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Rumor: PS5/PS5 PRO Versions in Development For: Fable, Gears E:Day, Perfect Dark, Avowed, Blade, Halo

Wouldn't suprise me if MS dumps all of their games on PS over time, however on the proviso that they'll be able to launch gamepass on playstation. That would be the glistening cherry on top of what is a slightly unhappy cake as of right now.
 

Astray

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He isn't saying the games are canceled. Games get delayed all the time.
I think the notion of delaying game ports is also kind of a nonsense of its own. How can something be 'delayed' if we never had a date for it?

I simply don't think they decided to give the Indiana Jones PS5 version any fanfare without carefully considering the effect on their fans. This is Microsoft after all.

I think what's happening is the 3rd party iceberg is approaching the fanboy ship too quickly for their liking (especially with the PS5 Pro coming) and they're trying to slow people down a bit.

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They have Jez as tier 2 tho lol. The entire tier system is honestly dumb.

That sub is ridiculously pro-MS and loves to downplay any news that cast them in a wrong light, which tracks given that its popularity rose during the "Phil Spencer wore a Sanic shirt, is he buying SEGA" phase of this gen.

Wouldn't suprise me if MS dumps all of their games on PS over time, however on the proviso that they'll be able to launch gamepass on playstation. That would be the glistening cherry on top of what is a slightly unhappy cake as of right now.
They don't have that kind of leverage right now.
 
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Punished Miku

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I think what's happening is the 3rd party iceberg is approaching the fanboy ship too quickly for their liking (especially with the PS5 Pro coming) and they're trying to slow people down a bit.
Putting their games on other systems just makes sense. What I said back in February is still my opinion. They need to detail what existing Xbox customers are going to get out of this arrangement with specifics. Then, they can do whatever they like with multiplatform stuff. If they don't do it in that order, people will obviously feel burned.

If they explain in detail that we're going to be getting a powerful new "console" and/or handheld in 1-3 years that also loads Steam, Epic, GOG, and all my previous purchases, as well as GP, I will consider myself the clear winner in this exchange. Makes no difference to me if PS gamers want to suddenly do a 180 and play all these games at $70 a pop after talking shit on them for years. I'll basically have everything I want at that point, and Sony gamers can fund it. But, if Xbox gamers are getting nothing in this transition except bad news, that's just extremely poorly thought out messaging that will lead to your customers leaving. Just seems logical to detail what is happening for your current customers first.
 
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Topher

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I think the notion of delaying game ports is also kind of a nonsense of its own. How can something be 'delayed' if we never had a date for it?

I simply don't think they decided to give the Indiana Jones PS5 version any fanfare without carefully considering the effect on their fans. This is Microsoft after all.

I think what's happening is the 3rd party iceberg is approaching the fanboy ship too quickly for their liking (especially with the PS5 Pro coming) and they're trying to slow people down a bit.

That's fine, but what I'm saying is that a game is obviously not held to a strict release schedule due to any contract. The games will still get released, the question is when.
 
Putting their games on other systems just makes sense. What I said back in February is still my opinion. They need to detail what existing Xbox customers are going to get out of this arrangement with specifics. Then, they can do whatever they like with multiplatform stuff. If they don't do it in that order, people will obviously feel burned.

If they explain in detail that we're going to be getting a powerful new "console" and/or handheld in 1-3 years that also loads Steam, Epic, GOG, and all my previous purchases, as well as GP, I will consider myself the clear winner in this exchange. Makes no difference to me if PS gamers want to suddenly do a 180 and play all these games at $70 a pop after talking shit on them for years. I'll basically have everything I want at that point, and Sony gamers can fund it. But, if Xbox gamers are getting nothing in this transition except bad news, that's just extremely poorly thought out messaging that will lead to your customers leaving. Just seems logical to detail what is happening for your current customers first.
An ARM handheld Xbox with a NVIDIA eGPU dock 🐥
 

Woody337

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Wouldn't suprise me if MS dumps all of their games on PS over time, however on the proviso that they'll be able to launch gamepass on playstation. That would be the glistening cherry on top of what is a slightly unhappy cake as of right now.
Gamepass was a huge failure for game development. I feel in the future they will distance themself from it.
 

Fabieter

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Wouldn't suprise me if MS dumps all of their games on PS over time, however on the proviso that they'll be able to launch gamepass on playstation. That would be the glistening cherry on top of what is a slightly unhappy cake as of right now.

I bet Sony would allow it if it would be a slightly cheaper first party only gamepass version.
 
They don't have that kind of leverage right now.
True, however the logic of dumping your 1st party catelogue onto a competitors platform whilst eroding the appeal of hardware which you're trying to promote doesn't really make too much business sense. There has to be some kind or angle/strategy here if the intent is continue producing hardware (who knows if they will when the time comes around), and allowing releases on PS consoles cannot just be a short term money grab, that would be somewhat disengenous to say the least. Who knows - we'll see how this all pans out in the end...
 
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HeisenbergFX4

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They have Jez as tier 2 tho lol. The entire tier system is honestly dumb.

That sub is ridiculously pro-MS and loves to downplay any news that cast them in a wrong light, which tracks given that its popularity rose during the "Phil Spencer wore a Sanic shirt, is he buying SEGA" phase of this gen.
Jez is an idiot without a doubt but this guy MAAG would not have this info of which games are in development for PS this far out

Remember all the games that were named coming out with this first four by reputable leakers? How many got those right

MAAG is 100% guessing and has been wrong so many times, and called out so many times, yet people keep following his guesses.
 

DeepEnigma

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The Pro update is ... loading. Just Bethesda things.
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Gamepass was a huge failure for game development. I feel in the future they will distance themself from it.
Difficult to say seeing as its just another conduit to take your games to market beyond the traditional one off digital/physical purchase, i.e. its not a service that demands exclusivity from developers. And from a consumer perspective I think its gone down pretty well, certainly for a casual partaker such as I, and that principally is the market its targetting (i.e. the largest of portion of gamers who find it difficult to justify dropping 70 quid on a new release).
 
I bet Sony would allow it if it would be a slightly cheaper first party only gamepass version.
...actually that's not a bad idea - a slightly insideous strategy to expose PS gamers to GP with the hope they'll upgrade to the full GP service elsewhere. Probably not of course, but I bet there were many ideas floating about how to dig themselves out of that hole they seem to be enjoying at the mo....
 

Fabieter

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...actually that's not a bad idea - a slightly insideous strategy to expose PS gamers to GP with the hope they'll upgrade to the full GP service elsewhere. Probably not of course, but I bet there were many ideas floating about how to dig themselves out of that hole they seem to be enjoying at the mo....

I think Ms actually saw that they are a software first company and margins are alot better compared to hardware.
 

Astray

Member
Putting their games on other systems just makes sense. What I said back in February is still my opinion. They need to detail what existing Xbox customers are going to get out of this arrangement with specifics. Then, they can do whatever they like with multiplatform stuff. If they don't do it in that order, people will obviously feel burned.

If they explain in detail that we're going to be getting a powerful new "console" and/or handheld in 1-3 years that also loads Steam, Epic, GOG, and all my previous purchases, as well as GP, I will consider myself the clear winner in this exchange. Makes no difference to me if PS gamers want to suddenly do a 180 and play all these games at $70 a pop after talking shit on them for years. I'll basically have everything I want at that point, and Sony gamers can fund it. But, if Xbox gamers are getting nothing in this transition except bad news, that's just extremely poorly thought out messaging that will lead to your customers leaving. Just seems logical to detail what is happening for your current customers first.
I think what you are saying is reasonable to expect as a paying customer who wants the business he's invested time and $ into to be respectful and mindful of your needs.

However, I think the reason they're not detailing any of this right now is that they know that what's coming from their pipeline will definitely piss you off and not make you happy.

Re: the $70 thing: I think it's important to note that almost no one buys every single game at full price, some times you get busy with other games or your budget just doesn't allow for it. In that sense, Microsoft would be seen by Sony or Nintendo players in a similar vein to Sega or Capcom etc.

The core idea that largely was proven with Sea of Thieves or Grounded is that gamers are more than OK trying out Microsoft published games even at full price, but not to the point of going out and spending hundreds of dollars extra for the privilege.

I personally have some serious doubts over the next gen Xbox plans and I think there will be wrinkles to it that aren't being shown or anticipated right now.

That's fine, but what I'm saying is that a game is obviously not held to a strict release schedule due to any contract. The games will still get released, the question is when.
Agreed.

True, however the logic of dumping your 1st party catelogue onto a competitors platform whilst eroding the appeal of hardware which your trying to promote doesn't really make too much business sense. There has to be some kind or angle /strategy here if the intention is continue producing hardware (who knows if they will when the time comes around), and allowing releases on PS consoles cannot just be a short term money grab, that would be somewhat disengenous to say the least. Who knows - we'll see how this all pans out in the end...
I'm putting on my demand planning hat here, but if their hardware platform already doesn't make ends meet to the point where it justifies the investment, then cannibalizing that weak baseline demand in favor of better incremental software sales volume is the right way to go.

Being a 3rd party publisher is something Microsoft can do far better than being a hardware platform holder imo.

Jez is an idiot without a doubt but this guy MAAG would not have this info of which games are in development for PS this far out

Remember all the games that were named coming out with this first four by reputable leakers? How many got those right

MAAG is 100% guessing and has been wrong so many times, and called out so many times, yet people keep following his guesses.
I actually went back to the original podcast where he comes on (its not his), and while I don't think he's this impeccable source.

I think there's a lot of smoke that points to what he's saying.

...actually that's not a bad idea - a slightly insideous strategy to expose PS gamers to GP with the hope they'll upgrade to the full GP service elsewhere. Probably not of course, but I bet there were many ideas floating about how to dig themselves out of that hole they seem to be enjoying at the mo....
Yeah that might have flown when they were smaller, there's no way Nintendo or Playstation allow them to cannibalize their paying customers like that.
 
I'm putting on my demand planning hat here, but if their hardware platform already doesn't make ends meet to the point where it justifies the investment, then cannibalizing that weak baseline demand in favor of better incremental software sales volume is the right way to go.

Being a 3rd party publisher is something Microsoft can do far better than being a hardware platform holder imo.

I think if the concluded strategy is to revert to 3rd party publishing only, then from a business perspective the Xbox would be put to sleep quickly - no point stringing out its final months/years on costly life support. To me it looks like MS is putting GP at the forefront of its strategy, and at present the xbox is the only means to take GP to the casual market, which it needs if its going to succeed (a PC/Mac only GP strategy is too boxed in). Unless of course someone else steps in with a genric GP-focused device that can sit under the TV that is... which is plausible.
 
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evolve

Neo Member
Makes perfect sense that MS would want to slow down ports to PS after the negative reaction to Indy.
Does it? Did they expect a good reaction from the xbox fans ? Do you make multi million dollar business decisions based on what Joe and Bill say on twitter? Are they expecting a better reaction if, let's say, Gears E-Day comes to playstation 1 year later instead of 6 months?
 
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Topher

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Does it? Did they expect a good reaction from the xbox fans ?

My guess is they miscalculated badly. I mean....somehow they thought that Indy reveal for PS5 was a good idea. Shows how clueless Xbox leadership really is, imo.

Do you make multi million dollar business decisions based on what Joe and Bill say on twitter? Are they expecting a better reaction if, let's say, Gears E-Day comes to playstation 1 year later instead of 6 months?

Not the first time Microsoft has had to make changes due to negative reaction. Price increase of XLG comes immediately to mind.
 
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HeWhoWalks

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My guess is they miscalculated badly. I mean....somehow they thought that Indy reveal for PS5 was a good idea. Shows how clueless Xbox leadership really is, imo.
Maybe they’re trying to indirectly tell their fan base to get over it! 🤣

For now, it’s stand back and standby!
 

evolve

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My guess is they miscalculated badly. I mean....somehow they thought that Indy reveal for PS5 was a good idea. Shows how clueless Xbox leadership really is, imo.



Not the first time Microsoft has had to make changes due to negative reaction. Price increase of XLG comes immediately to mind.
I think Indy reveal for PS5 was a good idea if their priority is money.

Which is why this backpedalling makes no sense to me.
 
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Punished Miku

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I think Indy reveal for PS5 was a good idea if their priority is money.

Which is why this backpedalling makes no sense to me.
Everyone is just guessing. But I wouldn't be shocked if stuff with licensed IP is going to be announced multiplat much earlier than their other stuff. Indiana Jones or Blade, basically. But I guess we'll see when Fable comes out if we hear something about PS5 in 2 months, 1 year, or never. I think it's all going multiplat eventually.
 
At this point it seems Xbox is heading to be a Game Pass machine to me, i might get one in the future just to play games if they will offer them on GP.

What a huge downfall, when they bought those studios like ZeniMax and Activision i was sure they were going to be head to head with Sony, and games like CoD or Fallout will be only playable on Xbox... and only a few years and they closes a studio like Arkane, and they came so low to actually give up on exclusives. I doesn't bother me as i will get a PS6 day one anyway but wow a bit hard to believe.
 
At this point it seems Xbox is heading to be a Game Pass machine to me, i might get one in the future just to play games if they will offer them on GP.

What a huge downfall, when they bought those studios like ZeniMax and Activision i was sure they were going to be head to head with Sony, and games like CoD or Fallout will be only playable on Xbox... and only a few years and they closes a studio like Arkane, and they came so low to actually give up on exclusives. I doesn't bother me as i will get a PS6 day one anyway but wow a bit hard to believe.
nobody cares about gamepass, you can rent anywhere.
 
Yeah that might have flown when they were smaller, there's no way Nintendo or Playstation allow them to cannibalize their paying customers like that.

Ah what I meant was exposing people on PS to the potential delights of GP with a stripped back sub, enticing them to subscribe to full sub on another platform (PC or whatevs). A bit like hanging around schools offering some pre rolled joints to kids, but they have to go around the corner to experience the good stuff. Insidious marketing strategies etc.
 

Sethbacca

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I bet Sony would allow it if it would be a slightly cheaper first party only gamepass version.
I don't see why they wouldnt, EA and Ubi each have their own sub services on PS. So long as it's a version of GamePass that doesn't have 3rd party games that are otherwise available on PS then it should be a non issue.
 

evolve

Neo Member
More than happy for ps5 players to continue to fund these games being day one on gamepass. Thanks Sony bros.
They have already taken out the 'day 1' releases from the console-now standard- tier. They are even taking out older first party games. So I don't think day 1 is a sure thing anymore even for ultimate. I think they'll see what kind of impact COD has on the service and will go from there.
 

Jaybe

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More than happy for ps5 players to continue to fund these games being day one on gamepass. Thanks Sony bros.

More like saving studios from closure (which is certainly a good thing) though I’m skeptical Ninja Theory and Turn 10 survive, even if their games are ported.
 

King Dazzar

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Sadly Xbox overly monitors those reactions, always have

Maybe if Sony would have paid closer attention to reactions Concord would have been delayed and reworked though

My guess is they miscalculated badly. I mean....somehow they thought that Indy reveal for PS5 was a good idea. Shows how clueless Xbox leadership really is, imo.
They've helped make the monster they've got today in terms of their shills and fan base. I just dont get how they thought the drop they did and the way they did it. Would not be received any other way than it was with that monster. And then allow that to steer future projects... just another head scratcher. IF its all true of course.
 
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DeepEnigma

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My guess is they miscalculated badly. I mean....somehow they thought that Indy reveal for PS5 was a good idea. Shows how clueless Xbox leadership really is, imo.



Not the first time Microsoft has had to make changes due to negative reaction. Price increase of XLG comes immediately to mind.
They need to ignore their social media. Only problem is, they curated the evangelistic tribe so much over the past decade, and alienated so many "normies" which other platforms have in a 4 to 1 or even 8 to 1 clip in those consumers, that they made the bed they now lay in.
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Stafford

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Eventually? Oh very likely, it's clearly their direction but day one? I don't think that will happen at all. I think the next Xbox will have several (timed) exclusives at launch, eventually going to PS platforms. But we'll see. No point in worrying about it.
 

Topher

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More than happy for ps5 players to continue to fund these games being day one on gamepass. Thanks Sony bros.

I thought Game Pass was already "sustainable". Now it depends on "Sony bros"?

I swear that goalpost was right over there.....

They've helped make the monster they've got today in terms of their shills and fan base. I just dont get how they thought the drop they did and the way they did it. Would not be received any other way than it was with that monster. And then allow that to steer future projects... just another head scratcher. IF its all true of course.

I mean.....the entire rest of the show was instantly forgotten and everyone was talking about the "one more thing" at the end that put the PS5 version on this massive pedestal. Still don't know what they were thinking.

They need to ignore their social media. Only problem is, they curated the evangelistic tribe so much over the past decade, and alienated so many "normies" which other platforms have in a 4 to 1 or even 8 to 1 clip in those consumers, that they made the bed they now lay in.
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Yep. Time to rip that bandaid off. Kicking the can down the road isn't going to make this any easier.
 

REDRZA MWS

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People have to ask themselves why they should continue investing in this ecosystem if it has no future and what benefits there are to getting an xbox if you can just get a PS5 or Pro and safeguard your games in the future.
Because you can always play your Xbox library on PC.
 
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