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I never said scalper prices were attributed to total revenue.

What I said is more units sold in a given period of time.

Units sold is directly proportional to revenue coming in.

More units sold, more revenue coming in.

But what you're saying makes no sense since this isn't for a given period of time that includes any scalper stock. It's cumulative today, meaning all that stock has been converted to real users and the effect of scalpers is zero. If there was actually scalpers who had stock today then you would have a point but there isn't. They have had no effect on the cumulative figures as of now.

If you were saying this 2 years from release and speculating that "had scalpers not bought said stock then real sales might be slower" then possibly because it accelerates then corrects as those reach real users (doesn't boost overall sales). The figures you're looking at right now 4 years on have not been influenced by scalpers at all.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

OH boy... Still waiting on these bangers you speak of.


Astro didn't move the needle sales wise.

HELLDIVERS 2 didn't either


Again... With Sony's first party abysmal output I'm surprised they are doing this well this gen.

Just as I am waiting on you to make a point.

What magic needle are you looking for to answer your initial question, sir? Both sold well, reviewed well, and PlayStation numbers are up in the US (so far). What else are you looking for here?

 

[SweetTooth]

Imagine if PS5 never faced a 2 years shortage, thing would have passed 85m by now

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Imagine if PS5 never faced a 2 years shortage, thing would have passed 85m by now

Easily.

 

[Jakk]

Because if that competition isn't actually competing, then what use is it? Xbox is far less of a threat than the next Switch for example. In the business, which is what these companies care about, Switch 2 can easily scoop PlayStation customers because they don't have to release the same types of games to be a notable competitor. Nintendo fans (and the industry at large) know what to expect from a Nintendo platform. Bangers. Very much like a PlayStation and what the PS6 will experience.

The only reason we're talking about Xbox in this way is because of what happened during the 360's tenure and much of that took Sony's cooperation. Before and after that console, PlayStation has largely had very little threatening competition from Xbox as a brand.

Well it's of no use if it isn't competing, that's the point, I think people should wish for healthy competition in the home console space for PS, that's what I have been saying since the beginning.

As for Switch 2 being a significant threat to PS5/PS6 or vice versa, I guess we can agree to disagree. In my eyes, those are very different consoles with different experiences. If Sony/MS decide to make a handheld/hybrid console, then that would be a different story.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Well it's of no use if it isn't competing, that's the point, I think people should wish for healthy competition in the home console space for PS, that's what I have been saying since the beginning.

As for Switch 2 being a significant threat to PS5/PS6 or vice versa, I guess we can agree to disagree. In my eyes, those are very different consoles with different experiences. If Sony/MS decide to make a handheld/hybrid console, then that would be a different story.

His point was a solid one, that's all I'm saying. We can banter about who is/isn't reasonable competition another time.

 

[Elios83]

OH boy... Still waiting on these bangers you speak of.


Astro didn't move the needle sales wise.

HELLDIVERS 2 didn't either


Again... With Sony's first party abysmal output I'm surprised they are doing this well this gen.

You're surprised because you pretend to not understand that people don't buy a console based on who's making the games and under which contract they're published or developed.
They look at the whole package and the whole lineup.

Also there's nothing abysmal about their lineup, they released great games every year, they'll continue to do so this year with Ghost of Yotei, Death Stranding 2 and other surprises.
In the real world people don't give a fuck they have cancelled a few gaas titles.
That's just news to get some people waste their time online.

 

[Fess]

It had SEGA + Nintendo

Dreamcast was discontinued a year after PS2 launched. GC sold just over 20m ww.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Yep. It's not a palatable thought for some of us but the mass market will decide.

The mass market decided

 

[yogaflame]

Sony has to be thankful to its loyal and patient fans, including me, despite of the many blunders. Sony is given another chance this year and its a good decision to abandon the live service and gaas initiative. Hopefully Sony will first abandon woke infested DEI initiative, and second go back to focusing on single player exclusives, and 3rd stop porting there exclusives to other platforms.

 

[MarV0]

3rd most successful console lol. Gaming industry has grown 10 fold, talk about total stagnation.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

3rd most successful console lol. Gaming industry has grown 10 fold, talk about total stagnation.

It’s only half way through it’s lifespan

 

[Radical_3d]

GTA6 and the collapse of Xbox will give them a big boost in 2025.

And that’s despite their first party 2025 lineup looking relatively meh.

Relatively?

 

[yogaflame]

3rd most successful console lol. Gaming industry has grown 10 fold, talk about total stagnation.

It is just the 4th year of Ps5 life cycle. 4 more years to go for ps5 , and with Ps5 pro, it will continue to grow. Ps sales will also be helped by Sony going back to focusing on single player exclusives and Asian developers are a big help to increase interest which increases the sales.

 

[TheGodfather07]

After 50 months on the market : (US only)

Wii : 34.210.000
PS2 : 25.670.000
PS5 : 24.710.000
PS4 : 22.960.000
XB1 : 20.130.000
360 : 18.630.000
PS1 : 17.930.000
X|S : 16.100.000
N64 : 15.570.000
PS3 : 15.460.000
XBX : 13.920.000
NGC : 10.720.000
WiiU : 5.500.000
SDC : 4.100.000
SAT : 1.310.000

 

[onQ123]

3rd most successful console lol. Gaming industry has grown 10 fold, talk about total stagnation.

That's in 4 years.

 

[nial]

OH boy... Still waiting on these bangers you speak of.


Astro didn't move the needle sales wise.

HELLDIVERS 2 didn't either


Again... With Sony's first party abysmal output I'm surprised they are doing this well this gen.

So are you focused on the quality of those games or their sales? I imagine you should naturally lean into the first option, but hey, maybe that won't help your ""abysmal first-party output"" point.

 

[Thaimasker]

They'll see it when they realize how hard selling a PS6 is because of their conduct with the PS5.

edit: The reactions to this post so far are very Xbox fanboy circa 2018-2020. Don't be dumb enough to just allow PS to act like this and be surprised when the PS6 is in freefall. There's no excuse, we've already got an example.

But people see their conduct now and are still buying globally unlike Xbox then. If Nintendo can bounce back from the wii U.. Sony can bounce back from this Gen being underwhelming so far. You also don't take into account that the Gen isn't over, they could finish super strong with exclusives like the PS3.. They could start the PS6 Gen strong with must haves.

But really, most people buy Playstation for 3rd party console experience. They don't rely on exclusives like Nintendo. Casuals will buy a PS6 for CoD, next Gen GTA, new sports games, etc etc it's the default console unlike Xbox in 2020

 

[pulicat]

After 50 months on the market : (US only)

Wii : 34.210.000
PS2 : 25.670.000
PS5 : 24.710.000
PS4 : 22.960.000
XB1 : 20.130.000
360 : 18.630.000
PS1 : 17.930.000
X|S : 16.100.000
N64 : 15.570.000
PS3 : 15.460.000
XBX : 13.920.000
NGC : 10.720.000
WiiU : 5.500.000
SDC : 4.100.000
SAT : 1.310.000

Nintendo Switch - 26.965.000

 

[ProtoByte]

But people see their conduct now and are still buying globally unlike Xbox then. If Nintendo can bounce back from the wii U.. Sony can bounce back from this Gen being underwhelming so far. You also don't take into account that the Gen isn't over, they could finish super strong with exclusives like the PS3.

They aren't going to. It's cooked.
By virtue of so many live services greenlit at their SP studios, they only have the remaining few on the board:

Ghost of Yotei - Soft reception to one of their less excellently selling IP last gen
Death Stranding 2 - LOL
Intergalactic: The Heretic Game - Seriously?
Wolverine - Working against leaks and having creative troubles
Cory Barlog's new IP - Who knows if this will even be ready by the end of this gen. And let's just hope Barlog doesn't go all Neil Druckmann and flip the bird at the audience with what will be at least an 8 year project.

I have the most faith in Wolverine. I think Intergalactic is going to force ND to reform.

They could start the PS6 Gen strong with must haves.

For their sake, they better.

But really, most people buy Playstation for 3rd party console experience. They don't rely on exclusives like Nintendo. Casuals will buy a PS6 for CoD, next Gen GTA, new sports games, etc etc it's the default console unlike Xbox in 2020

Most people buy PS for one or two of their exclusive IP AND 3rd parties. Time to admit it people, Sony has provided a pipeline from PS to PC. It mvst be closed.

Other than third parties aren't doing their part either. Getting a high appeal game that actually delivers on quality is rare. Last year was a bad year for vidya releases.

GTA might be the one, but we just don't know. I'm looking at the list of known upcoming titles, and I'm not feeling too confident.

 

[drganon]

Yep. It's not a palatable thought for some of us but the mass market will decide.



I never said that. I thought a few months ago that the Series S could potentially get a boost from GTA6 as it will be the most cost effective platform to play the game on. However, given the stock issues there are with the Series X/S and the "everything is an Xbox" campaign, I'm not expecting it to move the needle much.

The market has already decided the fates of xbox and cloud gaming. Neither are good.

 

[Bernardougf]

Its like saying since Netflix posted record profits last year that Netflix is better than ever

Yeah... strawmaning maximus

But I guess the shareholders are happy
... if they are happy we must be.. right ? Right ?

 

[ProtoByte]

The false reality that xbox was doing great collapsed around some people so now the false reality they're creating is that PS is doing really bad.

It's obviously not doing really bad at the moment, but the cracks are forming.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Well... I have 2 systems. Pro for my self and regular for my son. so I would like to think I helped them get there.

with that being said. I think their success is because of the Switch is too old by now. the Xbox is killing it self. so till the Switch 2, the PS5 is the only system that is considered a main gate to gaming between Xbox and Playstation.

like ... who the hell will buy an Xbox when their games on Playstation + Playstation exclusives on PlayStation ?

So it's not that the PS5 is awesome that is driving the sales, it's just there is no competition.

With that being said. I got the PS5 pro yesterday along with disc drive ( funny how I got the PS5 pro sealed for 560$ US off someone on facebook marketplace. ). I think thats a price I am ok to pay for PS5 pro. add to that 100$ for disc dive ? 660$ including everything is a pretty sweet deal.

and I gotta admit. I like the look of the system. the 3 strips make it look really good and its slimmer or smaller than my fat ps5. looks sick.

 

[Bernardougf]

Hilarious how many people here judge a console generation by sales. Acting more like Sony execs than actual gamers. Also, celebrating the fact that PlayStation's direct competition is pretty much dying is incredibly stupid from the consumer's standpoint. But I guess people blinded by some ridiculous console wars just aren't capable of seeing it.

It depends on the bias .. search some old xbox topics and you will easily find a lot of "what matters is only the first party games"

 

[m14]

The market has already decided the fates of xbox and cloud gaming. Neither are good.

Cloud gaming is still in its infancy. Content will be king and Sony's content is struggling for any relevancy. Even worse, they don't have the instincts or the ability to innovate which would allow them to better adapt to a rapidly changing industry. Sony's desperation to create a "forever" game lead to the biggest flop not just in gaming, but the entertainment industry as a whole. PlayStation is facing an existential crisis. Most people aren't playing their first party games and at some point they will likely have no need for their consoles either.

 

[bitbydeath]

OH boy... Still waiting on these bangers you speak of.


Astro didn't move the needle sales wise.

HELLDIVERS 2 didn't either


Again... With Sony's first party abysmal output I'm surprised they are doing this well this gen.

HD2 sold 12M in 3 months, fastest selling PlayStation game ever.

Helldivers 2 has sold over 12 million copies, making it the fastest-selling PlayStation game ever: 'There are more Helldivers than there are Swedes'​

Helldivers 2 has sold over 12 million copies, making it the fastest-selling PlayStation game ever: 'There are more Helldivers than there are Swedes'

This is democracy manifest.

www.pcgamer.com

 

[Vroadstar]

It's obviously not doing really bad at the moment, but the cracks are forming.

 

[saintjules]

analog_future says different

 

[Imtjnotu]

HD2 sold 12M in 3 months, fastest selling PlayStation game ever.

Helldivers 2 has sold over 12 million copies, making it the fastest-selling PlayStation game ever: 'There are more Helldivers than there are Swedes'

This is democracy manifest.

www.pcgamer.com

We're talking console numbers not game sales... This game is about console sales... Why can't yall keep up...

 

[Imtjnotu]

You're surprised because you pretend to not understand that people don't buy a console based on who's making the games and under which contract they're published or developed.
They look at the whole package and the whole lineup.

Also there's nothing abysmal about their lineup, they released great games every year, they'll continue to do so this year with Ghost of Yotei, Death Stranding 2 and other surprises.
In the real world people don't give a fuck they have cancelled a few gaas titles.
That's just news to get some people waste their time online.

Sorry bro. It's a sad day to be a sony fan when you can only name one first party game for 2025.

 

[bitbydeath]

We're talking console numbers not game sales... This game is about console sales... Why can't yall keep up...

We don’t have any recent numbers.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

They can't win with some people here.

Produce GAAS .. Bad
Cancel GAAS... Bad

That's why people should let Sony just do their thing.

And if people don't like it, just move onto other platforms.
Life can be that simple.

 

[TheGodfather07]

We're talking console numbers not game sales... This game is about console sales... Why can't yall keep up...

isnt PS5 ahead of PS4 aligned in US and Japan? It's only Europe where its down. You said it yourself that your surprised they're doing this well. Doesn't that tell you something? There's a disconnect between online messages boards and actual reality.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I think this gen has been the biggest example of fans of a brand screaming about success of sales with less quality games than ever.

It's a shame.

There's pretty much a one horse race going on and people celebrating that the horse is winning.

It's crazy to witness, imo.

 

[Moses85]

With no games.

 

[DavidGzz]

Ok. Where games doe

 

[GigaBowser]

dont care bout no revenue crud I want NEW games

 

[CartesianMan]

Great console—one of the worst console generations in history. It didn’t move the needle of the gaming experience at all. Less loading time and physical games, I guess

 

[Felessan]

Sony has to be thankful to its loyal and patient fans, including me, despite of the many blunders. Sony is given another chance this year and its a good decision to abandon the live service and gaas initiative. Hopefully Sony will first abandon woke infested DEI initiative, and second go back to focusing on single player exclusives, and 3rd stop porting there exclusives to other platforms.

Sony is thankful to young adult, who plays Fortnite, those bring half of their revenue, and CoD/FIFA players those bring majority of the rest.
And no, Sony will not abandon their gaas initiative, it's a pipe dream.
People leaving in a delusional bubble here don't want to admit that they are quickly becoming a small minority out of whole gaming (even console gaming) population. Look at engagement charts, Circana just got out - there are rarely any SP games appear on those.

I think this gen has been the biggest example of fans of a brand screaming about success of sales with less quality games than ever.

It's just show how a few (forum dwellers) got completelly disconnected with mass-market that moved on from their obsession (over SP games)

Great console—one of the worst console generations in history. It didn’t move the needle of the gaming experience at all. Less loading time and physical games, I guess

It do, just not to your liking. PS5 is a generation where service games dominate console space with large amount of new games of high quality.

 

[MrJangles]

Lifetime dollar sales ranking Honestly, who gives an absolute toss? Desperation from Sony fans with their arses put out of joint that Nintendo has been making the headlines the past week.

Wow, what an amazing incredibly intetesting accomplishment. Where does it rank in lifetime white console colour sales? Or biggest console heatsink sales? We need more figures GODDAMNIT!!!

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I think this gen has been the biggest example of fans of a brand screaming about success of sales with less quality games than ever.

It's a shame.

There's pretty much a one horse race going on and people celebrating that the horse is winning.

It's crazy to witness, imo.

What's crazy is how quickly you pivoted from Xbox is doing well to Xbox is fine to this generation has been bad for everyone...

isnt PS5 ahead of PS4 aligned in US and Japan? It's only Europe where its down. You said it yourself that your surprised they're doing this well. Doesn't that tell you something? There's a disconnect between online messages boards and actual reality.

Up 7% in the US and up 10% in Japan despite the late launch of the Pro model and GTA6 and Monster Hunter Wilds both launching this year or maybe GTA6 next year.

Europe has been in a massive recession, but PS5 is still pretty close to PS4 globally despite the increased price, the shortages early, greater cross gen period, and the late launch of the PS5 Pro...

Once GTA6 launched, the PS5 will be globally ahead of the PS4. Once EA FC, CoD, and Madden drop support for PS4, many people will move over. If all this happens in 2025, expect it to be a really strong year for PlayStation, probably stronger than last year. It'll be interesting to see their forecast for the fiscal year.

 

[Vroadstar]

I think this gen has been the biggest example of fans of a brand screaming about success of sales with less quality games than ever.

It's a shame.

There's pretty much a one horse race going on and people celebrating that the horse is winning.

It's crazy to witness, imo.

Swiss guy at it again. It's totally the winner's fault his favorite console couldn't hack it. Clearly, that's the most logical conclusion.

 

[DenchDeckard]

What's crazy is how quickly you pivoted from Xbox is doing well to Xbox is fine to this generation has been bad for everyone...



Up 7% in the US and up 10% in Japan despite the late launch of the Pro model and GTA6 and Monster Hunter Wilds both launching this year or maybe GTA6 next year.

Europe has been in a massive recession, but PS5 is still pretty close to PS4 globally despite the increased price, the shortages early, greater cross gen period, and the late launch of the PS5 Pro...

Once GTA6 launched, the PS5 will be globally ahead of the PS4. Once EA FC, CoD, and Madden drop support for PS4, many people will move over. If all this happens in 2025, expect it to be a really strong year for PlayStation, probably stronger than last year. It'll be interesting to see their forecast for the fiscal year.

No, it's clear after the last year that Xbox is bowing out and that's just the reality we are in. I was hoping they would put up more of a fight in the console space but they have thrown in the towel on hardware it seems.

No stock available in Europe or UK. US seems to be bad too.

Their game output seems to be improving greatly. Last year was awesome. This year looks to be pretty insane.

This gen has been pretty bad for output from Sony, imo. You don't have to agree and that's fine

 

[onQ123]

analog_future says different

My post on the 1st page of that thread

Post in thread 'Has the PS5 already cemented itself as the worst Playstation generation in history?' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/has-...-generation-in-history.1679820/post-270028685

 

[samoilaaa]

The market has already decided the fates of xbox and cloud gaming. Neither are good.

you are an idiot if you think AI and cloud gaming isnt the future , we will be there at some point

all the mobile , COD , fifa gamers will accept it once it has better input lag ( and the way technology advances it wont be long ) and if they accept it you will have to accept aswell because all the companies will go where the money goes

Devs make games for money not to make you happy

 

[yurinka]

How is it not good news?

Because they are Sony haters, so PS5 being that successful is bad news for them.

PS2 didn't have much competition

It had Nintendo, Sega, Xbox, and in portables even Nokia or Bandai's Wonderswan. PS2 destroyed them all, but had a lot of competition.

PS3 outsold Xbox 360 every month since it launched.

Only the year head start (16 month head start in Europe) made 360 look like it was winning.

In your dreams.

Not sure about the US (main Xbox/360 market), but launch aligned worldwide yes. At least per fiscal quarters/years PS3 kept outselling it and had a longer life.

I’d bet that if Sony didn’t have exclusives, this argument would fall apart. Why? Because the argument relies on exclusives just as much as Sony’s revenue does. Their financial success isn’t necessarily a reflection of how good or bad this generation is, but rather a testament to how successful their exclusives have been.

The exclusives (at least 1st party) represent a very small portion of PS game sales, and even a way smaller portion of SIE's total revenue. You have the numbers in their quarterly fiscal reports.

Ah yes, Remake after remake, one game per studio a gen (if we're lucky) and cancelations/studio shutdowns left and right.

Sony's games broke sales records with titles released in 2020, 2022, 2023 and 2024. Last year, they were -again, nothing new- the company that received more awards with Astro Bot, Helldivers 2, Destiny 2 The Final Shape, Stellar Blade or even Lego Horizon.

Their consoles have record numbers in many metrics, like active userbase. And are also making record devenue in hardware, software, accesories, game subs, off-PS 1st party game revenue and movie/tv show adaptations.

Game cancellations and studio closures are normal part of the job. As it is the other games they greenlight and the studio expansions or acquisitions they also have.

They are doing a great job. To look only at remakes and cancellations/closures is nonsensical.

 

[DavidGzz]

Because they are Sony haters, so PS5 being that successful is bad news for them.

Nah, I have the Pro waiting on good games. We want them to be successful for a REASON. The game output this gen has been bad for me at least.

 

[Felessan]

you are an idiot if you think AI and cloud gaming isnt the future , we will be there at some point

all the mobile , COD , fifa gamers will accept it once it has better input lag ( and the way technology advances it wont be long ) and if they accept it you will have to accept aswell because all the companies will go where the money goes

Devs make games for money not to make you happy

It's not an input lag that hurdle cloud gaming, mass market don't care about that much (and for many games it's not important at all)
There are some distinctive problems that cloud gaming have and those hard to solve:
1. Cost of playing - server time is always way more expensive than time of your console sitting under TV.
2. To alleviate first problem you might decide to share same server across many players, but there comes the aecond problem - latency. You can't expect a good playing experience for players in Europe or Asia playing off US servers - ping are just too big
3. To fix that you need to have "local" data centers. And suddenly your idea of sharing server hit the fact that most of players in given territory play at roughly the same prime time and service have a congestion that either lead to queues or underutilization of servers
It even worse when a big release or major dlc/patches come in - there are suddenly a huge flock of players, in order of magnitude bigger than usual. And it's a huge disappointment for players if they had to wait hours or days to play hottest game.
Just imagine GTA6 came out and you have to wait weeks to get a free slot on cloud server - it's a no go for mass market thas is very suspectible to fomo

PS. And mobile players will not go to the cloud, they are too price sensitive for that.

 

[yurinka]

Nah, I have the Pro waiting on good games. We want them to be successful for a REASON. The game output this gen has been bad for me at least.

Looking at their sales, average reviews and awards seems most people disagree with you and think they had a great output.