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PoliGAF General Election Thread of Conventions (Sarah Palin McCain VP Pick)
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Steve Youngblood
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Perhaps. Though I don't think McCain needs any help in connecting with average Joes at the grocery store. His last trip really showed what a man of the people he was.laserbeam said:Images like this will work with alot of female voters. Apparently out listening to peoples opinions with the little one.
syllogism said:
I wasn't at all trying to trivilize Obama's numbers. I really do think they're huge. I was trying to highlight that by saying that Bush and Kerry got some 15-20 million fewer viewers.
Y2Kev said:
As someone else in the thread said, this is purely reactionary on the McCain campaign's part. He's been tied to the hip with Bush so effectively that the Palin pick was not only a likely attempt at trying to siphon off some Hillary supporters (which Palin herself essentially confirmed in her speech), but also probably an attempt to get away from Bush and try to reinforce his "maverick" image.
The big problem is that it completely undercuts his "experience" strategy while simultaneously putting him up against Obama in the "change/reform" department, which is an automatic losing battle. It's lose-lose for McCain. I don't understand the pick - it seems overly risky at this point, with the downside seeming much greater than the potential upside.
BenjaminBirdie
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Cooter said:
Yes. Bewildered and astonished coverage of John McCain's first epic failure in an executive capacity. So awesome.
Fragamemnon
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adamsappel said:
Yeah, my use of slang there was uncalled for. I apologize to the rest of the participants herefor lowering the currently high level of discourse in this thread.
BenjaminBirdie
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Chiggs said:
CNN TICKER 09.27.08: HILLARY CLINTON: "DON'T FALL FOR IT"
Frank the Great
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First reaction from many McCain-supporting friends and family: What the fuck is McCain doing!?!?!?
Steve Youngblood
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I can certainly understand that. However, it seemed that he had settled firmly on the "Obama is too much of a gamble in these troubling times" message. I wasn't a fan of it, but I understand its potential efficacy. I can understand taking some chances in trying to reestablish himself as likable and not Bush, but this just seems like he might have taken a bigger and more riskier leap than necessary.schuelma said:
Still, I'll give him credit for mixing it up. I can't shake this notion. Palin? Wow.
Gary Whitta
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Holy shit at some of the talking heads the Republicans are trotting out to defend this pick. Currently making the argument that Palin has more experience than Obama. LOL.
Fragamemnon
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A good, serious question to ask at this point is how Palin would help McCain govern. The effect of Biden by Obama's side is obvious-the man is an elder statesmen of the party and knows foreign policy as well as anyone in the country. How does Palin help McCain better serve the country? I'm not seeing it-the pick seems 100% political, and should be lambasted as such.
BenjaminBirdie
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Gaborn said:
Sorry, I don't think Palin's personal decision is going to change her views on victims of rape and incest.
Gary Whitta said:
Yeah, I love this republican spokesperson was just asked how they can attack Obama on experience then support Palin, and hows she;'s ready for the position. Her response:
- She's a working mother
- she has 5 kids
- she has a son in Iraq
- she helps her husband with his small business
- she signs paycheks
Amazing. Simply amazing.
The more I think about this, the more I think it is a bad choice.
Ridge, Romney, or Pawlenty would have been better choices. FAR better choices.
This pick is so purely political that it's almost unbelievable. Like a joke. It is without a doubt a last ditch effort, and really does prove that the McCain campaign has little to rely on at this point. They are more desperate than I thought.
Ridge would have been his best choice; I am relieved that he did not pick him. I don't care if he's pro-choice, this election is about the middle, whereas in 2004, the religious right had an equal amount of importance. Not so this time, with or without a pro-choicer on the ticket. Ridge has tons of appeal to moderate Republicans. Governor, first Director of Homeland Security, popular in a swing state Republicans haven't been able to win in 20 years. I really do think Ridge would have been able to deliver PA for McCain. Romney would have completely invalidated any criticisms about McCain's lack of economic experience, and it would have given him a real shot at Michigan. Pawlenty would win over enough evangelicals, put Minnesota in play, which -- like PA or MI -- would have been a huge upset, just knowing how much it would have helped.
Palin has less experience than Obama. Alaska is totally isolated, it does not have anything to do with regions of the country that the Republicans are trying to win big in. It is a state that will likely go red in November regardless of who is on the ticket.
Sure, it's always possible that she could captivate enough of the "Hillarycrats" to let McCain squeeze through with a win, but let's not get too scared about this. Not to mention, I expect Hillary to come out in full force urging people to not only vote Obama, but understand why Palin really isn't a champion of women like Hillary was/is (i.e. abortion views). Eventually, I think Palin will prove to be a poor choice.
Ridge, Romney, or Pawlenty would have been better choices. FAR better choices.
This pick is so purely political that it's almost unbelievable. Like a joke. It is without a doubt a last ditch effort, and really does prove that the McCain campaign has little to rely on at this point. They are more desperate than I thought.
Ridge would have been his best choice; I am relieved that he did not pick him. I don't care if he's pro-choice, this election is about the middle, whereas in 2004, the religious right had an equal amount of importance. Not so this time, with or without a pro-choicer on the ticket. Ridge has tons of appeal to moderate Republicans. Governor, first Director of Homeland Security, popular in a swing state Republicans haven't been able to win in 20 years. I really do think Ridge would have been able to deliver PA for McCain. Romney would have completely invalidated any criticisms about McCain's lack of economic experience, and it would have given him a real shot at Michigan. Pawlenty would win over enough evangelicals, put Minnesota in play, which -- like PA or MI -- would have been a huge upset, just knowing how much it would have helped.
Palin has less experience than Obama. Alaska is totally isolated, it does not have anything to do with regions of the country that the Republicans are trying to win big in. It is a state that will likely go red in November regardless of who is on the ticket.
Sure, it's always possible that she could captivate enough of the "Hillarycrats" to let McCain squeeze through with a win, but let's not get too scared about this. Not to mention, I expect Hillary to come out in full force urging people to not only vote Obama, but understand why Palin really isn't a champion of women like Hillary was/is (i.e. abortion views). Eventually, I think Palin will prove to be a poor choice.
It's definitely as bad as it sounds.Door2Dawn said:
Frank the Great
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Hootie said:
It's actually Wesley Clark wearing Sarah Palin's hide.
adamsappel
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Should have stopped there. What has happened to apologies these days?Fragamemnon said:
Her lack of experience is so mind boggling the more I think of it, when compared with McCain's attacks against Obama's experience.
This pick has the potential to be Dan Quayle all over again. While she will certainly score some points with certain demographics, her lack of experience is so readily apparant, so absurd given the context of the Republican's attacks on Obama... this cannot end well for McCain.
This pick has the potential to be Dan Quayle all over again. While she will certainly score some points with certain demographics, her lack of experience is so readily apparant, so absurd given the context of the Republican's attacks on Obama... this cannot end well for McCain.
BenjaminBirdie
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Slurpy said:
"Okay, here are your talking points."
"Wait, WHAT? I --"
"GOTTA GO!!!"
*kpwing!!!*
Senator Obama has been running for President since he got into the Senate and having Executive experience is something. Does she have a lot of experience in government? No.
It was a brilliant pick because it's going to hand McCain the election. Senator Biden is a giant douche who likes the sound of his own voice way too much. That showed me that Senator Obama for all of his talk of being a post-partisan politician is just full of shit. His speech last night was small ball, he mentioned McCain and Bush way too much.
It was a brilliant pick because it's going to hand McCain the election. Senator Biden is a giant douche who likes the sound of his own voice way too much. That showed me that Senator Obama for all of his talk of being a post-partisan politician is just full of shit. His speech last night was small ball, he mentioned McCain and Bush way too much.
ViperVisor
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Gary Whitta said:
They would have a clock saying she hasn't been to Iraq in 44 years if this was a Dem situation.
ratcliffja
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avaya said:
Yeah Hillary could be very useful in discrediting Palin as a suitable replacement for women voters seeking to get a woman into office. I'm not really anti-Palin, mind you, as she seems rather moderate in a lot of ways. I just think he may end up losing a big chunk of conservative voters with a risky, environmentally-friendly young woman who immediately advertised her confrontations with the oil companies. They'll probably get a lot of the nut job Hillary supporters, but I think they'll find that they're a vocal minority of the "18 million" that Hillary claims as supporters.
BenjaminBirdie
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Chiggs said:
Dude. No PUMA would ever vote for Obama anyway. Where's McCain going to get the other like 39,999,983 votes?
Deus Ex Machina
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:lolBenjaminBirdie said:
Gary Whitta
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Hillaryis44 continues to amuse:
reilo said:
True, but most people only look tangentially at VP, they're not political wonks like most of poligaf.
No, the media expects treatment of women to be set to a higher standard and Biden doesn't know her as well but she damn sure knows him, he's more vulnerable to a sucker punch and it's harder for him to hit back.
Steve Youngblood
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I don't think that's entirely necessary, at least not right this second. Scrambling for Obama-sponsored attacks on this unknown right now might come across as overly defensive, like they're scared of her already.Odrion said:
They, like us, should wait and see how this transpires for now.
Also, I think this VP pick by McCain pisses Hillary off even more. She is going to go full-force out now to campaign for Obama just to not allow Palin to be the first woman in the White House with "President" as part of her title.
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