PS5 Fans Against Multiplatform Games Email Sony, Get Response
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ProtoByte
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This has always been a serious strawman and mischaracterization of the problem.
For one, it literally, indisputably devalues the *game* console if previously exclusive *games* are no longer exclusive. It's just that simple.
Second, this "well why can't everyone play" kumbaya nonsense has always been a shell game. Most households that possess either current gen console and buying any significant number of games per year are not strapped for cash such that the cannot afford to indulge in more than one platform. Certainly the PCMR with it's 1.5-2k+ rigs (and in order to run most AAAs these days, you're going to want a significantly better than mid-tier rig) and excessively large libraries aren't hurting that they couldn't buy a PS5. I'm not convinced gaming was ever an actually accessible hobby to lower income households, but if it was for a brief window in the 2000s, it definitely isn't now.
Thirdly and most important is that they won't just "keep making the games". Not to the quality that's been delivered before or even at the same pace (one of the reasons Wolverine is taking forever). It was all well and good when they were back porting shit that was actually built with the PS4 exclusively in mind, but almost as soon as this initiative to prep for easier/quicker porting, we got more technical problems in each major first party sequel than we've had from PS since basically the PS3. Days Gone is literally the only example of an outright shoddy first party release prior to that.
Incorrect. Whatever the quality of their exclusives, it's actually because of their exclusivity. There are games that literally wouldn't exist if not for the incentive structure behind exclusivity. But for a more direct one-one comparison of "well what would happen if the game wasn't exclusive when it was being made", the entire history of Spider-Man and really Marvel/IP licensed games in general provides a large body of evidence.
That we have to go through all of this again when we also have Microsoft and Sega as examples is a joke.
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BlackTron
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There are petty people like this, but maybe they just want to share free brand management tips because they love Playstation and don't want them to become a poorly managed asylum like Xbox. But if you're that smart, you're probably smart enough not to bother emailing them.
Punished Miku
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It's worse than that. Of course they'd like a streamlined open store console style experience. The truth is they can't switch. They're locked in.Most of these interactions boil down to
"If you release games on other platform there's no point in owning a Ps5 anymore"
"Ok so switch over to PC or Xbox"
"I don't want to"
mayham2199
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If it was just Sony porting to MS/Switch/PC then yea this would be my worry. Since everyone is doing it there's nothing to worry about because no one has any reason to leave their ecosystem now.
yogaflame
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At least Sony is engage and they respond. Maybe they are aware of the rage of PS fans right now. I hope PS management, have some dignity and not to greedy, and respect PS owners and fans. PS5 already won the console war, so common sense xbox lost the console war so they port there games to the winning side which is PS5. And is Sony not aware that box owners are trained by gamepass not to buy games?
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FoxMcChief
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StreetsofBeige
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1. If it devalues the console or brand so much then Sony execs wouldnt do it. Are you saying gamers know how to run Sony's gaming division (which is at record sales and profits) better than them? If anything Sony loves it. Not only are more ports coming, but they always brag how much PC sales are increasing.
2. If making games spread out across platforms making it easiest to just get a good rig to play games is so common, then everyone would just go PC. Not true at all one bit. Not only are you wrong saying it's not hard for people to just get a good rig because it isnt that hard to afford one, but not everyone wants to game on PC even if they can afford one. I dont. I play PC for small indie and boardgames and old school turnbased strategy that cost less than $10 on Steam/GOG. And the all skew to kb/m usage. I still buy indie shooters on console too though if it's a gamepad kind of game. I play the splashier games on console on my big TV. Not everyone wants to play games on a small monitor or in my case play on a laptop screen since I havent had a tower PC with a bigger monitor in almost 20 years. It's even a 4070 laptop gpu which is pretty decent and I still dont want to. I have zero interest hooking up my laptop to my 65" TV as I always have it on down the room to watch sports and business channels at the same time I'm using my laptop.
3. Nintendo first party games are consistently good. Xbox's are hit and miss. And so are PS especially during the PS3 and PS4 days. Even PS5.... Concord anyone? Concord will be remembered as among the biggest bombs in gaming history right there with Atari 2600's terrible ET and Pacman games. And Marathon (Sony's most recent upcoming first party game since they took over Bungie) looks like another bomb coming.
Among the best games out there people play are third party games. So let's not pretend only first parties make the best games people want and third party games are all junk.
If exclusives were so important, then everyone would game on PC since it has the most exclusive games. And it's BC so anyone can even play old games from the 80s if they really wanted to. But people still buy consoles and willing to pay online fees and higher game prices to boot. Thats because not everyone wants to pay for a PC rig and the nuances which they dont care for, combined with the advantages of a console. Console gaming isnt even just about exclusive games or lower harware prices or plug and play. Even just playing MP games on the couch with the fam is 10x more fun and doable on console than getting the gang to play sitting on PC chairs huddled around a PC monitor. Who the hell plays local MP games on a PC? PC gaming is a very isolated gaming platform people sit in a chair by themselves in a room.
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Why MS need fund ports from games releasing on PlayStation and PC?
yogaflame
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In longterm the nintendo strategy bear more fruit
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Now review bomb all PS games. If Sony bent the knee to PC gamers with HD2, it's time for them to understand that you don't mess with the PS Nation
Better act fast before it's too late
Better act fast before it's too late
Astray
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He has like 6 threads on that main page all raging about it.That guy has some incredible twitter-brain takes.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
I think it comes down to the Sony Only libraries.
There is a sizable portion of gamers that have ONLY played on a Sony machine. The entire library is on Sony. They want to be assured that they will always have a future machine to play that Library. The thought of moving to another platform is troubling.
It would be more constructive to write Sony a letter making sure they have replacement machines for whatever happens in the future.
I'm over here with my PC libraries.
Neener Neener Neener
There is a sizable portion of gamers that have ONLY played on a Sony machine. The entire library is on Sony. They want to be assured that they will always have a future machine to play that Library. The thought of moving to another platform is troubling.
It would be more constructive to write Sony a letter making sure they have replacement machines for whatever happens in the future.
I'm over here with my PC libraries.
Neener Neener Neener
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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That's too bad then.
Did you see the leak for TLOU Part 2 Xbox page? That probably wasn't a coincidence.
People have been trying to brush off it's fake, but the page actually exists, there's just no data on it ATM. Seems like it's been privated because you can't pop it up on a Google search anymore like you could a few weeks ago.
Same situation happened with Helldivers 2 and we've seen how that's playing out.
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MiguelItUp
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I'll never understand people freaking out about games going multiplatform. Choices are good, and this way you get a choice of where you want to play your games. I remember a time where everyone wished we no longer had exclusives. Where did those people go? Did they have a change of heart? Were they lying? Lol.
I never had issues with exclusives as they gave me reasons to own said system, but that being said I was never angry at the thought of them ending up somewhere else.
I never had issues with exclusives as they gave me reasons to own said system, but that being said I was never angry at the thought of them ending up somewhere else.
kapshin
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I thought they stopped making computers?People actually emailed Sony?
GudOlRub
Member
These people are just sad.
Absolute fucking retards.
There's tons of people who can't afford to buy other systems but can afford games every now and again. My first console since the Megadrive was a PS4 Pro, buying a PS2 or PS3 was never on the cards but you can bet I would've bough a bunch of Sony games if they ever came out on PC.
Regardless of what enterprises think it's best for business, as a consumer I cannot understand the way these people think and how they get so tribalistic with fucking videogames.
Absolute fucking retards.
There's tons of people who can't afford to buy other systems but can afford games every now and again. My first console since the Megadrive was a PS4 Pro, buying a PS2 or PS3 was never on the cards but you can bet I would've bough a bunch of Sony games if they ever came out on PC.
Regardless of what enterprises think it's best for business, as a consumer I cannot understand the way these people think and how they get so tribalistic with fucking videogames.
FoxMcChief
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Punished Miku
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Again, they have no choice. They're locked in. They are never switching. The games aren't going to get any worse either.
The only logical reason they are mad is they feel betrayed because they aren't getting "the best." People on other systems have better subs (GP), better hardware (PC), better portability (Switch), and will still be able to play some of these very few number of games Sony puts out. They don't even like Sony right now. They're just mad that they're stuck and don't know what else to do about it. That's my theory anyway.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I think they do the right thing by voicing their concerns. It's just that I think that they have many things to complain about before exclusives going multiplatform.
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coachmcguirk91
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Sony should just go completely open platform next generation, like Xbox. They would sell a shit ton of consoles and could still keep timed exclusivity on their games. It would literally make the next gen Xbox obsolete. Sony will surely lose some sales to Steam and Epic, but the majority of Sony's revenue is already coming from the top 10 gaas games. It would also be great for their studios if they did this
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Fess
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That's why Sony need to do that launcher for PC, where you log in with your usual account and have trophies and saves and licenses synced from the console. They're so close already when you log in to PSN.
People laugh at Microsoft and their failed launcher nobody wants to use, but that launcher is literally the reason why it's such a smooth transition for Xbox gamers to go from console to PC. You don't feel like you're jumping ship. There are still true console exclusives but for new 1st party games I think it's all there on PC and so is Gamepass and your decades old Gamerscore and earned achievements.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
FOMO of others having a better game version than them, especially on PC.
tanners
Member
response proper translation:
We recived you angry letter and we have 0.01% chance to ever read it, And we usually don't give a crap about you option&community
Goodbye,Sucker
Punished Miku
Gaslighter Pro: 16.7 Fireflops
A lot of people lie about almost every single thing related to Sony this gen. If Sony allowed you to launch all your games on PC if you choose people would fucking love it. That's why you have to ignore what they say and dig a little deeper to find out what they even think about anything. Just lie after lie. Gamepass sucks, but everyone was losing their mind over getting Lies of P yesterday a year later on PS+. They probably don't even know why they're sending these emails because there is so much cognitive dissonance.
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digoutyoursoul
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Even a whiff of such a leak would have caused a bigger explosion than a rhinos arse after eating six crates of curry powder.
They can complain all they want, after all they are PlayStation clients, you are not. So between them and you, it's clear to me, who is the retard here,
NuclearDiarrhea
Member
What forum is that?
They need to hear my thoughts on Sony's First Party third person cinematic movie games. Its important.
GudOlRub
Member
Damn... my PS4 and my PS5 are fake then?
Fucking hell, I never would've guessed
Exclusives make sense when consoles have significant differences in performance and features. That makes it increasingly difficult, especially for smaller developers, to release games on multiple systems.
There aren't dramatic differences in capabilities between PS5 and Series X. I would argue that one of the main reasons to prefer the PS5 over the Xbox is the controller. I would much rather play racing games on the PS5 for example, that take advantage of its haptic feedback and adaptive triggers. Meanwhile, the Series X with disc drive is much better with video playback and as a home entertainment hub.
I wouldn't put the Switch 2 in that category, because it has major appeal as a handheld and targets a different market.
There aren't dramatic differences in capabilities between PS5 and Series X. I would argue that one of the main reasons to prefer the PS5 over the Xbox is the controller. I would much rather play racing games on the PS5 for example, that take advantage of its haptic feedback and adaptive triggers. Meanwhile, the Series X with disc drive is much better with video playback and as a home entertainment hub.
I wouldn't put the Switch 2 in that category, because it has major appeal as a handheld and targets a different market.
yogaflame
Member
They should have included in the complains against woke infestation especially twisted gender ideology crap on some of the big PS games.
StreetsofBeige
Member
It's funny because gaming platform wars is the only you really see in tech. I dont see anyone moaning about hoping PC, DVD/BR player, TV or stereo brands have exclusive content. Everyone buys the brand and model they want and expect all content available to be played on all models. They want content interchangeable because priorities are having everything available and if you buy a different brand later they want it all to still work. No different than an old DVD movie I got can be played on my old PS2, 360, Panasonic home theatre system or my old laptops which had an optical drive.I'll never understand people freaking out about games going multiplatform. Choices are good, and this way you get a choice of where you want to play your games. I remember a time where everyone wished we no longer had exclusives. Where did those people go? Did they have a change of heart? Were they lying? Lol.
I never had issues with exclusives as they gave me reasons to own said system, but that being said I was never angry at the thought of them ending up somewhere else.
Nobody goes around hoping..... Hmmmm.... I hope Sony locks in Sony TV/movie content only for Sony DVD players. And then a Samsung user in return goes..... Hmmmm.... And I hope Samsung does their own exclusive content for their DVD players so we can all feel like going back in time to when we were 7 years old and I didnt want my friend to play with my Transformer because I was the only brat who had it on the block.
A Sony TV or DVD guy doesnt care if a Samsung or LG customer can play the exact same content. The only headbutting you get is Apple vs PC/Android, but most content will be available on both and nobody cares. Heck, can you still run Windows stuff on Macs if you partition your drive to run Windows and Office like the old days? I dont think any PC fan gives a shit if a Mac user can run that. And I dont think any Apple fan cares a PC user can run Apple apps on a Dell.
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Zacfoldor
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It comes down to false advertising.
If you claim an exclusive to get me to buy then later make that game not exclusive, then you have falsely advertised to get my purchase.
An example would be the XSX or PS5. Both consoles launched specifically with the promise of exclusive games and now instead have few or no exclusive games because after the games came out they were subsequently ported to competing devices. Thus we were cheated.
If Xbox would have told me they would release a great deal of their exclusives on PS5 when I bought my XSX at the start of this gen, then I might have made a different decision. Because of this I currently do not need a XSX but it is too late. This change in strategy has cost me the price of an XSX. At least Nintendo is honest with you. MS and Sony want to tell you something pretty while they do their dark work.
Let's take it a step further. Say a carnival barker is selling hats. He announces he is down to 1 hat and you better hurry if you want it. You were indecisive but decided to purchase. You purchase and as soon as he has your money, he pulls out another hat and stats yelling he is down to 1 hat and buyers better hurry. That is this.
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tanners
Member
MacOS do get some exclusive appcations like Final cut/Logic X/iLife kit that PC don't have.
iOS features iMessage and Facetime that Android cannot used to this day
StreetsofBeige
Member
Fair enough. There are surely going to be Apple only or PC only software.
But do Apple and PC users go ape shit like console warrior walled gardens those programs are exclusive?
StreetsofBeige
Member
It's not really false advertising unless they said it would be forever.
If a company says they are selling orange juice for $3, but next year they discontinue the product or they jack up the price to $4 is that false advertising too? They never said it's be available forever for $3.
tanners
Member
Apple fanboy are most hated fanboys ever L
The Mac&PC war was on full heat on 90's,and even expand to 2000's thanks to Apple's infamous Get A Mac commercial
I'd think so, too. Apparently there are people who like to be part of an exclusive community and take joy out of something others can't experience. Like people who think they are "better" when they discovered a band/album before it gets popular by a TV series.
This behaviour usually boils down to a need that is otherwise not satisfied. These people miss something in their life and try to "fix" that with their exclusive hobby and community. Ultimately people want to feel good and some people are doing "weird" things to achieve that.