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Can't say it's the only reason, but one of them sure.
That's one of the things I like about this movie. I does leave you asking a lot of questions, so a lot is left up to the imagination. I thought it was really good. The more I think about it, the better I think the movie is.
 
The original ship was designed to evoke fallopian tube/uterus imagery. Alien is dense with a quite brilliant sexual/reproductive subtext. Something Prometheus somehow seemed to miss/ignore despite Scott having helmed both...
What?!

The cobra looks like a cock with a vagina on it....
Right, not to mention we have an engineer getting tentacle raped and a forced C-section of an alien baby that was planted there by an Android...
 
The original ship was designed to evoke fallopian tube/uterus imagery. Alien is dense with a quite brilliant sexual/reproductive subtext. Something Prometheus somehow seemed to miss/ignore despite Scott having helmed both...

I thought the whole premise of Prometheus was about reproduction. The Engineers appear to be a single sex. When they seeded earth the DNA split into two different sexes of every species. Perhaps this was on purpose, but every other creature they made seems to be single sexed and rely on the destruction/creation process.
 
Looks like we may get Spaihts draft in the blu ray.

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The home release is being produced by Charles de Lauzirika - same guy who did the 5 disc Blade Runner set and the Alien Anthology set so it should be awesome.
 
So what is Prometheus saying with the sexual imagery? Alien was about male sexual agression, the Alien could rape and 'impregnate' a male, 'Mother' was 'contaminated' with a foreign body like a 'whore', the alien looks like a penis with teeth, it came from a spaceship uterus full of eggs, Ash tries to kill Ripley by violently shoving something down her throat in an environment full of pornography, and the only survivor was the woman who can handle male agression because she's had practice.

What was prometheus saying? A bunch of things that look like dicks and general sexualised violence does not a subtext make.
 
So what is Prometheus saying with the sexual imagery? Alien was about male sexual agression, the Alien could rape and 'impregnate' a male, 'Mother' was 'contaminated' with a foreign body like a 'whore', the alien looks like a penis with teeth, it came from a spaceship uterus full of eggs, Ash tries to kill Ripley by violently shoving something down her throat in an environment full of pornography, and the only survivor was the woman who can handle male agression because she's had practice.

What was prometheus saying? A bunch of things that look like dicks and general sexualised violence does not a subtext make.
It's apparently the personification of the rape of the Alien franchise.
 
So what is Prometheus saying with the sexual imagery? Alien was about male sexual agression, the Alien could rape and 'impregnate' a male, 'Mother' was 'contaminated' with a foreign body like a 'whore', the alien looks like a penis with teeth, it came from a spaceship uterus full of eggs, Ash tries to kill Ripley by violently shoving something down her throat in an environment full of pornography, and the only survivor was the woman who can handle male agression because she's had practice.

What was prometheus saying? A bunch of things that look like dicks and general sexualised violence does not a subtext make.

You have to remember than Giger has been playing with sexual imaginery long before Alien and it was carried into the designs naturally. And the whole "male sexual aggression" sounds made up when you consider that the first Alien concepts were very feminine.
 
The 5 Stages of Prometheus

1) Denial
Ridley Scott's return to sci-fi is a stunning visual achievement which I enjoyed a lot, I don't see why everyone is complaining!

2) Anger
Hang on a minute, why did they do that, what does this mean, this doesn't make any sense!

3) Bargaining
Maybe they meant this, or how about this, there's nothing in the film to suggest it but it sort of makes sense. Doesn't it?

4) Depression
Shit. It doesn't. I've never been so disappointed in a film :(

5) Acceptance
Space Jesus.

Co-signed.
 
You have to remember than Giger has been playing with sexual imaginery long before Alien and it was carried into the designs naturally. And the whole "male sexual aggression" sounds made up when you consider that the first Alien concepts were very feminine.
It was male and female. Curves - but the head was a penis with another penis that came out the end for space-christ's sake!
 
Alien was about male sexual agression, the Alien could rape and 'impregnate' a male, 'Mother' was 'contaminated' with a foreign body like a 'whore', the alien looks like a penis with teeth, it came from a spaceship uterus full of eggs, Ash tries to kill Ripley by violently shoving something down her throat in an environment full of pornography, and the only survivor was the woman who can handle male agression because she's had practice.

Well, clearly it's about whatever you want it to be about.
 
The "proto-alien" at the end of the film at burst out of the Engineer.

And yeah, I dunno wtf happened, those designs are fantastic.. Worst of all, it really seems they filmed the more alien looking Fiefield:

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Wow yea look at his head! I guess maybe they thought it would have undercut the reveal at the end
 
It was male and female. Curves - but the head was a penis with another penis that came out the end for space-christ's sake!

Yes it's a penis and the facehugger has a vagina, but those images aren't meant to be taken literally. Without giger, most of the sexual symbolism wouldn't even be there.
 
So what is Prometheus saying with the sexual imagery? Alien was about male sexual agression, the Alien could rape and 'impregnate' a male, 'Mother' was 'contaminated' with a foreign body like a 'whore', the alien looks like a penis with teeth, it came from a spaceship uterus full of eggs, Ash tries to kill Ripley by violently shoving something down her throat in an environment full of pornography, and the only survivor was the woman who can handle male agression because she's had practice.

What was prometheus saying? A bunch of things that look like dicks and general sexualised violence does not a subtext make.

I think you're making the mistake of treating interpretation as intent. Give it time, I'm sure there'll be plenty of essays about how Prometheus is about rape for you to geek out to. I mean, alien goop impregnates a woman against her will and she has to rip it from her womb to save her own life. It's not exactly rocket science in this case.
 
The 5 Stages of Prometheus

1) Denial
Ridley Scott's return to sci-fi is a stunning visual achievement which I enjoyed a lot, I don't see why everyone is complaining!

2) Anger
Hang on a minute, why did they do that, what does this mean, this doesn't make any sense!

3) Bargaining
Maybe they meant this, or how about this, there's nothing in the film to suggest it but it sort of makes sense. Doesn't it?

4) Depression
Shit. It doesn't. I've never been so disappointed in a film :(

5) Acceptance
Space Jesus.

ROTFL!
 
The original ship was designed to evoke fallopian tube/uterus imagery. Alien is dense with a quite brilliant sexual/reproductive subtext. Something Prometheus somehow seemed to miss/ignore despite Scott having helmed both...

um, the almost every alien thing here had sexual reproductive imagery. The murals on the way; the vaginaesque worm penis; even the final alien beast had a ring of pink vaginaesque mouths that lined that central jaw. When the final thing open its mouth to eat the space jockey; I was like vulva!
 
I think you're making the mistake of treating interpretation as intent. Give it time, I'm sure there'll be plenty of essays about how Prometheus is about rape for you to geek out to. I mean, alien goop impregnates a woman against her will and she has to rip it from her womb to save her own life. It's not exactly rocket science in this case.
Your rocket science is the entire issue. What was subtext in Alien is outright shown and stated in Prometheus, and yet lacking any meaning or context.

And there's far more evidence for the subtext in Alien than Giger's designs. Lambert's rape/kill, the ship called Mother, Ash's attack on Ripley etc.
 
Your rocket science is the entire issue. What was subtext in Alien is outright shown and stated in Prometheus, and yet lacking any meaning or context.

And there's far more evidence for the subtext in Alien than Giger's designs. Lambert's rape/kill, the ship called Mother, Ash's attack on Ripley etc.

Oh lord. Yes, it took super clever people to see how the alien's head looked like a penis. Pick your battle here, is Prometheus too overt or lacking entirely? Is Alien overtly sexual or subtle?

The way you talk about it someone pops up halfway through Prometheus and says "hey, look, we're raping all the people here now! Look at us rape! See that penis head snake with a vulva on it? It's super-sexual isn't it?" No, that no more happens in Prometheus than Alien. And in Alien it has no 'meaning or context' either, it's just a film with a lot of sexual imagery. What, exactly, is the meaning of all that imagery?
 
And there's far more evidence for the subtext in Alien than Giger's designs. Lambert's rape/kill, the ship called Mother, Ash's attack on Ripley etc.

You honestly don't think we couldn't find such things in Prometheus given enough time? Don't be that guy. And the ship was Nostromo.
 
So what is Prometheus saying with the sexual imagery? Alien was about male sexual agression, the Alien could rape and 'impregnate' a male, 'Mother' was 'contaminated' with a foreign body like a 'whore', the alien looks like a penis with teeth, it came from a spaceship uterus full of eggs, Ash tries to kill Ripley by violently shoving something down her throat in an environment full of pornography, and the only survivor was the woman who can handle male agression because she's had practice.

What was prometheus saying? A bunch of things that look like dicks and general sexualised violence does not a subtext make.

Like another Gaffer posted: engineers are sexless, reproduce only through suicide, created ultimate reproductive weapon. Ship is an euterus or whatever.

Basically, they are sexually frustrated. Or something.
 
Question: Is Prometheus really set in like 2091 or whatever the date was? As in, 80 years from today? Because, I coulda sworn one guy make a remark about Darwin being "5 centuries old" or something, which couldn't make any sense timeline wise. And, also, the obvious shit about like ... how the hell can there be such technology like that in 80 years.

So, before I write it off as another one of those "wtf SciFi are you serious?" timeline like things, was there something I missed about the timing? Is it really 2090, or is it like, 2090 in a new age, 2000 years after *our* current age?
 
Question: Is Prometheus really set in like 2091 or whatever the date was? As in, 80 years from today? Because, I coulda sworn one guy make a remark about Darwin being "5 centuries old" or something, which couldn't make any sense timeline wise. And, also, the obvious shit about like ... how the hell can there be such technology like that in 80 years.

So, before I write it off as another one of those "wtf SciFi are you serious?" timeline like things, was there something I missed about the timing? Is it really 2090, or is it like, 2090 in a new age, 2000 years after *our* current age?

Of the Human technology in the movie, what do you consider so far out of reach exactly? I'll point out that in 1920 cars were a new thing, Einstein was still figuring out relativity, and a passenger airliner wasn't really a thing yet.
 
Question: Is Prometheus really set in like 2091 or whatever the date was? As in, 80 years from today? Because, I coulda sworn one guy make a remark about Darwin being "5 centuries old" or something, which couldn't make any sense timeline wise. And, also, the obvious shit about like ... how the hell can there be such technology like that in 80 years.

So, before I write it off as another one of those "wtf SciFi are you serious?" timeline like things, was there something I missed about the timing? Is it really 2090, or is it like, 2090 in a new age, 2000 years after *our* current age?

Nope, it's 2089. Had to be before Alien was set (whenever that was, can't remember) and 2000 years after the birth of Jaysus if the Space Christ thing is to be believed.

Also, there was less of a gap between 1969 and 2001 and that worked out all right. I don't think the date's a deal breaker.
 
promethus 2 should start with shaw and head waking up on a beach with the space ship split in half. theres also a jungle next to them.
 
The original ship was designed to evoke fallopian tube/uterus imagery. Alien is dense with a quite brilliant sexual/reproductive subtext. Something Prometheus somehow seemed to miss/ignore despite Scott having helmed both...

That's because of H.R. Giger, who didn't work on Prometheus.
 
Question: Is Prometheus really set in like 2091 or whatever the date was? As in, 80 years from today? Because, I coulda sworn one guy make a remark about Darwin being "5 centuries old" or something, which couldn't make any sense timeline wise. And, also, the obvious shit about like ... how the hell can there be such technology like that in 80 years.

So, before I write it off as another one of those "wtf SciFi are you serious?" timeline like things, was there something I missed about the timing? Is it really 2090, or is it like, 2090 in a new age, 2000 years after *our* current age?

He said "three centuries." It bothered me too, but he didn't mean 300 hundred years, he meant the 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries.
 
Does anyone else wish the engineers had just been space jockeys as everyone originally imagined them instead of giant albinos in suits?

120 minutes of Noomi Rapace running away from space jockeys and proto-xenomorphs (or Stage 4 divine-looking xenomorphs like in that one Giger sketch) would have been so much better than what we got.

I knew the movie would suck once it became clear that the space jockeys were humanoids, but I didn't realize just how much it would suck.
 
Sorry that If been asked but I really some questions regarding David and any hints/answers will be appreciated.

1. Why does David poison Holloway? Is it because Holloway somehow "insulted" David? (those discussions about creators stuff) And does David have any real curiosity or emotions? I know crew mentioned in the movie that David doesn't have any real emotions but his behaviors always make me second guessing.

2. What did David say to the engineer? I thought it should correspond to the beginning of movie that David was learning several ancient languages but are there any hints of meaning of that conversation? (BTW it is irony that is the only conversation happened between an human created AI and an human "creator".)

3. I think movie implied that Shaw knows it is David who caused her LI died and the whole alien baby accident. And in the last part of movie, does David really wish Shaw to live through Engineer's attack or he just wants someone capable to repair himself and keep him "alive"? So he at least has some desire to live, right?

BTW does watching both alien movies help understand this movie better? Cuz neither my friend nor I watched alien/aliens before and we have a lot of unanswered question. If it helps a better understanding then we may rent and watch them someday.
 
Has this been posted?
Yes, many times.
The opening scene is meant to represent the terraforming of a planet. They continued to have contact with the planet after that as represented by the cave paintings in order to guide our evolution and then culture.
Why they wanted to kill the human race after fostering our development is explicitly left unanswered at the end of the film. The penultimate shot of the film is Shaw departing for the Engineer homeworld in search of an answer to this question. I personally wouldn't consider this a plot hole, but instead a setup for the sequel.

What we do know is that something happened roughly 2,000 years ago that prompted them prepare an invasion to destory/restart our world, yet some event occurred and they died before they could depart. It is implied that the event that killed them is linked to us and related to their interest in destroying/rebooting earth in the first place.
 
Does anyone else wish the engineers had just been space jockeys as everyone originally imagined them instead of giant albinos in suits?

120 minutes of Noomi Rapace running away from space jockeys and proto-xenomorphs (or Stage 4 divine-looking xenomorphs like in that one Giger sketch) would have been so much better than what we got.

I knew the movie would suck once it became clear that the space jockeys were humanoids, but I didn't realize just how much it would suck.

The enginners looked awsome to me....they have a misterious look too, i dont think the problems had anything to do with them, actually they look much more interesting than that giant octopus face blaster....
 
Your rocket science is the entire issue. What was subtext in Alien is outright shown and stated in Prometheus, and yet lacking any meaning or context.

And there's far more evidence for the subtext in Alien than Giger's designs. Lambert's rape/kill, the ship called Mother, Ash's attack on Ripley etc.

Not this shit again of Alien being a master of subtle sexual connotation (and fully realized characters). Prometheus had quite a few sexual scenes if you remember. The most shocking is something introduced in Alien, which is the facehugger that is in many ways orally raping a male by inserting a very phallic protusion down his throat and impregnating him.

A different type of phallic thing goes down Fifield's throat in the temple and seemingly impregnates him with something. Either way, the connotation to rape is there, and probably made most of the guys in the audience squirm. I believe it also happened at the end with the engineer that was impregnated by the giant squid/alien in the same fashion.

There's also a bit of sexual exploitation (and obviously experimentation) I believe, in how David experimented with Holloway when he knew that Holloway and Shaw would do the dirty.
 
Why does everyone hate the space jesus concept, exactly?

If someone suggested they were going to make a film about how we were really created by aliens millions of years ago who visited us regularly to check up on us, and who sent alien Jesus to teach us things but got royally pissed when we crucified him and wanted to annihilate us I'd say "Sure mate, that will be great on YouTube. They love that sort of thing!"

Oh, you're not talking YouTube. It's going to be a $200 million film?

And set in the Alien universe?

So everything that happens in every film actually comes down to killing Space Jesus in Biblical times and xenomorphs a plague sent by God?

No, stop. Please. No one would do this. It's ridiculous.

P R O M E T H E U S

Oh.
 
Why does everyone hate the space jesus concept, exactly?
I don't understand this either. 1) Scott specifically backed away from this (while still alluding to it) and 2) I wouldn't see this as a reason to hate the movie even if they had gotten closer to it.

I am totally baffled by the posts that say "I liked it when I left the theater but dislike it now that I know about space Jesus". I think it is a fun concept. Also, Lindelof said in an interview that, similar to the sacrifice engineer scene in this, he could imagine the sequel starting with a scene on earth 2,000 years ago depicting The Incident. No matter what it is not going to be a strait forward as literally Jesus as we know him from history/bible was an engineer. There is a story to tell there if they want to go that route.

If someone suggested they were going to make a film about how we were really created by aliens millions of years ago who visited us regularly to check up on us, and who sent alien Jesus to teach us things but got royally pissed when we crucified him and wanted to annihilate us I'd say "Sure mate, that will be great on YouTube. They love that sort of thing!"

Oh, you're not talking YouTube. It's going to be a $200 million film?

And set in the Alien universe?

So everything that happens in every film actually comes down to killing Space Jesus in Biblical times and xenomorphs a plague sent by God?

No, stop. Please. No one would do this. It's ridiculous.

P R O M E T H E U S

Oh.
I would love to see that movie.
 
I would have liked if the film was more explicit about space jesus just because it would have provided a better understanding of the engineers and possibly how the xenos tie into everything. At very least it might have given a motivation to the last engineer's rampage.
 
I would have liked if the film was more explicit about space jesus just because it would have provided a better understanding of the engineers and possibly how the xenos tie into everything. At very least it might have given a motivation to the last engineer's rampage.

I think they've made it pretty clear that their intentions with this movie is to make all of us question the motivations and reasons for what we see take place without spelling them out.

Whether Prometheus 2 answers any of those questions is up in the air, but I think the exercise of searching for the meaning is the goal...and they feel there is at least enough information in the movie to put you on their intended path.

It's a style that is obviously going to cause a lot of problems with viewers that are looking for a neat and tidy package.

...and this movie has other problems besides that core idea...but the core idea being as it is sets some people into a rage-spiral and the other issues in the movie just become more kindling for the fury-fire.
 
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