That's the thing, it does NOT run properly at 30fps. Frame-pacing is completely wrong resulting in a very jerky looking game. When coupled with the fact that a stable 60fps is impossible on all PCs, it needs fixing.
Quantum Break PC performance thread
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prag16
Banned
While they fucked up and it needs to be fixed, I still think that the "unplayable" term is being used a little aggressively.
I'd agree with keeping the 30fps cap OFF. The frame rate will bounce around (mine feels like 45-55ish range most of the time) but it shouldn't really go below 30 ever given reasonable settings and hardware, at least it hasn't for me. With the cap off you get the feel of struggling last gen 22-30fps type games due to the frame pacing.
Lifting the cap doesn't fix the pacing; it's still noticeable but it's far FAR less distracting.
Also, as I promised earlier in the topic, I dropped down to Low textures (which are hideous by the way) and was still sitting around 2100-2300 MB vram usage. Further confirmation that 2GB cards should steer clear.
Agree with this, to those not buying it you are missing out on a great game. It's more than playable but I appreciate it's certainly not ideal. Definitely not broken, just not as well optimized as it should be
dgrdsv
Member
You could cap the framerate with the driver as well but alas it doesn't help.
Yeah, they have to sort out the frame pacing issues - that's the main thing which prevents the game from being playable on PC at the moment. The rest (like, rendering in native res, AF control at least, ability to supersample from within the game, FOV control, etc) is something which would be nice to have but not essential for getting the game into a playable state.
Doctor Hades
Member
I have a fairly decent system, compromising of an i7-4770K, 16 GB, GTX 980 Ti SC and Windows 10 Pro. I have been lucky enough to run this game without any major issues for the 5 hours of so I've been playing it on PC up to part way through Act 5. I played the first couple of hours on my Xbox One to the start of Act 2 then continued my save game on PC (which works flawlessly both ways).
I could not tell you want framerate I am getting at 2560x1440 on Ultra settings but I can say that the game feels as smooth as the Xbox One version at worst but usually better for most of the time. Also, I have not noticed the framepacing issues, something I was particularly sensitive to in and which spoilt somewhat) Bloodborne on PS4. I am forcing 16X AF and a 59.7 fps frame limit in the game profile though, using NVIDIA Inspector so may that fixed the framepacing issues?
Whatever, apart for some major slowdown during the start of Act 4, which was caused by PerfectDisk deciding to defrag the game's hard drive while I was watching the 20+ minute Episode 4 between Acts 4 and 5, the game has been running great. Combat feels fluid and fast and I have not experienced any stuttering either (other than the ones of the time variety in the game!).
While I would not go as far as to say this is an excellent conversion, I cannot lie and say the game is running badly for me or that it is unplayable because that simply is not true. The game could be running better, yes, as I understand the AMD cards have a performance advantage over the NVIDIA cards in this game so it's clear that some driver optimisation and game patches are needed to improve things in that area. I have not experienced any crashes either. I am using the v364.91 Vulkan developer driver though. To be honest, I have experienced more issues with the Xbox One version than the PC version; texture pop in for example is much more noticeable on console plus at one point lights could be seen shining THROUGH Jack Joyce's head, something I have not come across on PC. Also, loading times are much quicker on PC, handy if like me you have a tendency to die a lot!
A great game; very cinematic and exciting with a good story, great acting and some fantastic setpieces (Act 4 is by far my favourite). I am actually sad that I am on the last stretch.
I could not tell you want framerate I am getting at 2560x1440 on Ultra settings but I can say that the game feels as smooth as the Xbox One version at worst but usually better for most of the time. Also, I have not noticed the framepacing issues, something I was particularly sensitive to in and which spoilt somewhat) Bloodborne on PS4. I am forcing 16X AF and a 59.7 fps frame limit in the game profile though, using NVIDIA Inspector so may that fixed the framepacing issues?
Whatever, apart for some major slowdown during the start of Act 4, which was caused by PerfectDisk deciding to defrag the game's hard drive while I was watching the 20+ minute Episode 4 between Acts 4 and 5, the game has been running great. Combat feels fluid and fast and I have not experienced any stuttering either (other than the ones of the time variety in the game!).
While I would not go as far as to say this is an excellent conversion, I cannot lie and say the game is running badly for me or that it is unplayable because that simply is not true. The game could be running better, yes, as I understand the AMD cards have a performance advantage over the NVIDIA cards in this game so it's clear that some driver optimisation and game patches are needed to improve things in that area. I have not experienced any crashes either. I am using the v364.91 Vulkan developer driver though. To be honest, I have experienced more issues with the Xbox One version than the PC version; texture pop in for example is much more noticeable on console plus at one point lights could be seen shining THROUGH Jack Joyce's head, something I have not come across on PC. Also, loading times are much quicker on PC, handy if like me you have a tendency to die a lot!
A great game; very cinematic and exciting with a good story, great acting and some fantastic setpieces (Act 4 is by far my favourite). I am actually sad that I am on the last stretch.
matrix-cat
Member
No one's missing out. The game's still going to be there waiting when Remedy fixes the port. Why pay for it now and play it in its current janky state?
lordfuzzybutt
Member
They said before the 15th.
GHG
Member
Nevermind the codes, where are the details on an upcoming patch?
Id like to know sooner rather than later since im selling my xbox one soon. If they really aren't going to fix it ill just bite the bullet and buy it on the xbox one to play through quickly before I sell.the console.
C'mon remedy.
Id like to know sooner rather than later since im selling my xbox one soon. If they really aren't going to fix it ill just bite the bullet and buy it on the xbox one to play through quickly before I sell.the console.
C'mon remedy.
They said 7-10 days. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt thinking clicking "send" wouldn't be too difficult, but I guess we have to wait 3 more days for them to be bothered.
Have they even acknowledged that the issues with the PC version are "real"?
lordfuzzybutt
Member
They later tweeted that the new deadline is the 15th.
prag16
Banned
Hate to go around again with this. While I realize we have certain standards and expectations as PC gamers in this day and age, which this game falls short of on some fronts.. "unplayable"? Really?
You must have hate hate HATED gen 7 consoles then. So many "unplayable" games.
Not only that, pay a lot more for something that runs fairly horribly across the board.
GHG
Member
I hated gen 7 so much (in terms of performance, not the games) that it made me return to PC gaming. I sold my 360 after just a year and a half of ownership, invested in a gaming PC with a gtx 480 and never looked back. I only ended up with a ps3 later in the generation because my wife bought it for me as a present.
So in summary, yes, quite a few of us on gaf did hate it and ended up investing in gaming pc's partway through the generation. The build a pc thread at the time was so so busy.
No because everything's not only completely subjective but also relative to the investment people made in their hardware.
People spend top dollar on PC components, they expect certain standards.
People play games on cheap and after a while outdated consoles, they know they can only expect so much.
If you give 980ti people a console level experience and no way of improving it themselves (which is what's currently happening with UWA) you are just asking to be screamed at.
prag16
Banned
Fair enough, and understandable, completely.
However stating unequivocally that it is "unplayable" is very misleading. The situation I obviously more nuanced than that.
Different people have different standards. Some people get very motion sick from games with low FOV or high stuttering. The whole point of PC gaming is that you can cater to everyone with customizability. There are people (like my fiancee for example) who can't play games on consoles because she has simulation sickness. It's triggered by a combination of low FOV, smoothed turning controls (analogs), framerate drops/stuttering. We can set up games on PC so that she doesn't have this issue. When the game/platform actually allows for it, that is.
prag16
Banned
"Underperforming" is entirely fair. And they need to fix it. "Unplayable" is more than a little hyperbolic.
Entirely valid complaint, but also more of an edge case. Unilateral, unqualified "unplayable" proclamation still doesn't fit.
I really hate to sound like I'm defending the port. I'm not. They fucked up and need to fix it. But the extreme polarized positions people always seem to take on things like this always bother me.
"Unplayable" is a bit of hyperbole when taken literally, because the game obviously can be played, just like Arkham Knight could have been played on release. Nonetheless, I personally do not want to play this game in its current state (I hate frame pacing issues), so for me it' is, in fact, "unplayable",.
oldergamer
Member
QB is fully playable on PC. People throw around the term "unplayable" with reckless abandon. They are complaining that a game not originally design for PC isn't optimized for all the different hardware out there. Big surprise PC gamers.
This is exactly the reason I game on a console, so i can avoid all this nonsense and complaining about video cards, drivers and frame rates. Enjoy the fucking game, Remedy doesn't need to fix a thing.
This is exactly the reason I game on a console, so i can avoid all this nonsense and complaining about video cards, drivers and frame rates. Enjoy the fucking game, Remedy doesn't need to fix a thing.
dgrdsv
Member
Yes, really. I can't remember any gen 7 console games which ran with as much instability in frametimes as QB currently does on pretty much any PC h/w configuration even on low settings. For me this is unplayable as I simply won't play a game in such state.
They do, because they released their game on PC.
I'm sorry, but that's very arrogant. If it was released on said platform, then they made code for it to work on said platform. It's a PC game and a Xbox One game. PC games do have issues, sure, and they do need to be rectified. Is it playable? Sure, based off of some people here (I haven't played it on PC yet and my PC is trash so when I get my code I wouldn't be able to play it anyways until I upgrade), but that doesn't negate the fact that they still have some work to do on PC to make it playable to some users. Now obviously there are design decisions that certain gamers don't like and those are things that they will have to deal with, but certain issues should be rectified (exit button, that should be there)
I enjoyed the hell out of the game on Xbox One, I wish more people on PC can enjoy it as well. There are still issues on the Xbox One and it was made for that platform first. Developers aren't perfect as people aren't...but they should fix what is broken and make a product that users can enjoy. You aren't ever going to satisfy everyone but you should not dismiss them either.
Is not for a lot of people.
This is a PC performance thread.
But I have to read how you complain about my standards.
Enjoy the fucking game and let me alone with my problems. Remedy must fix their shitty port.
Why are you even commenting here then? It's a PC performance thread.
Also, there's a difference between not optimizing the game to make the use of all the different hardware out there and the game performing terribly on the most powerful GPUs on the market. And yes, not being able to hit 60FPS at medium settings at 1080 on a 980ti is terrible performance. And the frame pacing issues at 30FPS? It runs WORSE than the console game.
It's hard to enjoy the game when it looks like a blurry mess compared to EVERY OTHER GAME ON THE PC. I'm fine with barebones PC ports. This isn't that - it's an awful port compared to most PC releases which, even the basic ones, you can at least brute force into a decent state.
FukuDaruma
Member
Totally agree.
Bought the game on release. i7 4.3Ghz 16GB RAM + MSI 390x 8GB @1200Mhz and it doesn't work ok even capped at 30.
As perfectly stated in the DF video, this game is SEVERELY fucked up.
I was able to force a constant 60fps launching the game on a secondary 120Hz refresh display and then moving the game to the main 60Hz display, but it isn't smooth either even after that.
DXtory video limiter doesn't help either.
Remedy just threw the customer trust out the window.
Don't be surprised with this poster's "hey don't care about PC or performance in a PC performance thread, it's great on consoles, don't expect a fix", as they've done similar things before.
From sales thread:
From a thread on the cover of the game:
Seems like this poster really wants to just enjoy the game regardless of what aspect of it is being discussed.
Honestly though, saying "Remedy doesn't need to fix a thing" is just ridiculous. This PC port is shameful and if they don't want to lose the goodwill from their previous 3-4 titles on PC, and tank Microsoft's "we care about PC gamers now" message
(that pretty much no one believes anyway)
prag16
Banned
I doubt that, but even if it's true, jumping around between 22-30 is going to be a lot more distracting than 40-55 which is what I would guess I'm seeing on my own rig.
If you won't play it in its current state, that's a fine stance to take. But I still stand by my statement that telling everyone that it's unequivocally and objectively unplayable, is misleading.
oldergamer
Member
actually Arkham knight had a lot of stability issues. Not a apples to apples comparison, but I agree with your assessment
oldergamer
Member
Yes and I'm consistent. I am enjoying the game. the bickering about usual nonsense ( PC performance, system wars, complaints about acting ) destroys any chance for people to take it for what it is, a game. It's not a movie, it's not a winning graphic novel, it's not a benchmark tool etc... we're talkin' bout a game... a game.
Again, how is saying that ridiculous? The game is playable, has a decent frame rate, doesn't have a shit ton of crash bugs. You keep saying "fix" but what you mean is increase the performance for your specific graphic card? goodwill isn't worth much imo.
Dictator93
Member
You must not know where you are. Complaining about people discussing their thoughts on game performance, in a PC PERFORMANCE THREAD, is generally not advised.
Gumbie
Member
You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. Why are you in a PC performance thread talking about "this is exactly the reason I game on a console"
High Fry Frow
Member
Seriously, what are you trying to accomplish oldergamer and why are you inhabiting PC threads when you don't PC game?
If you have nothing to add to the conversation then please stop bothering us.
If you have nothing to add to the conversation then please stop bothering us.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
They're selling it and they want £60 for it, they should really think about fixing it.
IcyRhythms
Member
I can't believe people are defending the game by getting sensitive over what people really mean by unplayable. Those people saying unplayable obviously mean that the game is not up to the standards of PC gaming.
This is utter nonsense, lmao. You need to see someone about your issues if other people talking about issues they have with a video game stops you from playing games on a particular platform.
If this post isn't a severe breach of forum etiquette, I dunno what is.
prag16
Banned
Who's getting "sensitive".
Obviously? To a lot of people unplayable means "unplayable". Unplayable can't necessarily be assumed to mean "playable with some concessions that may or may not be dealbreakers depending who you talk to".
"Broken" is another word being abused. While possibly technically right in some respects for this game, broadly staying that the game is "broken" is also a misleading statement.
Son of Flounder
Member
Dude, just give it up. As others have said, this is a PC performance thread. I'm glad you enjoyed the game, so did I on the XBone despite that version having some issues. However, the PC version is COMPLETELY unplayable for me due to the frame pacing issues. You might not notice them but I bloody well do, especially in QB which is the worst I have seen. I can play games with framerate drops without issue but erratic frame times makes me physically sick. So stop telling those of us who are affected to just enjoy the game, you have no idea how these issues affect others so just go to the OT if you want to discuss the game instead.
Wow.
plagiarize
Banned
Well I finally got my code, so I'll get to check out this train wreck all for myself tonight. CHOO CHOO.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Just a head's up, guys, I just got my code a few minutes ago. Seems they are beginning to send them out!
Pathfinder
Member
I just received a message from Xbox Live with my Quantum Break key for Windows 10.
Just a head's up, guys, I just got my code a few minutes ago. Seems they are beginning to send them out!
I hope you redeemed it before posting it here, right?
Btw: it tells me I need to update to Windows 10 to download this. But I have Win10 installed... probably not enough HDD space left, right?
Pathfinder
Member
Are you sure it was a good idea to post the image with your key in it?
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Guys, the key is used.
Pathfinder
Member
I hope you redeemed it before posting it here, right?
Btw: it tells me I need to update to Windows 10 to download this. But I have Win10 installed... probably not enough HDD space left, right?
You need to be running Windows 10 version 1511.