Seahawks offer Russell Wilson $21M/year; wants more
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That's the extension I want to see. Watch Luck pull in $24-25 million a year.
unknownstranger
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He's not really gaining any leverage at this point. He might make more in a few years with someone else, but he's only getting 1.5 million this year unless he signs an extension and we add 5-10 million onto it. So it's up to him to decide whether to get more money now, or get it later and risk injuries (I don't think guaranteed money is the issue).
Maybe but whoever was runner up in the Luck sweepstakes would pay Wilson 1-2million within Luck's per year avg.
timetokill
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Seriously. You'd have to be crazy to think Wilson is worth even close to as much as Luck.
unknownstranger
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Also something's that's gone almost unnoticed during this stand off is we still haven't extended Bobby Wagner who's been a bigger part of our recent success than Wilson IMO.
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Basileus777
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Yeah, I think he's going to have to sign an extension, this is just another last minute plot to see if he can pressure Seattle. Who knows if it will work, I'm just not going to fault him or his agent for playing the negotiating game.
LoL, im sorry this BS. While Wagner is a great player no LB is worth as much as a franchise QB. Besides Thomas is the best defensive player on that team and you could pu him on the Redskins and we are still horrible, while if we had Wilson we are competitive in the division.
I'd dump him for a vet in a trade. Someone mentioned rivers a few posts back, and while I admititedly haven't been following the Chargers in a while, I think Rivers would do well behind that defense and a back like lynch.
Even if the vet retires in a few years, you still give yourself time to make moves and hope for luck in the draft.
Better than slowly watching what's left of your team erode due to you busting a shitload of your cap on one player while your team sure as shit isn't getting any younger.
Even if the vet retires in a few years, you still give yourself time to make moves and hope for luck in the draft.
Better than slowly watching what's left of your team erode due to you busting a shitload of your cap on one player while your team sure as shit isn't getting any younger.
Not gonna happen. Rivers makes 17million this year then becomes a FA next year, only way this works in Seattle's favor if he takes a massive paycut in a new contract which isn't going to happen.
hodayathink
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Realistically, the contract you'd try to trade for (again, the contract, not the player) is Cutler. About 16 million this year and next, and then team options for the next few years at about $13 million or so plus bonuses (so a cap hit of about $16 million for the next 4 years).
Velcro Fly
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yeah but then you have jay cutler on your team
evil solrac v3.0
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he may make more money in Baseball IF he were, you know, good at it. he has very good hands, he's good defensively, has a great arm to play short, 3rd, 2nd even CF. but his hitting is lacking. if he had a couple of full seasons to learn how to hit, how to recognize pitches,shorten his swing. he could be very good. but I don't know if he would a 21 million a year player.
unknownstranger
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Only QB I'd really be interested in is Bridgewater. Cheap for the next few years and then one year where we have to pay him more but keep him from hitting Free Agency.
Pop
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I'm no Ravens fan but Flacco is easily in the top 10 of QBs in the game right now. He really shines in the playoffs, elite status.
Back to OP, Wilson isn't worth $20m a year. Hes a good QB, accomplished great things so far. Take away that beast Defense and I believe hes average at best.
Dougieflesh
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Please don't pay him so that he can come to the Eagles. Chip would have a wet dream designing an offense around him.
$21 million baby!
It's still so, so painful to watch that.
He can't hit the offspeed pitches, and his arm isn't good enough for shortstop.
Oh, and that Rivers for Wilson swap- I'd love it if that happened- would be funny if two NCSU quarterbacks won Superbowls with the same team. (and Wilson is a State QB- he graduated from there, it's not his fault Tom O'Brien had his hand forced by Mike Glennon- who also made the NFL)
I want to see Rivers win the big one before he hangs it up. Even if it was against the Panthers I'd be rooting for Rivers.
I'd take Wilson over Cam. Wilson could win a SB on most teams.
Was gonna say, this is just how it is now it seems.
Like in a vacuum I certainly wouldn't say Wilson is worth $20 mill, but if you don't have a decent QB in the NFL you have nothing.
Do people really believe this? I'm no Seahawks fan, but Russel is a damn good QB. He's athletic enough to be a threat the defense has to keep in mind, but also has plenty of composure and smarts about it, unlike many other running QB's and can throw the ball on the run as well as anybody out there, including Aaron Rodgers. He's got a strong arm for deep passes, has never had a top flight receiving core and *usually* makes smart, accurate throws. The Superbowl was not typical Russel, it was a complete abnormality and a terrible day for the guy.
I can totally see plenty of teams super eager to get their hands on him if they get the opportunity. But I'm pretty sure Seattle will pay the guy. This is all just part of negotiations.
Yes, people believe it because it's true.
DrForester
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$21 million baby!
This .gif never fails to cheer me up.
TheLostBigBoss
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Nope, it was a good call.
It was a time issue. One of the three plays had to be a pass due to the issue of time remaining in the game. Wilson simply threw a bad pass for that situation and play.
$21 million baby!
Dumbest shit I've ever seen on tv.
But they have to the pay the man.
hodayathink
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I'm stealing this from an ESPN article, but to the idea that he's a "game manager"/can't run a high scoring offense:
Seattle's offense isn't designed around him throwing a lot, and hasn't been since he came into the league. That doesn't mean he's incapable of doing it in an efficient manner.
TheLostBigBoss
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After what happened in the NFC Championship game, I think the organization has somewhat cooled off on Wilson. In their minds it was the defense that created the two Superbowl runs, and I'm sure they are holding that game over his head.
The teams don't really have any leverage, if they won't pay him he can easily find a team that will.
Captain.Falafel
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That's the thing; he has that defense. He knows that system. He's a respected leader within the team. He hasn't let them down on their mission to win their division and get to the Super Bowl. The coach trusts him, has faith in him, and knows how to play to his strengths and cover for his weaknesses. He's a good face for the organization.
People are undervaluing continuity, trust, and respect within a franchise. This isn't about who is better than Russell Wilson at the same price point, it's about what the value is of maintaining your (successful) core versus the unknown of upheaval.
Wilson's been, easily, the most underpaid player in the league since he was drafted and he would easily get more than this on the open market so I understand why he's holding out for more. Good for him. And I say that as a Seahawks fan who would probably rate him as a top 10 qb, no higher.
Limited Edition
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Is the man worth good money? Yes. Is he worth 21 million? No. The defense did a lot of the work on that team the past few years. I could see 10-15 million a year, but 20+? Nah. Put that money to good use elsewhere.
DietRob
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Seattle has the team in place to stay immediately competitive if they decide to pay Wussle. Will he be 'overpaid' sure he will be but that overpayment puts Seattle right back in the playoffs and beyond next year so if the organization doesn't do it they are stupid.
Also Russel has to be counting his lucky stars that the team he plays for is in this position. Fuck it. Pay the man.
Also Russel has to be counting his lucky stars that the team he plays for is in this position. Fuck it. Pay the man.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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And he's more than welcome to make $25mm and be a raider for the rest of his career.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Joe Flacco had the greatest postseason run ever by a QB and continued to be a fucking animal last year in the playoffs. Wilson's not on January Joe's level come postseason time.
TheLostBigBoss
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Yea, their coach created a game plan where Flacco lobs it up and baits defensive pass interference.
What an elite QB
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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11 TDs and 0 interceptions in one postseason. The only QB to ever do that besides him? Montana.
Went on a streak throwing 17 TDs in the playoffs without throwing a pick? All Flacco.
You can say whatever you want about him in the regular season but when it comes to the postseason, that man is on another level.
Seems like reducing the finances you have available to pay the other members of the team could also create upheaval. The remaining core will become damaged by salary caps.
lol are people really acting like Luck and Wilson are comparable talents
Dreams-Visions
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He can play football for a decade and there's no reason to believe he'll do anything but get better from here.
Pay this man his fuckin money or someone else will.
Browns: if Seattle won't pony up, go get him.
As a 49er fan I hope he gets that money. I'd really like for seattle to have 20mil a year less to spend on other positions.
Besides, bad decision and poor throw in the super bowl aside, he is a damn good QB. Shit happens...have never seen a QB that never made mistakes.
Besides, bad decision and poor throw in the super bowl aside, he is a damn good QB. Shit happens...have never seen a QB that never made mistakes.
Different skill sets but whichever one gets a contract first the other will demand higher.
I think they are. Saying this as someone that despises Seattle and was on the Luck bandwagon while most of GAF was going on and on about how much better RG3 was. Not saying Wilson is exactly as good but he can be in that conversation.
breadtruck
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He aint better than Aaron, thats for sure.
No other QB is anywhere near as successful at doing it as Flacco, so he's doing something right.
TheLostBigBoss
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"Guys... I've discovered something amazing!"
"What is it Flacco, tell us what you have found!"
"What if, now hang with me... What if instead of throwing it ahead of the receivers when I toss it up, I under throw the ball and force the receivers to come back to it, running into the defenders!"
"My god Flacco..."
He piled up those stats throwing to dinosaur Reggie Wayne, TY Hilton, and Coby Fleener. Of course, wiith no run game so that pass is expected and gameplanned against. That's not much of a huge difference, is there? People said Wilson had 'no weapons' when Golden Tate was there, and he goes to Detroit and has a great season.
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