Skyward Sword review thread [Newest Reviews - Cubed3 10/10, GC: A, AusGamers: 7/10]

Famitsu 40/40
Gamespot 7.5/10

That's a rather large discrepancy although Famitsu has gone crazy in the last six years.

EDGE 10/10
Eurogamer 10/10

Yeah... what ? OK, how many GAF reviews do we have by now ?
 
thefro said:
Gamespot is full of fat fucking reviewers who can't use motion controls anyway.

Considering all the outlets who gave the game perfect scores and Nintendo's excellent track record, I'd say the guy was probably either 1) lying down on a couch trying to play the game or 2) is just trolling for hits.
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Wow, I'm small-talk compared to this guy.
 
sucks that he didn't like the game! i don't buy the idea that nintendo releases a game in one of their biggest series with controls that plain just don't work.
 
Corky said:
Jokes, I laughed a lot when I realized the new threadtitle wasn't a joke.
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I thought the mods were trying to bait me inside this thread again... when I found out that it was the truth, I had to take a shower. Immediately.
 
walking fiend said:
He had been trying to move the sword and bow using IR, I am telling you, this is 'really' what which has happened.
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"There are certain items that require you to aim at the screen. However, the calibration is frequently wrong, forcing you to tap down on the D-pad to recenter. This happens with alarming frequency, and when you find yourself in a heated battle looking directly at the ground, you'll curse the game for damning you with such a cumbersome control scheme."

The fact he was pressing down on the d-pad shows he wasn't just using the IR.
 
thefro said:
Gamespot is full of fat fucking reviewers who can't use motion controls anyway.

Considering all the outlets who gave the game perfect scores and Nintendo's excellent track record, I'd say the guy was probably either 1) lying down on a couch trying to play the game or 2) is just trolling for hits.
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Ah, the sad fate of pioneers.
 
Yoshichan said:
I thought the mods were trying to bait me inside this thread again... when I found out that it was the truth, I had to take a shower. Immediately.
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I'll get you yet Yoshichan. Just you wait.
 
Actually, being seemingly the only person to not play that demo yet, how does aiming work? Does it take the current angle of the Wiimote as the center or something by default, so if you then moved the remote to point directly at the screen like an IR game, it would shift away from that center?
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Actually, being seemingly the only person to not play that demo yet, how does aiming work? Does it take the current angle of the Wiimote as the center or something by default, so if you then moved the remote to point directly at the screen like an IR game, it would shift away from that center?
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Yep, seems to be how it works.

It's ridiculous.
 
Bluemercury said:
The problem is that a 7.5 of a game that keeps getting excellent reviews all around reeks like calling for attention even more when you consider how late the review was out. Also if this gets a 7.5, no matter how great a Zelda game will be, GS will always "ignore" it...
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Are you sure it's not the 10/10 reviews calling out for attention? I mean, the non perfect reviews bring up some good points about the game. The 10/10 reviews ramble on about how everything is bestest ever amazing.

I remember the hype around Twilight Princess, and how it was going to be the greatest game of all time, etc.. Personally I couldn't wait for it to end. I think some gamers are setting themselves up for disappointment, by buying into al of this 10/10 super duper amazing Kool Aid. I'm keeping my expectations grounded, and expecting that there are going to be aspects to the game that I don't really like.
 
butter_stick said:
"There are certain items that require you to aim at the screen. However, the calibration is frequently wrong, forcing you to tap down on the D-pad to recenter. This happens with alarming frequency, and when you find yourself in a heated battle looking directly at the ground, you'll curse the game for damning you with such a cumbersome control scheme."

The fact he was pressing down on the d-pad shows he wasn't just using the IR.
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That's the definition of selective quoting:

cacildo said:
Did the guy really said "IR sucks" in the 7.5 skyward sword review?

Because if he said... well, he just gave a reason for every fanboy to complain about the score.
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Most troubling of all is how the infrared aiming works. There are certain items that require you to aim at the screen. However, the calibration is frequently wrong, forcing you to tap down on the D-pad to recenter.
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He thinks re-centering has something to do with infrared aiming.

RS2 was a fps game and it didn't require re-centering either for shooting or sword fighting. It is a design requirement because of the game being 3rd person.
 
EatChildren said:
I'll get you yet Yoshichan. Just you wait.
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Mwhaha, never! I'll PM Kagari or Duckroll and I'll let them do the banning before you realize anything!
 
thefro said:
Gamespot is full of fat fucking reviewers who can't use motion controls anyway.
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Tom McShea is svelte mofo and well capable of making waggle gestures without being impeded by sausage fingers.

How dare you.
 
EatChildren said:
Motion controls, regardless of responsiveness and integration into the gameplay, were always going to divide people. I have some friends who when put in front of the Wii just cannot grasp the concept behind the pointer, or motion controls. No matter how many tutorials they go through, or how hard I try to teach them, they find the controls clumsy and overly difficult, so much so that the learning curve is too steep an incline for them to climb in order to enjoy the game.
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I don't understand Eatchildren, are you agreeing or disagreeing?

That's why i talk about "independent of preferences" in my preview post. I.E. When properly setup Wii IR pointing works, it's just a fact (hated word around here). Now from there the user can decide if they like that type or interface or not. If they don't, it does not imply the pointing is functionaly broken.

The reviewer doesn't like motion controls, perfectly acceptable. But that's the part of the review when the critic most overcome any personal bias and construct an objective assessment on the matter. He is not reviewing the game just for himslef but for an user base also. And more over the porpouse of that piece of mind also encloses an "informative" goal.

In our case in terms of functionality, motion input for the game works withouth any significant issues, yet they are no flawless.

In terms of the implementation, the most valid observation i have seen is the one that questions why NIntendo opted to use the gyro to swim since the stick would have worked a lot better.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
That doesn't sound bad at all. I can see why someone would think they're busted though, but if you understand how they work it sounds like WSR.
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The problem is if you switch in to them while moving the Wiimote. Then your center point is going to be off all the time.

I much preferred TP's use of the sensor bar, because at least the center point was constant
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Actually, being seemingly the only person to not play that demo yet, how does aiming work? Does it take the current angle of the Wiimote as the center or something by default, so if you then moved the remote to point directly at the screen like an IR game, it would shift away from that center?
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Yes, as butter_stick said, but I wouldn't call it 'ridiculous' because I literally have zero problem with it. Aiming feels smooth and responsive in my opinion. The silliness of defaulting to the angle of the remote can be remedied by hitting down on the d-pad to re-centre the cursor to whatever position you have the remote in mid-aim.

Refreshment.01 said:
I don't understand Eatchildren, are you agreeing or disagreeing?
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Neither. I haven't read the review, won't be reading the review until I've finished the game, and even then may not if I can't be bothered. Just playings devil's advocate, in that whining about the motion controls was inevitable regardless of how good they are. What might seem very responsive and easy to use to one person is destined to feel clumsy, unresponsive and overly difficult to another.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
That doesn't sound bad at all. I can see why someone would think they're busted though, but if you understand how they work it sounds like WSR.
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It really isn't bad at all. It takes maybe 3 minutes to get used to it, tops.
 
walking fiend said:
That's the definition of selective quoting:




He thinks re-centering has something to do with infrared aiming.

RS2 was a fps game and it didn't require re-centering either for shooting or sword fighting. It is a design requirement because of the game being 3rd person.
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Or maybe he just assumes it does because every other Wii game works that way?

Unless he said "I didn't press down on the d-pad, cos I was pointing at my TV like what the fuck guys!", you don't have a case.
 
Ken Masters said:
Just read the gamespot review, he seemed fair in his analysis. It's refreshing to see reviewers brave enough to look at a hyped game objectively
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Have you played the game?

If not, how can you tell if it is fair or not?

if yes, would you explain what he means by 'infra-red aiming' and how the control is broken?

Or maybe he just assumes it does because every other Wii game works that way?
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The point is, in this case, if you don't actually know how the controls work, you won't be able to use them.

unless you tell me than unconsciously he was using the motion, but consciously thought he is using the IR.
 
So it acts... like a mouse ?

I don't need to point my mouse to the screen to translate its position to the screen. Knowing that when you switch to the bow that's the neutral position I don't see the problem.
 
walking fiend said:
Have you played the game?

If not, how can you tell if it is fair or not?

if yes, would you explain what he means by 'infra-red aiming' and how the control is broken?


The point is, in this case, if you don't actually know how the controls work, you won't be able to use them.

unless you tell me than unconsciously he was using the motion, but consciously thought he is using the IR.
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God.
 
Ken Masters said:
Just read the gamespot review, he seemed fair in his analysis. It's refreshing to see reviewers brave enough to look at a hyped game objectively
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I can't yet say if the review is fair or not, but I wouldn't necessarily associate a lower score with objectivity either.
 
Also "this review is lower, guess the reviewer is therefore more honest and braver and all the other ones were paid off fanboys," is just an equally annoying Bizarro version of "this review is lower, must be an attention whore."
 
walking fiend said:
RS2 was a fps game and it didn't require re-centering either for shooting or sword fighting. It is a design requirement because of the game being 3rd person.
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No, it's a design requirement due to stupidly not using sensor bar based aiming which never even requires calibration (unless you want pixel perfect accuracy, like in lightgun games where you pretend-aim down sights and can see any anomalies you're oblivious to when just holding the remote like any other controller in your lap or wherever). Although you'd probably still have to reset for things like the sword it could have made that less frequent too, since it could recenter every time you opened a menu or whatever else if it had used the sensor bar. In the end it's an unfortunate design choice that does affect playability, however pressing down soon becomes second nature, especially since the same system was employed in Wii Sports Resort, another acclaimed motion controlled title. And I don't think you can find yourself looking at the floor without wanting to. The way the desyncing happens is so that it considers the center point something else, like you may already have your wiimote to the left and it will think it's centered so you have to move even more to the left to get the pointer where you want. It doesn't actually move without you wanting to or something. And pointing forward and pressing down (to give it the correct center point it needs) fixes it instantly. But yeah, third vs first person doesn't affect it at all in this manner.
 
I knew GS would give it the lowest score out of the big review sites. Honestly, I expected lower. :p Seems that they're just sick of Zelda in general. Every Zelda review from them from now on will likely end up getting lower and lower unless Nintendo decides to completely change Zelda.
 
Leonsito said:
So it acts... like a mouse ?

I don't need to point my mouse to the screen to translate its position to the screen. Knowing that when you switch to the bow that's the neutral position I don't see the problem.
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Yes. I can see why some prefer one method to the others, but with SS the integration of the menus and aiming is the same as the combat; you don't need to be pointing the Wii Remote at the screen, a flick of the wrist is enough.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
WOAH BLAST FROM DA PAST

(i actually forget what his shtick was. like the one goddamned thing he kept posting about over and over. something about mario???)
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I think his schick was something about Blue Ocean Nintendo and disappointment and confusion over Jodie Foster being gay. It was legendary.
 
Leonsito said:
So it acts... like a mouse ?

I don't need to point my mouse to the screen to translate its position to the screen. Knowing that when you switch to the bow that's the neutral position I don't see the problem.
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Sounds promising to me. (Despite my aforementioned kbam problems). Eatchildren's zelda impressions have kept me excited for it. And I'll join the yoshichan defence force if EatChildren is wrong :P
 
walking fiend said:
Have you played the game?

If not, how can you tell if it is fair or not?

if yes, would you explain what he means by 'infra-red aiming' and how the control is broken?
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I have not played the game, along with those who critized the 7.5 score

I'm not saying the game is going to be good or bad, but to have a game that is just so unversisally praised with no negative reviews is suspect to me, but something to be expected in gaming media. In film/music for example, an album or film that gets a lot of critical love will still have those reviewers out there who bash it.

Again, I have no doubt this could be a great game, but it's nice to see a review that isn't just frothing at the mouth for 2-3 pages.
 
Rez said:
I think his schick was something about Blue Ocean Nintendo and disappointment and confusion over Jodie Foster being gay. It was legendary.
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No but I remember something else about Mario... Galaxy THAT WAS IT it was something insane about its ending and philosophy or something oh god it all came back
 
Leonsito said:
So it acts... like a mouse ?

I don't need to point my mouse to the screen to translate its position to the screen. Knowing that when you switch to the bow that's the neutral position I don't see the problem.
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Yeah, it seems like it will be a good thing to me. IR interference in my living room set-up 5 years ago meant I pretty much couldn't play Twilight Princess during the day.
I don't expect the reviewer's opinion to change, but he should at least try aiming again with a more mouse-like approach.
 
Ken Masters said:
I have not played the game, along with those who critized the 7.5 score

I'm not saying the game is going to be good or bad, but to have a game that is just so unversisally praised with no negative reviews is suspect to me, but something to be expected in gaming media. In film/music for example, an album or film that gets a lot of critical love will still have those reviewers out there who bash it.

Again, I have no doubt this could be a great game, but it's nice to see a review that isn't just frothing at the mouth for 2-3 pages.
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Lol. GameSpot's the only objective review confirmed! Also, that's crazy talk.
 
SecretMoblin said:
Yes. I can see why some prefer one method to the others, but with SS the integration of the menus and aiming is the same as the combat; you don't need to be pointing the Wii Remote at the screen, a flick of the wrist is enough.
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Well, seems like Nintendo didn't do a good job transmiting that info to some players, as I said before, that's where Nintendo seems to have failed, not with the controls, but saying how they work.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
No but I remember something else about Mario... Galaxy THAT WAS IT it was something insane about its ending and philosophy or something oh god it all came back
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I'm actually laughing

I shouldn't remember this
 
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