Skyward Sword review thread [Newest Reviews - Cubed3 10/10, GC: A, AusGamers: 7/10]
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Trickster
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BGBW said:
I was, it was hilarious seeing people react to that review. People might not be quite as up in arms this time around, but the vast majority of the posts in here right now seem to be about gamespots review. On gamespots own forums most of the topics also had something to do with the review when I checked a few hours ago.
And yes, I came in looking for a shitstorm after reading the updated topic title, and honestly feel like I found it.
As for the the last part of your post about me not seeing the whole picture. It's funny you say that, because that is actually precisely what I'm not missing, but rather it seems that all the upset zelda fans are missing it. Which is why I said nothing has changed since TP, people still focus the most on the one review with the lowest score.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Ok, you're right, the sword does recenter when it glimpses the sensor bar after all. I guess I didn't notice it because I usually notice it's gone wonky when I'm actually swinging it around which doesn't give it a good view of the sensor bar so I end up doing it manually and pressing down too even though I could just point it to the sensor bar for the same effect. Which makes it all the weirder the pointer function does not correct itself based on that since it's the worst offender in the game. That's baffling.mugwhump said:
Who said it only does that?
EmCeeGramr
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good to see an honest and accurate comment regarding this for onceY2Kev said:
butter_stick said:
I would hope they wouldn't have to pay for either sites to give Zelda a higher score. That was just a joke to demonstrate the lack of credibility Gamespot has after what happened to Gertsman. I don't actually think they're getting paid off; at least not most of the time because we all know its happened before.
SykoTech said:
I've felt that way ever since Gerstmann got fired. Doesn't just pertain to Zelda reviews. GS doesn't deserve any respect for running off all the Giantbomb guys.
And like someone else said, "low" scores for big games generate the most discussion. Not the perfect, game-fellating reviews.
DoctorWho said:
Same here. If the controls are broken like GS claims, then I'll probably agree with the score.
MadraptorMan
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I'm sure GS is enjoying all the extra hits generated from their bullshit. Good for you guys, you did it again.
King of the Potato People
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This series hasn't been as good since Majora's Mask which had its mix of an intimate world with mind-bending design. 7.5 would be a valid score for every dumbed-down Zelda since Wind Waker so on.
They've had their problems ranging from a lack of difficulty, big overworlds with not enough to do in them, boring quests to extend the games (e.g Owl statues, Triforce maps, back to the Ocean King Temple/Spirit Tower). Nintendo just weren't putting the same effort into making the worlds feel alive, riding your boat/train/etc. along a straightforward path just isn't as personally satisfying as being able to walk from one location seamlessly to another. The Minish Cap was the most well-rounded Zelda during the Wind Waker generation and it says something that Capcom who made it understood what Zelda should be about more than Nintendo. From my understanding that despite some nifty controls, this new Zelda suffers from having the same errors, too much filler, and a linear world that exists somewhere between the sparser one of TP and the tight ones of the DS games, now with bird juggling.
I'm still getting Skyward Sword day 1, I can find something to enjoy even in the weaker generation. The Wind Waker has the beautiful visuals, the Minish Cap had a varied albeit minor world, Phantom Hourglass/Spirit Tracks had some fun & goofy side quests, Twilight Princess had Midna.
...and I'm still not going to take Gamespot seriously because of GerstmannGate and no one should. That 'tilts' their credibility to zero.
They've had their problems ranging from a lack of difficulty, big overworlds with not enough to do in them, boring quests to extend the games (e.g Owl statues, Triforce maps, back to the Ocean King Temple/Spirit Tower). Nintendo just weren't putting the same effort into making the worlds feel alive, riding your boat/train/etc. along a straightforward path just isn't as personally satisfying as being able to walk from one location seamlessly to another. The Minish Cap was the most well-rounded Zelda during the Wind Waker generation and it says something that Capcom who made it understood what Zelda should be about more than Nintendo. From my understanding that despite some nifty controls, this new Zelda suffers from having the same errors, too much filler, and a linear world that exists somewhere between the sparser one of TP and the tight ones of the DS games, now with bird juggling.
I'm still getting Skyward Sword day 1, I can find something to enjoy even in the weaker generation. The Wind Waker has the beautiful visuals, the Minish Cap had a varied albeit minor world, Phantom Hourglass/Spirit Tracks had some fun & goofy side quests, Twilight Princess had Midna.
...and I'm still not going to take Gamespot seriously because of GerstmannGate and no one should. That 'tilts' their credibility to zero.
mentalfloss
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If anything, this should cement the fact that Gamespot will do anything to get some hits from IGN.
Bluemercury
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You and most of the press, yet he says its more of the same and then probably goes back to play mw3 or SkyrimSinoox said:
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
What page was the score posted?
I wanna see initial reactions.
I wanna see initial reactions.
I agree with that, but getting a reviewer (and I'm not saying this is the case here) who hates the genre just so they can throw a 2/10 into the mix does no one any favours.Tadale said:
Or perhaps we are simply discussing the issues brought up to see if they are of any concern. I mean this is the review thread so I was of the understanding that reviews were meant to be discussed here.SykoTech said:
Well of course the majority are about the 7.5 review since its in the title and the latest review. As I said above, this is a thread for discussing review so I don't see why it should be so surprising that we're discussing it.Trickster said:
I see a discussion rather than a shitstorm. No one has called for his head. Rather the points the review brought up have been analysed and questioned. People have even said that some of the other negative points are of concernTrickster said:
Because we've had weeks to focus on 10/10 reviews. Is this so hard to understand?Trickster said:
Not that this applies to Zelda at all. I don't see an issue with the score, but why does anyone care about gamespot after the Kane & Lynch fiasco? That destroyed their credibility above anything else.
The review was posted pretty late at night, so there are far more amusing reactions now then there were then.
cjelly said:
The review was posted pretty late at night, so there are far more amusing reactions now then there were then.
BY2K said:
http://www.gamespot.com/transformer...review-6267012?tag=summary;read-review&page=2
I never played the game; the only reason I know about this issue is because Arthur Gies mocked Gamespot for it on Rebel FM back when he was at IGN.
GregLombardi
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I find Gamespot's review highly suspicious, given the reviewer's assigning of a perfect score to Mega Man of all things, and given his assigning a perfect score to Super Mario Galaxy 2 (which I disagree with). But more importantly, I find it suspicious given his first commentary on the game, and given Gamespot's treatment of other high profile titles this year.
I haven't played the game, so I can't touch it with a ten foot pole, except to say that on the immediate surface it appears as though they singled a particular game out this year, though one wouldn't know that for sure until having played said game among the others that were reviewed.
I haven't played the game, so I can't touch it with a ten foot pole, except to say that on the immediate surface it appears as though they singled a particular game out this year, though one wouldn't know that for sure until having played said game among the others that were reviewed.
EmCeeGramr
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guys stop saying a review is "suspicious" or that it has an ulterior motive
APZonerunner
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Speaking as somebody who has had it for a just over a week but hasn't yet reviewed it (I had to concentrate on Skyrim/Saints Row, so I'm only about 20 hours in) this game doesn't feel like a 7.5 but after the time I've had I'm struggling to see the 10s either.
I think the comments in Iwata Asks about the controls being a bit like a musical instrument are actually very apt - when you start out it feels strange and alien, but with time and practice it becomes easier, more fun and just overall better. As the game has progressed I've enjoyed the core gameplay more and more and more, so it might be the case that as I come to the end of the game everything's going to click and become a 10; I don't know.
The thing about the musical instrument analogy being apt, though, is that like a musical instrument, some people might just not get it. I play piano and drums, so that's helped me to have better hand-eye co-ordination and such, but I wonder how somebody who has two left hands (metaphorically speaking) will get on. Will it get better? I think there'll be a certain subset of people for whom the motion plus control in this game just doesn't - and never - clicks.
That's a shame, but it's a result of them being brave with the controls, and I think the game is better for it.
Happy to answer any questions about my thoughts that anyone has.
I think the comments in Iwata Asks about the controls being a bit like a musical instrument are actually very apt - when you start out it feels strange and alien, but with time and practice it becomes easier, more fun and just overall better. As the game has progressed I've enjoyed the core gameplay more and more and more, so it might be the case that as I come to the end of the game everything's going to click and become a 10; I don't know.
The thing about the musical instrument analogy being apt, though, is that like a musical instrument, some people might just not get it. I play piano and drums, so that's helped me to have better hand-eye co-ordination and such, but I wonder how somebody who has two left hands (metaphorically speaking) will get on. Will it get better? I think there'll be a certain subset of people for whom the motion plus control in this game just doesn't - and never - clicks.
That's a shame, but it's a result of them being brave with the controls, and I think the game is better for it.
Happy to answer any questions about my thoughts that anyone has.
I donno. I thought Gamespot had some valid points. I won't discuss the score, because honestly the words are more important. They cited control issues. Other reviewers haven't, which strikes me as odd, but it is something to consider. The fetch quests is something other reviewers have brought up, and that's disappointing. And it sounds like the sky isn't that interesting, except skyloft itself, which is EXTREMELY disappointing.
Huevos de Oro
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I haven't read or watched the review, but this part made me chuckle. I pictured a reviewer filling a drab-looking official form.lawblob said:
Cygnus X-1
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Ok guys, now I played for a little bit more than one hour and I would like to share my impressions. I'm going later to post something deeper.
1) Art design is impressive. I was baffled my the details and the colors. Everything is very suited to a fantasy game. Wii sure shows his age by the limited graphics (especially for far-away places), but the art design is able to fill this gap in an impressive way. It is definitely on par with the graphics of Galaxy 2.
2) Animation. Not enough people in reviews are talking about this point and I really don't understand why. It's a big step forward in comparison to Twilight Princess and it is a nice surprise. Every movement, action and face expression till now is very realistic. On par with The Wind Waker and even better in many cases and of course miles better than Twilight Princess. Some expressions of Link are particularly interesting and the reactions of characters to Link's actions are really nice and well implemented (body, face movements).
3) Musics. Finally the end of midis. It is so much better and the atmosphere does not feel artificial as it was in TP. For the first time after TWW, I feel this soundtrack is not a generic crappy sound put just to remove the silence and it makes you want to stay more in the places just to look around.
4) Controls are accurate till now, but I reserve myself more time to see what happens next. Since the beginning is quite slow, of course Wii Motions Plus is going to work well. Sure, it doesn't appear as a broken gameplay. Ah, btw, it is true that here and there one is naturally brought to make a recalibration of the wiimote (every 15 minutes maybe?). Till now it is not at all a bother, since it is just pushing a button for a fraction of second. It's fast and not annoying. I'm going to see what's happens when the pace starts to be a lot faster.
Well, that's what I think. Oh: I'm not bored at all till now.
1) Art design is impressive. I was baffled my the details and the colors. Everything is very suited to a fantasy game. Wii sure shows his age by the limited graphics (especially for far-away places), but the art design is able to fill this gap in an impressive way. It is definitely on par with the graphics of Galaxy 2.
2) Animation. Not enough people in reviews are talking about this point and I really don't understand why. It's a big step forward in comparison to Twilight Princess and it is a nice surprise. Every movement, action and face expression till now is very realistic. On par with The Wind Waker and even better in many cases and of course miles better than Twilight Princess. Some expressions of Link are particularly interesting and the reactions of characters to Link's actions are really nice and well implemented (body, face movements).
3) Musics. Finally the end of midis. It is so much better and the atmosphere does not feel artificial as it was in TP. For the first time after TWW, I feel this soundtrack is not a generic crappy sound put just to remove the silence and it makes you want to stay more in the places just to look around.
4) Controls are accurate till now, but I reserve myself more time to see what happens next. Since the beginning is quite slow, of course Wii Motions Plus is going to work well. Sure, it doesn't appear as a broken gameplay. Ah, btw, it is true that here and there one is naturally brought to make a recalibration of the wiimote (every 15 minutes maybe?). Till now it is not at all a bother, since it is just pushing a button for a fraction of second. It's fast and not annoying. I'm going to see what's happens when the pace starts to be a lot faster.
Well, that's what I think. Oh: I'm not bored at all till now.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I find it suspicious as well, but for only one reason: in the last week the blurb on GameSpot for "review forthcoming" was about three paragraphs that seemed extremely positive. That he then gave it a 7.5 seems....incongruous.GregLombardi said:
Criminal Upper
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I'm sure that if things like this continue over the next few years, game journalism, as we know it, will cease to exist.
Publishers will simply ask for a "THUMBS UP" or "THUMBS DOWN" from every outlet.
Publishers will simply ask for a "THUMBS UP" or "THUMBS DOWN" from every outlet.
GregLombardi
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Yes, this is exactly something that concerns me. It is as though something happened either in discussions, or whatnot, that changed his opinion of the game. Who knows though...The_Technomancer said:
I hope it's not going to be a new Metroid Other M with all of those bipolar reviews and people will say the controls are bad and then people will say they are good...
I don't care on GameSpot since they gave a 10 at Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 on PS2. They went downhill since then IMO.
I don't care on GameSpot since they gave a 10 at Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 on PS2. They went downhill since then IMO.
Glass Rebel
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Criminal Upper said:
Oh god, I hope this happens and metacritic becomes a thing of the past.
i hope that this incident opens some eyes
review scores are just opinions of employees of some publications
there is no science or logic behind it.
most of those publications dont even require their employees to have any qualification other then enthusiasm.
not saying that gamespot is not credible. just saying that the notion of a review score having any other meaning then a person employeed by a publication liked or disliked it is ridiculous
review scores are just opinions of employees of some publications
there is no science or logic behind it.
most of those publications dont even require their employees to have any qualification other then enthusiasm.
not saying that gamespot is not credible. just saying that the notion of a review score having any other meaning then a person employeed by a publication liked or disliked it is ridiculous
toxicgonzo
Taxes?! Isn't this the line for Metallica?
When the score is at least one standard deviation away from every other gaming publication, it makes you wonder...EmCeeGramr said:
I think gamespot should hire a professional voice actor to narrate their reviews, lol.
Anyway, seems like a perfectly valid list of concerns. Unresponsive controls, repetition, filled with padding and being the same old thing. 7.5 seems like a fair score, although it's too bad this kind of harshness and apparent honesty isn't applied to every release.
Anyway, seems like a perfectly valid list of concerns. Unresponsive controls, repetition, filled with padding and being the same old thing. 7.5 seems like a fair score, although it's too bad this kind of harshness and apparent honesty isn't applied to every release.
EmCeeGramr
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83% thumb rating (some sites are worth 3 thumbs)Glass Rebel said:
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
No, not really. The fact that its a lower score then others isn't what makes it suspicious. People are entitled to their opinions (although the controls stuff sounds flat out wrong)toxicgonzo said:
I'm just confused because his preview didn't seem to mention any of the negative aspects his review focuses on.
GregLombardi
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Couldn't agree more.jett said: