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[AssMan]

The military is for people who can't afford college or can't find a real job. Sorry but it is the last alternative to being homeless.

.Hacked voted most ignorant for the day. :lol


Chances of getting a job in the civilian world increases if you have a military background. Plus, most go to college while in the military. Think about it for a second. Who has a better chance at getting a job in computers: someone who has 4 years of experience in that field in the military and a college degree or someone who just graduated from college? :lol

 

[boutrosinit]

So you supported the war in Iraq when it was declared, and you still say it's a good idea. The most important thing is that we don't pull out.

The Army is missing its recruiting goals. Soldiers are being maimed and killed.

Why aren't you over there? You know who you are.

Dude. Shut the fuck up. Seriously.

 

[boutrosinit]

Hmm. Everyone who voted for Bush should go to war. Problem fixed, I mean y'all love him so much eh?

This man = GENIUS.

 

[Link648099]

I havnt joined because I'm in college right now. I'd of joined up 4 years ago though if I didnt get lucky and all of a sudden get a free education handed to me (parent working for university = free tuition).

I did ROTC there for a year though, and almost went back to it a few times, but decided not to for whatever reason. As long as nothing comes up to keep me out, I plan on joining the Navy after I get my degree. Being an Officer happens to be more desirable and better for one's career then does being just an enlisted. I picked the Navy, as opposed to the other branches, because they have the SEALs program, and it's been something I've wanted to try out for for about six years now.

So yeah, I support the war and I'm willing to attempt to play a decent part in it too.

Beats playing Halo all day, right?

 

[Dilbert]

Dude. Shut the fuck up. Seriously.

On the contrary.

 

[Willco]

jesus christ willco, if you have nothing useful to say then stop posting in the damn thread.

Because war is serious business! And now I know, and knowing is half the battle!

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

I did my time in the Army, so get off my back!

ditto.

I was leaning towards idiotic.

ah. ok then.

 

[Mandark]

ToxicAdam: Why not move to Canda? Well, this is where I keep all my stuff, it's a lot easier to find Wizards games on the TV, and oh yeah MY PRESENCE HERE ISN'T A DEATH SENTENCE FOR THOUSANDS OF OTHER AMERICANS.

See, I thought this would be a pretty obvious distinction. I guess not.

Also, it occurs to me that you dodged the question, and gave an answer in the literary second person. Do you support the war? If so, why aren't you there? (PROTIP: Donating to charities and paying your taxes only counts if you really wanted to join, but they turned you down).

 

[ronito]

Your forgetting the american war support theorem:

The support for a war is directly proportional to the distance from the war (in miles)/ the length of the war (in years).

 

[Incognito]

.Hacked voted most ignorant for the day. :lol


Chances of getting a job in the civilian world increases if you have a military background. Plus, most go to college while in the military. Think about it for a second. Who has a better chance at getting a job in computers: someone who has 4 years of experience in that field in the military and a college degree or someone who just graduated from college? :lol

Not really, you ignoramus. Military personnel retiring from the service are utterly clueless when entering the civilian workfoce and quite honestly, many private companies don't want to hear about what you did in the military repeated thirty times.

I've watched my father(a military man himself -- 20 years) prep clients and remind them not to bring up their military history unless specifically asked. I've also watched him speak in military auditoriums filled with hundreds of outgoing retirees the basics of entering the civilian workforce.

So it's not as simple as "Hey, I was in the military! I'll get a job the instant I leave, nothing to worry about!!".

 

[Boogie]

Uhm, how exactly did I get included with those two? I certainly don't agree with "Operation Iraqi Freedom" or any of the other major policies of the Bush administration. Just the other day, I asked how people who believe in karma rationalize Dick Cheney. I may've made some offhand comment about liking Bush due to the possibility of him actually pushing us to the apocalypse. I'm not sure how you confused this with me agreeing with this war or any of the multitude of reasons used by this administration to sell it.

Yeah, I kinda scratched my head when he lumped you in there too.

 

[impirius]

By this thread's logic, is it impossible for someone to truly support any war without being on the battlefield?

 

[Mercury Fred]

I'm much, much sexier than Michael Moore.

This thread is useless without pics.*









*Totally not kidding and recalling a pic Mandark posted here a couple years ago.

 

[Mejilan]

I'm not American.

 

[Phoenix]

I wasn't a supporter but the training camps are my beef. Seriously. If there was a way to skip that and go to combat, I would.

You would want to skip the one thing that might help you actually live in a battle zone? Makes sense if you really like living on the edge

 

[Incognito]

Training camps are a JOKE; especially the AF's. When I'm admitted into the hospital for my two-three week tune-ups, I regularly complete the basic training course they have for incoming airmen in my sparetime because the doctors are always bitching about "get some exercise!!".

Seriously, the "workout" portion of basic training is laughable. Sure, you have to walk everywhere around the base, but the base itself isn't that large. The ONLY problem is the insufferable heat.

 

[Phoenix]

By this thread's logic, is it impossible for someone to truly support any war without being on the battlefield?

Yes, because the military is self sufficient - not requiring anyone outside of the military to provide anything to it (like businesses, money etc).

 

[Phoenix]

Training camps are a JOKE; especially the AF's. When I'm admitted into the hospital for my two-three week tune-ups, I regularly complete the basic training course they have for incoming airmen in my sparetime because the doctors are always bitching about "get some exercise!!".

Seriously, the "workout" portion of basic training is laughable. Sure, you have to walk everywhere around the base, but the base itself isn't that large. The ONLY problem is the insufferable heat.

Clearly not trained to be a marine... Semper Fi!

 

[Mandark]

Minotauro: Oooooops. I meant Makura. Begins with an M, ends in a vowel, you know... sowwy.

impirius: If you called for the war, and the military says it could use extra troops, and they'd be willing to take you, then not enlisting implies certain amounts of cowardice and hypocrisy. Basically "This is very important and is worth risking your life for. But not mine."

ToxicAdam: Hello? Hello? I think we've been disconnected.

 

[Lemurnator]

Assuming there was a draft, if I were 18+ and a guy, you know what I would say if there was a draft?

Fuck you. What, are you going to take me to Guantanamo and torture me along with the other several million people who will also wake the fuck up and not go?

Many Americans only support our government and our president because they don't KNOW the depth of the corruption and atrocities commited by their government because the mainstream media doesn't cover it. The mainstream media reports the biggest stories like the Guantanamo Bay torture scandel because it doesn't directly convey the policies of the administration. It's just several fucked up soldiers doing some sick shit. It's not like they were ordered to do it, right? They wash their hands of the torture situation whenever an elected offical says something fucked up, downplaying international law, the UN, the Geneva convention.

I don't know...

The majority of Americans just piss me off. They show their patriotism by backing an un-just war and a corrupt President... just because it's our war and it's our president. To them they feel we're unpatriotic not supporting our government and what it's doing. They bought a "support our troops" magnet for their car, they have a flag hanging out their house.

They've done their part to serve our country.

I hate our country, and I hate at least 40% of it's citizens.

 

[Incognito]

The mainstream media reports the biggest stories like the Guantanamo Bay torture scandel because it doesn't directly convey the policies of the administration. It's just several fucked up soldiers doing some sick shit. It's not like they were ordered to do it, right?

:lol :lol :lol

Looks like the administration has hooked, line, and sinkered another innocent american.

 

[Lemurnator]

Read the rest of the post shittard.

 

[Incognito]

It's incoherent.

 

[Lemurnator]

So were you last night when Hans fucked your stomach tube.

 

[MrAngryFace]

This thread is pretty dumb. I mean its an obvious troll, yet you all lined up to get punched in the nuts by mandark, a person you dont even know haha.

 

[Azih]

yet you all lined up to get punched in the nuts by mandark, a person you dont even know haha.

You're saying this like getting punched in the nuts by a person you do know is better.

 

[whytemyke]

Not really, you ignoramus. Military personnel retiring from the service are utterly clueless when entering the civilian workfoce and quite honestly, many private companies don't want to hear about what you did in the military repeated thirty times.

I've watched my father(a military man himself -- 20 years) prep clients and remind them not to bring up their military history unless specifically asked. I've also watched him speak in military auditoriums filled with hundreds of outgoing retirees the basics of entering the civilian workforce.

So it's not as simple as "Hey, I was in the military! I'll get a job the instant I leave, nothing to worry about!!".

Technically speaking, the ability to be hired in the civillian world really depends on your experience in the military combined with your area of expertise. Naturally if you spend your entire 20 year career as an eleven-bravo with the US Army (infantry) then you're not going to be very marketable aside from your rank. Granted, this is good if you're a captain, major, colonel or general... but if you're a 2LT doing a 4 year stint, than naturally your four years as a lieutenant in the infantry won't compare to somebody who's got a year of experience doing data entry.

On the other hand, there are people, quite a few, who do get PLENTY of jobs upon retirement. Usually, though, these people have to have a rank in a field accordant with their time in. If you've been in for ten years and you're only an E5 when you come out, well, you won't look very good. But if you're in for 15 years and come out as an E8, or as a full colonel, well, your chances at finding a job are pretty good.

I know of both situations. I know of people who were in for 8 years and picked up by a headhunting firm and given a job for 100K a year. I know people who've been recruited to be Presidents of places as high as IBM straight from the military. But I also know people who've put in 20 years and come out being happy with their job as a shift manager at Home Depot. So you really make of it what you will... same as any other job. It CAN greatly influence your future if you want it to.


As for the OP, there is some validity to it. If there are so many 18 year olds who voted for Bush and support the war, then they should have no problem standing by their choices. To me, and mind you i've had 3 years of ROTC training, too... if you're going to send other people to die for your cause, you should support the cause too. Otherwise, you're a fucking coward and really don't deserve anything in life. If you're too chicken to fight, then you shouldn't send others to do it for you. The only real caveat to this is if you're unable to fight, in which case, you should probably find a way to get into a market of the country where your labor can help the troops.

Plus... can we just drop this charade of a 'just war'. War has never been just... there's just different reasons people feel good about fighting. World War 2 really wasn't 'just' for the US. We had no business in Europe.... but we won, so nobody talks about that, do they? The only time people whine about jus bellum is when they're stuck doing something they don't want to do. We didn't intervene in Rwanda... is that really just? We watched the Russians massacre millions during the Cold War, and we did nothing, is that just? Of course it isn't 'just', and we have never had any sense of justice beyond our borders (and usually not much within our borders either). The only times Americans really care about justice outside of our country regarding war is when bodycounts are seen.

 

[Manders]

The military is for people who can't afford college or can't find a real job. Sorry but it is the last alternative to being homeless.

I pretty much agree with this statement. People with any intelligence are best suited to use their assets in other fields.

 

[Timo]

i'm 16.


suck my balls.

 

[pestul]

Honorably discharged (I quit) in 1998 from ROTC in Canada. Grew up in a military family (Dad is Commander in Navy). Totally against the conflict/dispute (fuck no it ain't a war) in Iraq.

 

[Shinobi]

Shinobi--Your post was completely on point. Ironically, all the ra ra bullshit from that time pushed me away from another forum. I'm still utterly shocked that anyone believed that Iraq was a good idea. Then again, I shouldn't be. There's a reason why our Corporation for Public Broadcasting is under fire, and it has little to do with money or bias. The media at large didn't question the reasons for going in and what our exit strategy should be. I think I'm angrier with our pussy media than I am at this thuggish administration.

Agreed with that...I had no love for the media before this conflict, and their inability to question ANYTHING pushed that hatred to new heights. And the Democrats were no better...as much as I dislike the Republicans, at least they stand for something.

Assuming there was a draft, if I were 18+ and a guy, you know what I would say if there was a draft?

Fuck you. What, are you going to take me to Guantanamo and torture me along with the other several million people who will also wake the fuck up and not go?

Many Americans only support our government and our president because they don't KNOW the depth of the corruption and atrocities commited by their government because the mainstream media doesn't cover it. The mainstream media reports the biggest stories like the Guantanamo Bay torture scandel because it doesn't directly convey the policies of the administration. It's just several fucked up soldiers doing some sick shit. It's not like they were ordered to do it, right? They wash their hands of the torture situation whenever an elected offical says something fucked up, downplaying international law, the UN, the Geneva convention.

I don't know...

The majority of Americans just piss me off. They show their patriotism by backing an un-just war and a corrupt President... just because it's our war and it's our president. To them they feel we're unpatriotic not supporting our government and what it's doing. They bought a "support our troops" magnet for their car, they have a flag hanging out their house.

They've done their part to serve our country.

I hate our country, and I hate at least 40% of it's citizens.

I'm wanna marry you in four years.

 

[bob_arctor]

By this thread's logic, is it impossible for someone to truly support any bullshit war without being on the battlefield?

Fixed.

 

[impirius]

Fixed.

No, the original question wasn't broken. I'm asking about any war, from those that are just to those that aren't.

I don't support the war in Iraq, but that doesn't have any bearing on my original question.

 

[Mandark]

It's not just for any war.

It's for any collective action that entails the risk of death. If you're lobbying for that action to be taken, you could effectively take part in it, and your help would be welcomed, it is hypocritical to let others bear the risk.

 

[impirius]

It's not just for any war.

It's for any collective action that entails the risk of death. If you're lobbying for that action to be taken, you could effectively take part in it, and your help would be welcomed, it is hypocritical to let others bear the risk.

So would you say that an American man in good physical condition during World War II (or any just war) could not be justified in believing that the war is right? How about local police and fire departments; is it okay to support them in principle without volunteering if there is a shortage? (I think someone brought up the police question earlier.)

I'm not trying to be contrary or go tit-for-tat, by the way; it's just that something about your train of thought isn't clicking with me, and I can't think of a direct, incisive question that addresses it. Please bear with the clumsy counterexamples.

 

[xsarien]

So would you say that an American man in good physical condition during World War II (or any just war) could not be justified in believing that the war is right? How about local police and fire departments; is it okay to support them in principle without volunteering if there is a shortage? (I think someone brought up the police question earlier.)

The lines in World War II were much more distinct, but it's also moot: Most people who fought in that war were drafted. But with the consequences painted much more sharply, you were probably unlikely to find many people who were stanch opponents of the war. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Germany would not have stopped at Europe.

 

[Mandark]

impirius: No problem. I used to think of this more as a rhetorical device instead of a line of reasoning until recently.

I support the idea of a volunteer fire department. I don't set fire to buildings.

I support the idea of a police force. I don't commit armed robbery.

I support the idea of a volunteer, standing army. I don't help create wars.

I believe that have a full-time, trained, volunteer group to deal with security and safety issues is often the best, most efficient solution for a community. I don't feel this has to be unfair. But there is mutual responsibility: these trained professionals will assume the risks in dealing with an emergency situation, and in return citizens will work to minimize the number of these emergencies, and never actively work to create them.

So in the event that the United States is invaded, I fully expect the military to do 99% of the fighting. If that weren't enough, I'd expect myself and many others to enlist. But I'll always try to make sure that it is enough, and hopefully I'll never lobby for a war as anything but the last resort.

For the WW2 question: In a case where the public is overwhelmingly in favor of a war, and the military needs extra help, a draft is a fair way of going about things. In that case, draft dodging replaces a failure to enlist in the equation. Someone who supported WW2, but avoided being drafted would probably be hypocritical and cowardly.

(That goes to show that just because someone is hypocritical and/or cowardly doesn't mean they're wrong. It does make you take their opinion with a grain of salt, and in a case like this it suggests that their position is based on a lack of understanding of, or at least a disconnect with the sacrifices that need to be made.)

Also, I agree with the idea that people can do more than just fight to help a war effort. Which is why there should be universal guidelines and impartial third parties who can determine whom to exempt from combat duty. These systems may not be perfect, but would be miles better than an honor system ("Oh, I'd love to help, it's just that...").

 

[Father_Brain]

This might deserve its own thread, but it's related, so I figured I might as well post it here. A left-wing satirical blog, Jesus' General (http://patriotboy.blogspot.com) has launched Operation Yellow Elephant, aimed at getting young Republicans to enlist at the College Republican National Convention, which starts this Friday. Overview at the link below.

One of the General's readers pointed out that there isn't a good, one stop place to learn everything you need to know about OPERATION YELLOW ELEPHANT. Hopefully, this post will serve that purpose. Check back often for updates.

The objective of OPERATION YELLOW ELEPHANT is to recruit College Republicans and Young Republicans to serve as infantry. They demanded this war and now viciously support it. It's only right that they also experience it.

The 56th College Republican National Convention is the setting for many of the proposed ops. It begins on Friday, June 24.

The General encourages his readers to take the initiative to create materials and to plan and conduct special operations. Please let him know what you've done and he'll try to post it.

Regular readers know that the General is a proud heterosexual, Christian conservative. He is not trying to embarrass the College Republicans. Rather, he believes that by encouraging them to enlist, he is pushing them to be more vocal about the good work their doing to make our homeland safe--things like holding affirmative action bakesales, holding immigrant hunts, almost single-handedly funding Ann Coulter, David Horowitz, and Michelle Malkin, relieving the elderly of the burden of having money, and punching out Joan Jett.

http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2005_06_19_patriotboy_archive.html#111924907437313848

 

[impirius]

Thanks for the replies, and sorry it took me so long to respond... hopefully you guys are still interested!

The general vibe I'm getting from both you guys is that it's okay to advocate a war and not volunteer to fight in it as long as the prevailing public opinion is that the war is necessary. So John Doe's opinion is valid (if not particularly brave) if he thinks, "This war is the right course of action, but I hope I don't get drafted!"

Although public opinion on the war/morass/quagmire/whatever in Iraq is split, I think it's still possible for someone to have a sincere belief that the US military action was just without signing up to go over there. I don't agree with them, but I don't question their sincerity. Maybe they're misinformed about the circumstances that caused the war. Maybe they're actually right and I'm wrong... although this is, of course, always the most remote of possibilities.

Now, if some people see war as an easy answer to everything, I have a problem with that. I'd question the value they place on human lives other than their own. In this situation, though, I think that there are many people who value life and believe that the current war is just. I can't blame them for not dropping everything and rushing out to the nearest recruitment center upon arriving at that opinion, though.

A person's willingness to sign up for military service during war time says something about his character, but I don't think it necessarily says anything about the validity of his opinion. That's kinda going back to what you were saying, Mandark.

Quite frankly, I'm in no position to chide anyone about being hesitant to sign up for military service. Besides my moral and religious qualms with war, there's also the issue of war taking soldiers away from their families and lives and giving them a very real chance of being killed. I doubt anything short of Hitler 2.0 attacking the Carolinas with robot sharks could compel me to enlist. Hell, I think something should be done in Darfur, but if the call for peacekeeping volunteers went out tomorrow, I don't think I'd head out the door. The idealist in me cringes a bit at that, but because I'm getting married on Friday, the idealist and the pragmatist in me are re-evaluating their relationship.

 

[Ash Housewares]

Soldiers are being maimed and killed.

Why aren't you over there?

that's about it, I like my non-maimed/killed self

 

[videogamer]

Some of you may have already seen this:

Crooks and Liars tried to get this shown at the Young Republican convention.

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/6/21/16116/8359

 

[Macam]

And to follow on that and further pillage DKos:

Q Is the President concerned about the recruitment being down in his home country, he can't get -- you know, some day you may give a war and no one will come? And, also, the second part of the question, is there any member of the Bush clan who is in the military service now, that you know of?
MR. McCLELLAN: I'd have to go check; that's a pretty large clan, as you --

Q Would you do that?

MR. McCLELLAN: -- as you referred to. In terms of -- and certainly there are members of the family that have served and served very admirably in the Armed Forces.

Q I'm not talking about the past, I'm talking about now.

MR. McCLELLAN: And in terms of your question on recruitment and the recruiting efforts, I think the Department of Defense has briefed on that recently and they've talked about their efforts to address some of the concerns that you bring up. I would refer you --

Q I asked if the President was concerned.

MR. McCLELLAN: Yes, it's something he talks to his military leaders about, and they keep him apprised of their efforts.

Q Is the President concerned?

MR. McCLELLAN: I'm sorry?

Q Is the President concerned?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, it's something he's kept apprised about, but I think you ought to look at the Department of Defense, and the way they have characterized it is the way I would --

Q I heard -- I heard Rumsfeld on the --

MR. McCLELLAN: -- is the way I would characterize it. They briefed on it recently, and they talked about their efforts to do a better job of recruiting people to volunteer for the military forces.

 

[skrew]

enlisted, in iraq and didn't support the reason for going to war


the military can make you a better person, but if you were a useless piece of shit before you joined, chances are you will be one while you are in and when you get out. just the fact that you served can give you a slight bit of advantage as far as looking for jobs but thats about it, you still gotta do the rest on your own

 

[djtiesto]

I wouldn't make a good soldier (I'm too much of a primadonna, plus I have a heart condition)... I do enjoy designing products for the military to use, though.

 

[AB 101]

:lol :lol :lol

Looks like the administration has hooked, line, and sinkered another innocent american.

Please give us your hands on experience at Guantanamo since you have been there.

 

[Father_Brain]

Fantastic post from Steve Gilliard:

http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005/06/honest-conversation.html

You boys are on your own


This will be brief.

We need to be honest here: Iraq is not worth one more dead American.

People on the right and left want some deus ex machina to save Iraq, but we have., collectively, come to a simple conclusion:

Iraq is not worth dying for. Not for the warmongers on the right or the liberal hawks on the left.

It's bad the soldiers are trapped there, but we have made it their problem, No one is willingly going to join them, and 5,000 have deserted so far.

When you ask liberal hawks to enlist, they are offended by the question.

When you ask conservatives to enlist, they are offended by the question.

And America's parents are NOT sending their kids to die in Iraq if they can, at all, help it. No one blows up IED's at Wal Mart.

We have a volunteer army with fewer and fewer volunteers, and people reenlisting only to save their friends. There is a time limit to their ability to be in combat. They cannot serve forever. They will have to be replaced. And fewer and fewer are willing to replace them,

What I want people to do is be honest.

If you will not serve in Iraq, and no one you know will serve, stop expecting someone else to do what you will not.

Therefore, it is time to stop calling for more troops, or the US to make Iraq safe. We cannot do this and even Americans are refusing to join the fight. It is time to look at your actions and realize, that despite your ideals, you oppose continuing this war. In practical terms, you have decided that this war is not worth your life or anyone you know. And million of Americans have joined you in this decision.

So, with this fact evident, it is time to call for US troops to withdraw from Iraq. Not save it, not add more boots on the ground. You have already voted by your actions. It is time that you match it with your words.

 

[Shinobi]

Nice summunation of what Mandark has been saying.

 

[AB 101]

This Letter of Apology was written by Lieutenant General Chuck Pitman,
> > > US
> > > > Marine Corps, Retired:
> > > >
> > > > "For good and ill", the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an
> >issue.
> > > On
> > > > the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of
> >the
> >
> > > > actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control
> >and
> > > > fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre..
> > > >
> > > > I humbly offer my opinion here:
> > > >
> > > > I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and
> > > > sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of
>Muslims
> > > > (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.). I am sorry that no
>such
> >call
> > > for
> > > > an apology upon the extremists came after
> > > > 9/11. I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic
> >Arabs.
> >
> >I
> > > am
> > > > sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under
> >savage
> >
> > > > dictatorships. I am sorry that their leaders squander their
>wealth.
> >I
> >am
> > > > sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their
> >religious
> > > > schools, mosques, and government-controlled media. I am sorry that
> > > Yassar
> > > > Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and high-jacked the
> > > Palestinian
> > > > "cause." I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or
>offer
> > > more
> > > > than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.
>I
> >am
> >
> > > sorry
> > > > that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial supporter
> >of
> > > > poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the
> >USA
> > > for
> > > > all their problems. I am sorry that our own left wing, our media,
> >and
> > > our
> > > > own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the
> > > misleading
> > > > vocal elements of our society, like radical professors, CNN and
>the
> >NY
> >
> > > > TIMES). I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of
> >Iraq
> > > out of
> > > > the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common
> >folk
> > > > suffered. I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families
>of
> > > homicide
> > > > bombers upon their death. I am sorry that those same bombers are
> > > brainwashed
> > > > thinking they will receive 72 virgins in "paradise." I am sorry
>that
> >the
> > > > homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies, children, the
>elderly
> >and
> > > > other noncombatant civilians are legitimate targets. I am sorry
>that
> >our
> > > > troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape rooms and the
> >filling
> >
> > > of
> > > > mass graves of dissidents of their own making. I am sorry that
> >Muslim
> > > > extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group. I am sorry
> >that
> > > > foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and
> > > return it
> > > > to a terrorist state. I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy
> >cutters
> > > on
> > > > Fallujah. I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a
> >convenient
> >
> > > "Holy
> > > > Site." I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving two jets into
> >the
> > > World
> > > > Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas
> >Greek
> > > > Orthodox Church - one of our Holy Sites. I am sorry they didn't
> > > apologize
> > > > for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, the
> >murders
> >
> > > and
> > > > beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, etc....etc! I am sorry
> >Michael
> > > > Moore is an American; he could feed a medium sized village in
> >Africa.
> > > > America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those
> > > > responsible because that is what we do.
> > > >
> > > > We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move
> >on.
> >
> > > > That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this
> >stuff
> > > > like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.
> > > >
> > > > Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the
>news,
> >we
> > > were
> > > > like - so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners.
> >Sure
> >
> >,
> > > it
> > > > was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until
>captured
> >we
> > > were
> > > > trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring
>our
> > > hands
> > > > because a few were humiliated?
> > > >
> > > > Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own
>people
> > > killed,
> > > > mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating
> >Fallujahans.
> >
> > > >
> > > > If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a
> >long
> >
> > > wait!
> > > >
> > > > You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins.
> > > >
> > > > Chuck Pitman
> > > >
> > > > Lieutenant General US Marine Corps (Retired)
> > > >
> > > > Semper Fi


Got this in an email from a friend.

 

[DarienA]

Hey what service, MOS, description and are you in or out right now? For me its:

Army, 31V, Radio Communications Troubleshoot & Repair, Honorable Discharge...'97 I think.

 

[AB 101]

MOS 68J - Aircraft Fire Control Repairer.

Repaired and troubleshooted AH-1 Cobra and AH-64 Apache weapon systems. Also armed the aircraft. In the late 80's, 68M's and 68J's combined. Training was 32 weeks at Ft. Eustis Virginia. Did 2 years with the 3rd Armor Division outside of Frankfurt Germany (3/227th AVN at Fliegerhorst Kaserne) and did close to 2 years with the 101st(3/101, 101st AVN Brigade)Was in Desert Shield/Storm from August 1990 to late April 1991 with the 101st. Went to basic training at Ft. Dix NJ in Nov. 1986. Was cold as fuck.

Honorably discharged in June 1991.