DOING stuff and a lot of them found out they weren't paying close enough attention.

Yeah, France both from example and by character didn't revel in the shit stirred up by spy ops and un-designated author "news". We as a nation must strive to meet their standard.

But Macron? Just came in swinging at institutions as a political neophyte. Bit off much more than he could chew. Figured he had much more political capital than he had.

I hope Mueller takes Trump Jr down and buries his ass under the jail,

Donald Trump Jr.‏Verified account @DonaldJTrumpJr

Amazing watching police & first responders from all over the US volunteer in FL & TX, but Antifa uses it as a chance to riot in Portland?!?

"Save me, chekists...save meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..."
 
The fact a "centrist" like Macron was able to convince people that he could boost growth and lower unemployment via his harsh labor market reforms was a true shame. On top of that he's trying to go after the poor, students, looking to give big tax breaks to the rich and showing a lot of people his authoritarian leanings.
Trump voter trying to lecture people about authoritarian leanings :p

"""""""centrist""""""". Macron is a French centrist, undebatably so.
 
He probably thinks obama did it.

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Hubbl3

Unconfirmed Member
I can't wait to see how Trump fucks up honoring 9/11.

My prediction:

  • Opens with remarks about his electoral college win
  • Makes remarks about the economy and jobs
  • Says "Bad stuff happening in Florida... believe me! I'm told it's very, very not good!"
  • Throws some kindling on the Islamophobia fire
  • Talks about how we need "The Wall" NOW because reasons
  • Condemns ANTIFA
  • Runs away from the podium

*Never mentions 9/11
 
Trump voter trying to lecture people about authoritarian leanings :p

"""""""centrist""""""". Macron is a French centrist, undebatably so.

Mr. Macron insists that his intensive assembling of the tools of power is not an end in itself, and the sense of direction, energy and renewal has been welcomed by French citizens who have longed for greater authority in Paris after the weak presidency of his predecessor, François Hollande.

But it has also led some critics to accuse Mr. Macron of “authoritarian” tendencies. A weekly newsmagazine’s cover called him “Jupiter.” The hyperbole has been widely mocked. But few doubt that Mr. Macron has assumed the role of master string-puller, operating from a political planet he has created for himself.

France’s rigid labor code, which Mr. Macron says kills jobs, will be revamped by decree, largely bypassing Parliament. Much of the antiterrorism state of emergency, in force since the November 2015 terrorist attacks and opposed by civil liberties advocates, will be permanently enshrined in law.

Such quick, bold steps have begun to sow questioning, even unease. The latest demonstration of what some are characterizing as a Napoleonic style was Mr. Macron’s announcement that he would address both houses of Parliament in the regal setting of Versailles on Monday.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-france-president-power.html

The man is sick and confused with respect to how his labor proposals will affect lives. His belief/confidence that giving businesses more power and workers less will boost growth and lower employment like he claims is absurd. France has one of the most productive economies in the region and its labor market structure doesn't kill jobs just because Macron says so.

I don't expect much from an investment banker but I do expect them to try a little harder to pretend to be for the common good. When the only people he's for are his elite friends, then that's why you see his remarkably quick collapse in the eyes of the public. People aren't stupid.
 

kirblar

Member
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-france-president-power.html

The man is sick and confused with respect to how his labor proposals will affect lives. His belief/confidence that giving businesses more power and workers less will boost growth and lower employment like he claims is absurd. France has one of the most productive economies in the region and its labor market structure doesn't kill jobs just because Macron says so.

I don't expect much from an investment banker but I do expect them to try a little harder to pretend to be for the common good. When the only people he's for are his elite friends, then that's why his remarkable collapse in the eyes of the public. People aren't stupid.
France's has very high unemployment - https://www.statista.com/statistics/268830/unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

This is in part because in France, it is very difficult to fire people! Therefore, merely hiring someone on is something that incurs massive amounts of risk for a business!

It doesn't kill jobs because "he says so" it kills jobs because that's what that level of "job protection" does to an economy.

The solutions aren't to prevent employers from being able to let them go, it's to provide people a) legal recourse and b) a strong social safety net!
 
a) legal recourse and b) a strong social safety net!

You do realize that one of the major tenets of his reforms is to remove meaningful legal recourse by capping damage awards for wrongful termination at laughably low amounts?

Do you think punitive damages for sexual harassment or racial discrimination in the workplace ought to be capped at 3 months of wages? How is that a significant deterrence at all?

Employers are inherently predatory and abusive. Which is why labor laws need teeth. Without any you're practically begging for widespread unethical treatment of workers.
 

kirblar

Member
You do realize that one of the major tenets of his reforms is to remove meaningful legal recourse by capping damage awards for wrongful termination at laughably low amounts?

Do you think punitive damages for sexual harassment or racial discrimination in the workplace ought to be capped at 3 months of wages? How is that a significant deterrence at all?

Employers are inherently predatory and abusive. Which is why labor laws need teeth. Without any you're practically begging for widespread unethical treatment of workers.
I'm not saying his reforms are perfect. But that doesn't mean that the status quo is good!
 
France's has very high unemployment - https://www.statista.com/statistics/268830/unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

This is in part because in France, it is very difficult to fire people! Therefore, merely hiring someone on is something that incurs massive amounts of risk for a business!

It doesn't kill jobs because "he says so" it kills jobs because that's what that level of "job protection" does to an economy.

The solutions aren't to prevent employers from being able to let them go, it's to provide people a) legal recourse and b) a strong social safety net!

Yeah, that totally has nothing to do with an ideological shift coming from the corporations. Decades upon decades of progress were built over these "strict" laws. But suddenly they are now killing the market, corpos cry because they cant terrorize workers like they do in their neocolonial franchises in less developed countries, etc... . I dont buy it!


¡Holi mana!
 

kirblar

Member
Yeah, that totally has nothing to do with an ideological shift coming from the corporations. Decades upon decades of progress were built over these "strict" laws. But suddenly they are now killing the market, corpos cry because they cant terrorize workers like they do in their neocolonial franchises in less developed countries, etc... . I dont buy it!
Has nothing to do with corporations and everything to do with locking people into contracts they can't get out of being a good idea.

Expecting corporations to provide social benefits to their employees is a huge part of the problem! They're soulless shells, don't expect them to be anything else!
 
My prediction:

  • Opens with remarks about his electoral college win
  • Makes remarks about the economy and jobs
  • Says "Bad stuff happening in Florida... believe me! I'm told it's very, very not good!"
  • Throws some kindling on the Islamophobia fire
  • Talks about how we need "The Wall" NOW because reasons
  • Condemns ANTIFA
  • Runs away from the podium

*Never mentions 9/11
I wonder if he will replay one of his greatest hits and bring up the imaginary Muslims he saw celebrating 9/11 on TV.
 
I work for a Norwegian company and its great because they still approach workers with the sort of benefits and good stuff they get in Europe, but also aren't completely and totally hand tied to fire someone who is incompetent.

Maybe we should just mandate all Corporate CEOs have to either be Norwegian or Henry Ford or something
 

Pixieking

Banned
https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/906879817248800768

Jennifer Epstein‏Verified account @jeneps 17h17 hours ago

HRC on CBS: "I am done with being a candidate. But I am not done with politics bc I literally believe that our country's future is at stake"

Jennifer Epstein‏Verified account @jeneps 17h17 hours ago
Replying to @jeneps

Clinton says she's not "complacent or resolved about what happened. It is still very painful. It hurts a lot."

Can all the people whining about how she's going to run in '20 please shut the hell up now? :p
 
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Deleted member 231381

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Hmm, guess Crab was correct about him then.

But also I think there's gotta be something weird with France's approval ratings compared to ours. He does seem unpopular but their last guy somehow got to 5% approval rating which I don't even think would be physically possible here

People quote this a lot, but I went and looked up that specific poll. It gave a three-way option - approve, indifferent, disapprove - and Hollande got 4% approval. In standard approve/disapprove polls (so directly comparable to the American ones and to the ones Macron faces), his floor was 24%. Still much lower than Trump's present level, of course, but actually higher than Bush's worst performance at 19% - and Hollande was the most unpopular French president of the Fifth Republic, so on a comparative level, that really does not say much for Bush!
 
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Deleted member 231381

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I don't know anything about the French economy but it doesn't make sense to me why his party did so well in the parliamentary elections if people were going to immediately decide they wanted something different. I get why HE won, but he should have had no coattails, no? Why not vote for him and then all the socialists?

It's sort of a tradition to reward the first-time winner of the presidency with a supporting legislature, it's a strong political norm in France - there's a perception that they won, and are entitled to therefore at least get a good go of things before the obstructionism starts (possibly a norm America could do with inheriting?). If you look at the turnout for legislative elections following newly incoming presidents, they're very poor. Macron actually set the record in this department - his legislative election saw the lowest turnout on record. Basically everyone who wasn't his supporter sat it out.
 
That Bannon interview...

a few take aways i got from it

- Bannon is involved in the Russia matter he refused to state Russia was interfering and tried his best to change the subject,


- Bannon was physically twitching by statements to denounce the Nazi's and far/alt right/reich

- Bannon claims he isnt a racist because he grew up in a desegregated neighborhood

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the big one
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- Bannon left hte white house to do for trump what he couldnt do while an employee of the whitehouse.

A. Attack his enemies, vaguely stated who they were, certainly sounds like attacking Mueller and his team and attempting disinformation/phising attempts against the team.

B. research on what Muellers team knows, I smell a break in soon.
 

Blader

Member
I laugh every time I read about Mnuchin's pathetic "raise the debt ceiling for me" plea to House Republicans. What the hell kind of pitch is that
 
This Steve Bannon interview. Good lord...

He straight up admits there was no way to repeal Obamacare, so he's clearly not stupid.

"As long as you're an American citizen"
and not black, muslim, hispanic, or generally non-white
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- Bannon left hte white house to do for trump what he couldnt do while an employee of the whitehouse.

A. Attack his enemies, vaguely stated who they were, certainly sounds like attacking Mueller and his team and attempting disinformation/phising attempts against the team.

B. research on what Muellers team knows, I smell a break in soon.

Considering Bannon seems borderline incompetent I'm cool with this

Get his ass caught
 

Random Human

They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
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the big one
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- Bannon left hte white house to do for trump what he couldnt do while an employee of the whitehouse.

A. Attack his enemies, vaguely stated who they were, certainly sounds like attacking Mueller and his team and attempting disinformation/phising attempts against the team.

B. research on what Muellers team knows, I smell a break in soon.

This seems... like a big jump?
 

Pyrokai

Member
I work for a Norwegian company and its great because they still approach workers with the sort of benefits and good stuff they get in Europe, but also aren't completely and totally hand tied to fire someone who is incompetent.

Maybe we should just mandate all Corporate CEOs have to either be Norwegian or Henry Ford or something
personally I think we should emulate Norway by socializing capital and creating social wealth funds and state owned companies

start off with some nationalized rail CHOO CHOO
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
I think Wilson just vaguely promised something was going to happen soon (IIRC, it was actually last week, not Monday) and then Stinkles (?) in here said something about tomorrow.

I heard something was going to happen yesterday or today (but I assumed NOT yesterday because nothing ever drops on a Sunday). I still don't know what it is, or IF it still is, only that it's some thing my psychic barber knew about about three weeks ago. "He's" back in "the barbershop" today so I should be able to just ask what it was and if it's happened with. If it makes you feel any better I'm currently as clueless as you.
 
I heard something was going to happen yesterday or today (but I assumed NOT yesterday because nothing ever drops on a Sunday). I still don't know what it is, or IF it still is, only that it's some thing my psychic barber knew about about three weeks ago. "He's" back in "the barbershop" today so I should be able to just ask what it was and if it's happened with. If it makes you feel any better I'm currently as clueless as you.

Tell me or I'll cut your hair myself and I have no idea what I'm doing

Also why is Lime still allowed to gaslight people with their passive aggressive antagonist threads
 
I heard something was going to happen yesterday or today (but I assumed NOT yesterday because nothing ever drops on a Sunday). I still don't know what it is, or IF it still is, only that it's some thing my psychic barber knew about about three weeks ago. "He's" back in "the barbershop" today so I should be able to just ask what it was and if it's happened with. If it makes you feel any better I'm currently as clueless as you.

Republican retirements?
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Republican retirements?

That was what I was thinking but wouldn't make sense that this person would have any special insight into that. I also thought it might be the lawyering up yesterday of McGahn and Priebus, which would make a bit more sense. I guess I'll find out after lunch. Also after this I'm out of the tick tick business. It's nerve wracking, I'm just an observer anyway and I tend to get a (likely unrelated and paranoid ) surge in Russian linkedin requests.
 

kirblar

Member
The retirements sure are happening all at once though. Would make sense if they're trying to announce ahead of something lurking in the near future.
 

Pyrokai

Member
What's the state of the Tennessee Democratic Party? Does a Corker retirement make that seat even remotely competitive?

I keep wondering why Tennessee isn't more liberal than other southern states....at least on par with NC and VA. It's got some big-ish cities and shit.
 
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