Kanbee-san
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Dan said:
and your point ?
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and your point ?
Kanbee-san said:
Let's see. My favorite series is Resident Evil, which is admittedly on the GameCube, but also on the PS2. My other favorite series is Pokemon, which is WELL represented on the GBA. And I'd take a Pokemon title over the online, 3d rendered, 5.1 chanel RE Outbreak any day of the week, because it's simply more fun to play.
So nice try.
Kanbee-san
Member
deadlifter said:
Hey.... hold on. My hate isnt just for GBA's. It stems from the lynx. And just how "informed" can someone be if they prefer GBA's over consoles ? GBA games at best dont even rival the greatness of the SNES and its games.
You have a dumb, unfounded opinion and absolutely no argument behind it.
Hitler had dumb, unfounded opinions and charismatic arguments behind them.
Thus, Hitler > you.
Unfounded ? Call it life experience. I have yet to meet a person who prefers handhelds to consoles.
I am not charismatic.
Hitler > Me ? - I am offended. Please dont compare me with hitler.
Kanbee-san said:
The point is there are many good games on GBA. Just because they aren't 3D and they don't have 5.1 digital audio, doesn't mean they aren't great games. Your argument is not a good one since you aren't giving examples on why the GBA isn't comparable to a console. The games are high quality, and that's all that matters.
Hell, i don't even play GBA nearly as much as i do consoles and i'm defending it. That is how flawed your argument is.
Nintendo definately still has a problem, especially when you have a game like Star Ocean that sells just over the amount that Tales of Symphonia has sold since July in less than a month.
And of course I won't get into the Fable vs. Pikmin 2 numbers.
Though I guess I shouldn't be suprised anymore. 2002, when Nintendo released Mario, Star Fox, Metroid and Zelda (early 2003), it didn't spur massive GameCube sales. And I sincerely doubt that either RE4 or the new Zelda will.
And of course I won't get into the Fable vs. Pikmin 2 numbers.
Though I guess I shouldn't be suprised anymore. 2002, when Nintendo released Mario, Star Fox, Metroid and Zelda (early 2003), it didn't spur massive GameCube sales. And I sincerely doubt that either RE4 or the new Zelda will.
Hitler Stole My Potato
Banned
I see this has finally turned into your average GAF NPD thread - so ass fucking retarded it's giving me a headache.
Kudos on another job well done.
Kudos on another job well done.
Kanbee-san
Member
neptunes said:
I thought we were talking civilly ?
Kanbee-san said:
Sorry dude but your opinion's value went right out the window there. I'm 21, have been gaming since the 80s, have all consoles (and Xbox Live) and my SP is my favorite system. Anyone who says shit like you clearly has never played one -- of the top 5 games this gen, the SP is the most well-represented for me with Wario Ware and Mario and Luigi RPG.
Alcibiades
Member
Not only does the GBA library have many SNES and SNES-esque games, it also get 2 Metroid games, 3 Castlevania games, 2 Wars games, Fire Emblem, tons of RPG's like Final Fantasy and Lufia...
Man, I love my SNES and have tons of nostolgia for it, but if it hasn't already, with the impending releases of FFI&II, Kingdom Hearts, The Minnish Cap, Kirby & the amazing Mirror it's likely to surpass it pretty soon...
not only that, you've got an entire GB/GBC color library to mess with, where awesome games like Tetris, Link's Awakening, and Pokemon Puzzle Challenge hold up well against today's games...
on top of that, IT'S PORTABLE!
Man, I love my SNES and have tons of nostolgia for it, but if it hasn't already, with the impending releases of FFI&II, Kingdom Hearts, The Minnish Cap, Kirby & the amazing Mirror it's likely to surpass it pretty soon...
not only that, you've got an entire GB/GBC color library to mess with, where awesome games like Tetris, Link's Awakening, and Pokemon Puzzle Challenge hold up well against today's games...
on top of that, IT'S PORTABLE!
SolidSnakex
Member
Notorious said:
That's it. Pretty much whever the GC is doing badly, the GBA sales are brought up to damage control everything.
Alcibiades
Member
uh, GCN is cheaper, of course it will sell better...Notorious said:
if only that were true...
Nintendo's position in the industry nowadays is just so mind-blowing.
I mean, try to remember back in the 1980s and early 1990s. Nintendo was absolutely massive and dominant. Hell, even during the Nintendo 64 years, their games were still the most popular by far even though the PlayStation outsold the Nintendo 64 by quite a bit overall. Even at the end of the Nintendo 64 era, people -- even consumers who usually don't get into videogame "politics" -- looked at the Nintendo label as a source of near-invincibility in quality.
It's mind-boggling how they let that 1990s dominance totally slip away from them and made them go into a state of irrelevancy.
I mean, try to remember back in the 1980s and early 1990s. Nintendo was absolutely massive and dominant. Hell, even during the Nintendo 64 years, their games were still the most popular by far even though the PlayStation outsold the Nintendo 64 by quite a bit overall. Even at the end of the Nintendo 64 era, people -- even consumers who usually don't get into videogame "politics" -- looked at the Nintendo label as a source of near-invincibility in quality.
It's mind-boggling how they let that 1990s dominance totally slip away from them and made them go into a state of irrelevancy.
Rummy Bunnz
Member
Anyone got Gradius V numbers? Or were they already posted and I missed them? Apologies if so.
kitchenmotors
Banned
snapty00 said:
Do you ever post on anything other than Nintendo = Doomed? It's DAMN FUCKING annoying.
I don't understand how 100,000+ HW is still considered bad? Software is another thing, but Gamecube isn't out of the race yet. It's still doing healthy numbers.
Funny how these threads bring out all the trolls and make people forget about Xbox's FATAL sales in Japan. But once the tables are turned, it's all troll, even if you're being a hypocrite.
Catchpenny
Member
SolidSnakex said:
So you won't bring up the PS2 if PSP is trailing the DS in a year or two, right?
Kanbee-san
Member
Meier said:
I owned a Lynx dude, i bought a gameboy, i bought a GBA SP. Thats where my opinions come from. Dont play the whole, you know nothing, you never even played it... card.
I do like a few GBA games, namely Golden Sun and Advance Wars. I just dont think the system is advanced as it should be. PSP or DS could change this.
I thought the Xbox HW numbers would be higher than that. It outpaced the PS2 by a nominal margin, which can be attributed to two factors: There is an ongoing shortage of PS2 units and the effect of saturation is finally taking hold of its monthly penetration. Star Ocean 3's numbers are the most impressive. Anyone know how Star Ocean 2 fared? Fable's posting isn't that much of a surprise. Given the dearth of quality role playing on the Xbox, it's no wonder that Fable, underwhelming as it is, pushed that many units. When word of its mediocrity spreads, though, I expect the number to taper off considerably.
Alcibiades
Member
awww... are the PS2 and XBox afraid of a little challenge...Chi-Town said:
to quote the man himself:
"YOU CAN RUN... BUT YOU CAN NOT HIDE"
Console and handhelds are two seperate markets. No one goes in comparing PS2 to GBA. Everyone knows most kids want both. It seems to me PS2 has saturated the market more than GBA has to this point. Looking at the attach ratios and overall software sales, Nintendo doing well in just the market it has a temporary monopoly in isn't good.
I mean, save Pokemon, I keep saying practically everything selling well on GBA has a console legacy. Even on PSP, you're getting the most anticipation for PSX/PS2 remakes, never mind N64 and GCN remakes everyone is drooling over.
So considering PS2 has done much better than GCN with new properties:
Pikmin
Animal Crossing
3d Metroid
vs
SOCOM
The Getaway
Jak & Daxter
R&C
Sly Cooper
ATVORF
Killzone
Primal
Ico
Mark of Kri
Dark Cloud
Downhill Domination
- I can't see how anyone can believe DS isn't in for a huge fight for market leadership let alone stomping PSP out to keep the monopoly.
Yeah, Nintendo's got the bigger legacy, but GT, Hot Shots, Twisted Metal, and 989 Sports aren't exactly pushovers either.
Sony will probably trip up (in multiple ways) its start up again like with PS and PS2, but we all know what happened in the end when the fight was over.
So, ok, for one month the market with recreated properties was almost bigger than the market with original properties instead of a fraction of it like normal because of a price drop and a killer app.
I mean, save Pokemon, I keep saying practically everything selling well on GBA has a console legacy. Even on PSP, you're getting the most anticipation for PSX/PS2 remakes, never mind N64 and GCN remakes everyone is drooling over.
So considering PS2 has done much better than GCN with new properties:
Pikmin
Animal Crossing
3d Metroid
vs
SOCOM
The Getaway
Jak & Daxter
R&C
Sly Cooper
ATVORF
Killzone
Primal
Ico
Mark of Kri
Dark Cloud
Downhill Domination
- I can't see how anyone can believe DS isn't in for a huge fight for market leadership let alone stomping PSP out to keep the monopoly.
Yeah, Nintendo's got the bigger legacy, but GT, Hot Shots, Twisted Metal, and 989 Sports aren't exactly pushovers either.
Sony will probably trip up (in multiple ways) its start up again like with PS and PS2, but we all know what happened in the end when the fight was over.
So, ok, for one month the market with recreated properties was almost bigger than the market with original properties instead of a fraction of it like normal because of a price drop and a killer app.
What can they really do realistically, though? :\Suranga3 said:
To really make a dent in the next year, they would have had to start making changes years ago. It's just too late, so in a way, I guess Nintendo is doing the right thing by just hoping for the best on a month-by-month basis and hoping it can make a tiny profit from GameCube rather than spending anymore significant amount of money pushing it.
Still, it's pretty wild how much Nintendo's position has plummeted over the years.
Catchpenny
Member
unkasa said:
I've seen this sentiment several times in this thread and I can't really agree. This is Square Enix's flagship title for the year and had a substantial tv ad campaign. It was out for almost the entire month, a quarter of a million in sales should be expected. In fact, it pales in comparison to Fable.
Hopefully Dragon Quest can do better than this in America.
Rocket Punch
Member
I think a lot of people argue out of ignorance against GBA. I've said it before. Nintendo portable software is some of the most compelling software around. Games like Pokémon, Astro Boy: Omega Factor, Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga, Advance Wars 1+2, Warioware and Fire Emblem can attest to this.
The fact that they are on a handheld doesn't take away the fact that they are as addictive and enthralling as their console counterparts. So, there's those who would argue they are equally or even more appealing than flashy 3D games with 5.1 surround, so what? I too find myself playing gameboy more often than my other consoles. It's called personal preference.
The fact that they are on a handheld doesn't take away the fact that they are as addictive and enthralling as their console counterparts. So, there's those who would argue they are equally or even more appealing than flashy 3D games with 5.1 surround, so what? I too find myself playing gameboy more often than my other consoles. It's called personal preference.
SolidSnakex
Member
Catchpenny said:
No, they aren't in the same market. If the PSP does bad it does bad. Comparing the PS2 to the DS or GBA won't make the PSP's sales look any better.
God, this thread stinks now.
Anyway: I am wondering if Nintendo views their console hardware as expendible.
on a related note: I am willing to bet that most people DO buy GBAs as toys for their kids. Look at the games that sell. Very low games sales on GBA, but in titles selling 100K-80K per se you get a LOT of titles. A lot of the higher selling titles also seem to be licenses directed towards kids (except Nintendo's "open to all age groups" games).
Heck, my mom buys my little brother GBA games whenever she goes to wal-mart or Target or wherever else in exchange for another toy or candy.
Anyway: I am wondering if Nintendo views their console hardware as expendible.
on a related note: I am willing to bet that most people DO buy GBAs as toys for their kids. Look at the games that sell. Very low games sales on GBA, but in titles selling 100K-80K per se you get a LOT of titles. A lot of the higher selling titles also seem to be licenses directed towards kids (except Nintendo's "open to all age groups" games).
Heck, my mom buys my little brother GBA games whenever she goes to wal-mart or Target or wherever else in exchange for another toy or candy.
Sometimes I wonder if it hurts Nintendo that the 'nintendo generation' is currently in their college years. Which means broke ass. Plus less free time. Which is maybe why their portables do great since they are normally cheaper and can be on the go and played in short intervals.
I know the "mature" market is what is constantly being talked about and advertised to, but everyone I know spent more time playing videogames during their teenage years than they do in their 20s and such. I don't think Nintendo is getting today's Teenager, let alone the older trend hoppers. The trend hoppers will dissapear soon, but the teenagers hang on.
I know the "mature" market is what is constantly being talked about and advertised to, but everyone I know spent more time playing videogames during their teenage years than they do in their 20s and such. I don't think Nintendo is getting today's Teenager, let alone the older trend hoppers. The trend hoppers will dissapear soon, but the teenagers hang on.
Who would care, though?Suranga3 said:
The price is already $50 or more cheaper than the competition, and people still aren't buying it.
Honestly, if the GameCube dropped to $20, would it really make a massive spike long-term? I really don't think it would. For about three months, I think you'd see a pretty big spike, but after about a year, I think we'd be right back where we are now.
Last gen, any RPG without the words "Final" and "Fantasy" in them had trouble getting over 300k. Square isn't the brand Final Fantasy is yet. EA is the only publishing brand that seems to sell games on it's own at this point. And even then, it doesn't do it very well.Catchpenny said:
Project Midway
Member
I would probably buy a Gamecube Nintendo if it dropped to $20/20. And if they throw in a free game and memory card, I would buy it for sure.snapty00 said:
I somewhat agree. though I played more video games in college than I did ever. But you are spot on about broke ass college kids. I played more games... a owend a lot less.etiolate said:
we just played the same shit over and over.
edit: shit I replied to something from like three pages ago this thread is FAST :lol
Catchpenny
Member
SolidSnakex said:
So if PSP were doing poorly and people started going about with "SONY IS DOOMED" posts, there wouldn't be a temptation to remind them of how much ass Sony is kicking in the console market?
I agree that consoles and portables aren't really in the same market and shouldn't be treated that way. However, when talking about the fortunes of a company that is in both markets, you can't just focus on one. That goes for the people who want to spin the GBA's success as Nintendo dominance just as much as it goes for people citing GCN's troubles as the death knell for Nintendo.