I'm sure many people had similar thoughts about the Sony Walkman before Apple released their first iPod.
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PS5 is already PlayStation's most successful Console by $ in the US & 3rd most successful Console overall
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The PS3 had Haze. Checkmate.
Sure, a hybrid handheld console directly competes with much more powerful home consoles. And convertible cars directly compete with SUVs because both are cars. As for PC, like I said, that is not an apples to apples comparison for multiple reasons, please re-read my previous post.
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RetroGamingUK
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HeWhoWalks
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Unfortunately, you'll get a bigger reply from the crickets than anyone looking to truly absorb this.
Otherwise, you are 100% correct.
I mean, yeah? Why wouldn't you have the same energy with Nintendo? I forgot, they are best-known as the most consumer friendly company with great online services and reasonable prices.
FoxMcChief
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I guess Sony does keep repeating the same mistake. Acquire a dev, let them make a shit game, then close them done.
HeWhoWalks
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Uh, that's the point...
GHG
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These people haven't lived in the real world for well over a decade now, so here's to another decade for them.
HeWhoWalks
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When did Sony own Free Radical? When did they close down after Haze failed?
FoxMcChief
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You know what, I might have been thinking of Lair.
HeWhoWalks
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Sony never owned Factor 5 either.
neocycle
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Fire all Trans cultists and DEI parasites. Done.
Which is not likely to happen. The only company that would have the potential would be Apple but they would have to heavily invest in studios to do it which I don’t think they would care to do. I think the future is going to be hybrid/console and PC base. Sony is the last console Brand that will be of what we know of as traditional console. The end game is a an open PC with a PlayStation logo slapped on it.
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blacktout
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Someone post Sony financial charts that shows PS1,2,3,4 and 5 performance for this poor soul
Regardless of whatever your silly agenda is here, I would love to see inflation-adjusted hardware dollar sales charts. For Sony, for Microsoft, for Nintendo, I don't care. I just think the data would be super interesting and I don't think I've seen them online anywhere.
HeWhoWalks
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Because this view is about as overblown as it gets.
Last time I checked, they released several bangers last year, the year before that, and the year prior as well. That Concord exists (the only thing anyone can really even point at when presenting this tired argument) doesn't negate all the other good that has come from their current device. Clearly the market agrees.
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FoxMcChief
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Then I stand corrected. They just continue to make exclusive deals with devs that ultimately regret it, like SE with Final Fantasy.
Imtjnotu
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What bangers from sony came last year outside of Astro?
nowhat
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I don't follow "pro" "wrestling". Soap operas can be fun and all, but ehh, I have enough drama in my regular life. Having said that, that is a legit great sideways somersault or whachamacallit, the athleticism is awesome.But but it's worse than the PS3.
...oh, and also, LOL Xbox.
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HeWhoWalks
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So..... one dev. And it's a dev who always complains about supposed "flops" no matter what the platform.
They could always follow Microsoft's lead and close studios like Tango despite releasing good games, but fortunately, they're on a more successful path with their brand. Flops and closures happen. Has been that way since long before they entered the scene (there were plenty on the NES and SEGA consoles in the 80s and 90s). Unless a company's games continue to flop/fail and tank their brand (Microsoft and SEGA could tell you a thing or two about this). However, Sony is clearly doing enough right. All other pointless speculation is that and nothing else.
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bitbydeath
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It was Xbox 360’s success that led to us paying to play online. That competition can fuck right off.
Why are you acting so surprised? "Console by $", so it cannot be directly compared with other products. Things are getting more and more expensive, especially the electronics in the last few years. Not only inflation, but the society changes and gaming is a mainstream activity nowadays. And yeah, let's pretend that revenues tell us the full story of company's success lol
PlayStation 5 doesn't have a competition and the brand is basically an epitome for a games console in a bigger chunk of the globe. Xbox did a very good job during the 360 era and then they just blew it. Can't blame Sony for taking advantage of that.
The reactions here are hilarious.
PlayStation 5 doesn't have a competition and the brand is basically an epitome for a games console in a bigger chunk of the globe. Xbox did a very good job during the 360 era and then they just blew it. Can't blame Sony for taking advantage of that.
The reactions here are hilarious.
Where did my post suggest Apple were going to enter a console race?
You were invoking a rose tinted view of Sony's past in the console space in order to predict an assured future of long term success for PlayStation. I was pointing out how a more innovative company spectacularly ate Sony's lunch overnight in a sector where they had previously been long term market leaders. That should certainly provide some pause for thought for someone who is as invested in PlayStation sales as you are.
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HeWhoWalks
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We're sincerely going to ignore Helldivers II and all of the other successful 3rd party deals and games they published?
That tells me everything.
Huh? Not sure what are you trying to say. The post I replied to seemed to me like it's trying to say Switch directly competes with PS because most people don't seem to think Nintendo needs more competition.
What I meant is I don't consider Switch a direct competitor to current PS and I think it would be better for consumers if both Nintendo and PS had more competition.
HeWhoWalks
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That's the point. He's saying, rightfully, that it's often slung only at Sony.
No matter what you consider, they are all competitors competing for your dollar. That's how this works. That Microsoft shit the bed doesn't make Nintendo, or Steam, any less of a competitor to PlayStation.
How do scalpers influence anything when it is cumulative? The scalpers would have no effect on numbers today because they were converted to real users already. There is no real scalper stock of PS5 units right now. Especially in the US.
Shaki12345
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People buy PS because they like to play Madden and FIFA for 6 hours a week and drink beer and yell and then forget about it 3 years later.
kiphalfton
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Like I said, gave a big boost the first 2 years.
Scalping resulted in a scarcity effect; scalpers bought up stock, it was harder to come across, suddenly it gained a lot more attention, and everybody was trying to buy.
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RetroGamingUK
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There was nothing tying people to Walkman though, those CDs and Minidiscs could be played on devices by any company.
PlayStation locked many people in with digital downloads during the PS4 generation, hence why Phil Spencer has thrown in the towel on the console war.
If Microsoft couldn’t beat them, who could at this point?
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
That bubble is called earth, maybe you should come down to it once you deflate the gas from sniffing Sony's farts.
People and even the media has called out Sony for this for the last 3 years
It's not a opinion of people in a "bubble" Sony acknowledges it and gave their excuses.
It's a reality which you refuse to accept, and if you're happy with their output, then good for you.
Keep in that bubble.
Don't get me wrong, 3rd party is fantastic
But just because something is selling, especially considering the competition
Doesn't mean everyone is happy with Sony's output
Star War IX did a billion at the box office, doesn't mean it was good.
GHG
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Because the game is no longer available.
That's what happens when a fanbase give honest feedback and reject utter slop instead of shoveling it down and rallying behind it in the hope that one day they might accidentally shit out something that resembles a good game.
playbignbox
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Convenience. More than half of the base were PlayStation users in the last generation. I regret not having gone to PC Gaming sooner, because PlayStation is no longer worth it.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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360’s success is also what led to the birth of microtransactions on consoles. MS and Bethesda pioneered Horse Armor back in the day on the 360.
The first 2 years were hindered by a chip shortage that lowered stock and revenue, not boost it. All the scalpers did was use it for profit. They don't have an effect on the retail revenue of the console. Their 'second hand' scalper prices are not included in the total.
HeWhoWalks
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Why will most people need a PS6 etc to play their 3/4 forever games when in the near future they will be able to play them through a smart tv? More worryingly for Sony, in this hardware agnostic future where content is king, they have a vanishingly small number of relevant properties. Look at the top 20 monthly most played charts for evidence of this.
kiphalfton
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I never said scalper prices were attributed to total revenue.
What I said is more units sold in a given period of time.
Units sold is directly proportional to revenue coming in.
More units sold, more revenue coming in.
From the threads here I've gathered that switch 2 is so powerful it's better than ps5 pro so that's where the hard-core are gonna be for gta6 ...
I mean, in such a broad sense pretty much every company selling some product is competing with each other. Still doesn't change the fact Xbox is/was the most direct competition for PlayStation and I don't get how can anyone think losing such competition can be a good thing. Well, I get it, it's because those people are "console warriors", but I still find it ridiculous.
Imtjnotu
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I'm talking sony studios
Not third party. Not second party like the helldivers deal.
SONY STUDIOS
Also need the same energy with PC. Which supposedly isn't competing with PS and a "totally different market"...yet at the same time is going to completely take over PS marketshare and make consoles go extinct according to PCMR. Sounds like pretty serious competition then...
This was needed to be said for a long time.
RetroGamingUK
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Says the guy who thinks that Series S will benefit more from GTA6 than PlayStation 5
So why didn't it have the same affect on Xbox Series?
HeWhoWalks
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Because if that competition isn't actually competing, then what use is it? Xbox is far less of a threat than the next Switch for example. In the business, which is what these companies care about, Switch 2 can easily scoop PlayStation customers because they don't have to release the same types of games to be a notable competitor. Nintendo fans (and the industry at large) know what to expect from a Nintendo platform. Bangers. Very much like a PlayStation and what the PS6 will experience.
The only reason we're talking about Xbox in this way is because of what happened during the 360's tenure and much of that took Sony's cooperation. Before and after that console, PlayStation has largely had very little threatening competition from Xbox as a brand.
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HeWhoWalks
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I mean, you can all cap SONY STUDIOS till your fingers fall off. Third party exclusives still help a console and clearly did so in 2024 for PS5. This is on top of the fact that the most critically acclaimed PS5 game (Astro) and best selling exclusive (Helldivers II) are both the properties of S O N Y S T U D I O S.
No one outside of forums like these gives a shit about 1st vs 2nd vs 3rd Party. They know that Helldivers II and Astro can only be enjoyed on one home console. That's what matters and why Sony is in this position (considering you claimed that you "didn't get why").
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Imtjnotu
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OH boy... Still waiting on these bangers you speak of.
Astro didn't move the needle sales wise.
HELLDIVERS 2 didn't either
Again... With Sony's first party abysmal output I'm surprised they are doing this well this gen.
Yep. It's not a palatable thought for some of us but the mass market will decide.Cloud gaming
I never said that. I thought a few months ago that the Series S could potentially get a boost from GTA6 as it will be the most cost effective platform to play the game on. However, given the stock issues there are with the Series X/S and the "everything is an Xbox" campaign, I'm not expecting it to move the needle much.