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Seahawks offer Russell Wilson $21M/year; wants more
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i'm sure he met the minimum passes to be qualified
hodayathink
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The problem Seattle has is that they have NO playmakers on offense besides Lynch and Wilson and now Graham (seriously, their WR are basically castoffs and nobodies), and there's no obvious replacement out there for him, either in free agency next year or where they'd be drafting in the draft. Anyone that calls him a game manager clearly doesn't watch Seattle games. Sure, they could sit there and let him walk, but unless they hit another home run in the draft at QB, they'd be taking an assured step back while the rest of the team is in their prime.
Seattle's pretty damn good at drafting, if you look at where they took some of their star players. They haven't done that great in the past couple years, though.
Seattle's pretty damn good at drafting, if you look at where they took some of their star players. They haven't done that great in the past couple years, though.
They have drafted very well and no doubt that is part of what they are going to rationalize as their answer.
That or that hopefully they can convince Wilson to restructure in a year or two if the team starts to struggle.
I agree totally. Another perspective of note here is that the Patriots do the exact opposite of this, and it's been a key contributor to their long term success. You don't get paid in NE for past performances, doesn't matter who you are. It may be ruthless but it works. Will be very interesting to see what happens when Brady inevitably drops off.
I think this is especially true this season since they will now have the second or third best TE in football. If Wilson is as good as everyone says he is this upcoming season should be his best. A good TE with some complimentary WRs can be very deadly. Especially with that running game. A breakout year with better offensive numbers and the Seahawks won't have a choice but to sign him for that money.
I get the feeling Wilson wanting more money is going to come back to bite him. Either he's going to get injured or have a bad season and he'll never see that $21 million/year offer again.
Not to mention that by paying him that much or more per year is going to make his team worse because they'll have a harder time signing other players. Since he's on a rookie deal right now, they can spend a lot of money on that Defense that they couldn't if Wilson is taking up a huge chunk of the Salary Cap.
Not to mention that by paying him that much or more per year is going to make his team worse because they'll have a harder time signing other players. Since he's on a rookie deal right now, they can spend a lot of money on that Defense that they couldn't if Wilson is taking up a huge chunk of the Salary Cap.
DrForester
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The Seahawks have proved something these last few years. You don't need a great Quarterback if you surround him with better players. I say ditch him and get a $10 teeball stand for Lynch.
He's a good QB, but he's not a top tier one.
He's a good QB, but he's not a top tier one.
tiggerkiddo
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If Seattle won't, half the league will be happy to oblige.
A huge contract would make it tough to resign some of their other players in line for a payday(Hello Wagner). Tough position to be in.
A huge contract would make it tough to resign some of their other players in line for a payday(Hello Wagner). Tough position to be in.
I don't think "half the league" is that stupid. They all watch tape on him, they know his weaknesses as well as everyone else.
Give War A Chance
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Great defense + slightly above average QB can win you a ring.
Great QB (not named Peyton Manning) + slightly above average defense can win you a ring.
Unfortunately, this rumored deal would, eventually, kick Seattle out of both of these scenarios.
Great QB (not named Peyton Manning) + slightly above average defense can win you a ring.
Unfortunately, this rumored deal would, eventually, kick Seattle out of both of these scenarios.
Yeah, if you have one of the best defenses in league history and a current top-tier RB, you can afford to have a decent QB instead of a great one. Why don't other teams do this?
I don't know about this. He's now got a legit weapon to throw to. A great TE can open up a lot on offense especially with the running game he has already. The defense is almost always going to put Wilson in pretty good position. The ingredients are there for a break out offensive season. Couple years in the league, amazing defense, great running game, and now he has a really good TE. Red area is going to be much harder to defend now against the Seahawks. Table is set for the Seahawks to break out offensively.
Elfforkusu
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QB is the one position where the player actually has the leverage. Imagine if he hit the FA market. Would be madness.
Russell is a top 10 qb, maybe a top 5 considering his youth. He's not rodgers/luck, but he's in that second tier.
(He won't leave, seahwaks will pay up)
Russell is a top 10 qb, maybe a top 5 considering his youth. He's not rodgers/luck, but he's in that second tier.
(He won't leave, seahwaks will pay up)
Jason's Ultimatum
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he's fucking THIRTY? Good lord.
Jason's Ultimatum
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the chosen one has spoken. His word is final.
Unknown Soldier
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Too bad they didn't run the ball on 2nd down.
Part of me wonders if Wilson would have gotten all he wanted and more if they had run it on 2nd down. Maybe it's better this way.
Part of me wonders if Wilson would have gotten all he wanted and more if they had run it on 2nd down. Maybe it's better this way.
Half the league might be an exaggeration, but there are going to be a bunch of teams bidding for his services. Shit there are two in the AFC East that would kill to have him. He would immediately improve the Jets and Bills. Both have good defenses. There are probably 10 teams right now that could use him at QB, and that isn't an exaggeration.
The Seahawks will also learn another lesson if they let him go. Reliable quarterbacks are hard to come by. They are playing a very dangerous game if they don't sign him. The days where just an elite defense is enough to win the super bowl is over.
FrenchMovieTheme
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half the league wouldn't pay wussle $25 mil (or whatever he's looking for) per year because half the league doesn't have seattles defense or running game.
i think he is vastly underpaid, just as a ton of productive rookies are, but he is nowhere near elite. i wouldn't put him as a top 10 QB in the league but he is good for the style seattle plays so he is definitely a top 5 QB FOR SEATTLE. their pass blocking is so awful they need a QB like wussle back there. so while i think a guy like flacco or eli are better than wussle, i don't think they'd fit as well in seattle as wuss does. still, you replace wussle with a ton of QB's in the league (and im talking starters and some backups) and seattle is still a playoff team. you put wussle on the jags (for instance) do they really improve much? highly doubt it.
ultimately i hope seattle pays the fuck out of him. i hope he gets the $25 mil per year or even more! first off as others have said it will make seattle a worse team but secondly fuck these owners. dumb motherfuckers make cash hand over fist off these players and i don't think the players are paid their fair share considering what they bring in
i think he is vastly underpaid, just as a ton of productive rookies are, but he is nowhere near elite. i wouldn't put him as a top 10 QB in the league but he is good for the style seattle plays so he is definitely a top 5 QB FOR SEATTLE. their pass blocking is so awful they need a QB like wussle back there. so while i think a guy like flacco or eli are better than wussle, i don't think they'd fit as well in seattle as wuss does. still, you replace wussle with a ton of QB's in the league (and im talking starters and some backups) and seattle is still a playoff team. you put wussle on the jags (for instance) do they really improve much? highly doubt it.
ultimately i hope seattle pays the fuck out of him. i hope he gets the $25 mil per year or even more! first off as others have said it will make seattle a worse team but secondly fuck these owners. dumb motherfuckers make cash hand over fist off these players and i don't think the players are paid their fair share considering what they bring in
That was a good throw, just better defense.
$21 million baby!
FrenchMovieTheme
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it's not a bad throw but it's not the type of throw an elite QB makes
MetalFearSolid
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FMT is right look at what his 49ers did by paying Kap. Look at the team now.
FrenchMovieTheme
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seahawks would kill for wussle to take a team friendly deal like kap did but he's not a team player like kap is
His MLB rights are owned by the Rangers now right? The thing is he could make significantly more guaranteed money playing baseball than football.
I am sure it would work out real well for Seattle to let Russell walk.
Seattle has no choice but to pay him. They would be crucified if they let him go, regardless of how he did at whatever team he went to.
Yeah but the offered him $21 million and he wanted more. If it's borderline at $21 million fuck going up.
he's got tattoos and backwards caps won't ever be a leader. probably doesn't even know what scriptures are etched in his back either
he's probably going to blow all on money cars clothes and hoes. what do you know about that fmt
hodayathink
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Teams that would sign him right now for $20-$22 million if they could:
Philadelphia, Washington, San Francisco, St. Louis, Chicago, Minnesota, Buffalo, Miami, NY Jets, Kansas City, Oakland, Cleveland, Houston, Jacksonville.
Tampa Bay and Tennessee would have paid him that if they hadn't drafted a QB this year, and if either QB tanks would be willing to pay it next year.
That makes 16 teams, and literally half the league.
Except that he's not a very good baseball player. We aren't talking John Elway. We're not even talking Drew Henson here.
FrenchMovieTheme
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Doubtful. Wilson is really in the perfect situation in Seattle. Great run game/o-line, great defense. How many teams can replicate or at least come close to that environment? I'm not sure he can walk into a situation and be an Aaron Rodgers type QB.who can do everything, plus not require high draft picks spent on offensive weapons.
My general view on this...pay the man. If not for Carrol trying to get cute, the Seahawks would have two Superbowl rings. On paper Wilson should have a great year BTW. I'm still stunned they got Jimmy Graham...
FrenchMovieTheme
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lolollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
none of those teams would pay wussle $20-$22 mil right now for a variety of reasons (either they are already paying a QB lots of money or the QB they have is better than/equal to wussle or a combo of both)
Owners never want to pay a player what they are worth, it's why they use the cap against them and try to make them feel like assholes for getting market value. Make no mistake whatever Wilson wants there is a team willing to pay it. Reason these players ask for more than Peyton, Rodgers, Brees etc is because the salary cap gets expanded every year thus allowing teams to pay more. Don't pay him and you get stuck with a Flynn, or Worse yet a Dalton, a player that will never win for you but is difficult to replace due to the scarcity of talent at the position.
The pass was fine. Butler just made an insane jump inside to get it.
I've seen elite QBs make the exact same throw, it's just that this time some no-name guy who practiced this exact route the week before made the play of his life.
Velcro Fly
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Is he going to be a UFA after this year or RFA
Can't wait to see teams trying to poison pill Seattle for this dude
He's good but not as good as he thinks he is.
Can't wait to see teams trying to poison pill Seattle for this dude
He's good but not as good as he thinks he is.
hodayathink
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Part of "if they could" is if they could dump the QB they're paying right now without a salary cap hit.
FrenchMovieTheme
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The pass was fine. Butler just made an insane jump inside to get it.
I've seen elite QBs make the exact same throw, it's just that this time some no-name guy who practiced this exact route the week before made the play of his life.
the throw wasn't elite. if you are saying that elite QB's have made bad throws before well... of course they have. are you telling me that you think russell wilson is an elite QB?
FrenchMovieTheme
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i bolded the teams previously
It's not half, but there is a good size of teams that would be bidding for him. The Jets and Bills to me seem like no brainers. Of course this is assuming they have the cap space. Really all you need is a couple of teams to drive up the price. Jets could do that all by themselves quite easily. If Russel goes out and has a good season there will be several teams bidding for his services. Even if he goes out and does what he has been doing there are still going to be teams bidding for his services.
FrenchMovieTheme
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here are the teams that i think would make a big offer to wuss:
bills
jets
browns
texans
eagles
bears (assuming cutlers contract was off the books/cap)
cardinals (assuming palmers contract was off the books)
rams
so 1/4th of the league
hodayathink
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Minnesota would absolutely dump Bridgewater for Wilson. Not that they're going to for any number of reasons, but if they had the opportunity to, they would.
FrenchMovieTheme
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you think they would dump bridgewater, who has shown promise and getting paid peanuts, to pay a guy $25 mil a year to take the team nowhere? putting russell wilson on the vikings doesn't turn the vikings into a playoff team so why bother?
RetrospectiveLamb
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If Seattle gives him want he wants, good luck to them trying to keep all their defensive talent and everyone else happy. Wilson should just accept offer like he would be insane not to accept that kind of raise
Honestly don't even need that many. Just need like two or three. Shit I've seen the Red Sox bid against themselves for a player on the whispers that the Yankees were interested. If one team offers him funny money it puts the Seahawks in a really tough spot. It's an interesting situation. Of those teams the Bills scare me the most. The coaching sucks balls, but that defense is insane. With just a solid qb they would be terrifying to play against.
Simply no way they would dump Bridgewater for wilson. Wilson is not the kind of qb that is going to take a shit team to the playoffs.
FrenchMovieTheme
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oh i have no doubt that he would score a huge contract as a free agent, perhaps even that $25 mil (barring a complete dog shit season this year). i was just disputing that half the league would be lining up to pay him
Nah, Teddy's already good enough, especially at his salary. Vikings are building the right way and aren't in some foolish win now mode. He got screwed over performing badly in shorts prior to the draft and plenty of teams of kicking themselves over not picking him. He should at worst end up as a above avg. QB.
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