Skyward Sword review thread [Newest Reviews - Cubed3 10/10, GC: A, AusGamers: 7/10]

balladofwindfishes said:
isn't that the poster's opinion though :P
Sure, but there's a clear streak of cognitive bias that arises when very little is made of 10/10s, and a single 7.5 suddenly brings a crowd claiming ulterior motive.
 
Yoshichan said:
What the flying fuck is going on here? I wake up to a 7.5? So not only were they late to the party, they also decided to give it a lower score than the other sites so that they could get a bunch of fucking clicks because they knew they wouldn't stand a chance to other sites; click-wise. What a useless, dumb and immaturish "strategy", no wonder I put them on block-list just a couple of months ago. It's kinda sad in a way that there are more competent writers at IGN than Gamespot.

Fucking sad.

I've always said that Yoshichan is a voice of reason in the wilderness.
 
Crunched said:
It's a wall of making a point

Reviews are opinions, and there's no reason to say "wrong!" or "attention whore!" because someone disagrees with you. Especially when most haven't even played the game.


Yes, clearly. My reactions to the UC3 8/10 were so extreme I barely escaped with my sanity intact.

When the reviewer doesn't explain what they meant it's totally up for discussion, whether its a 10.0 or a 6.0. It's borderline trolling to wait until you're the last major reviewer to release a review, give it the lowest score of ANY publication, and then not explain why some of your biggest knocks on the game are actually bad. "Same old repetitive stuff" is not reasoning. That's why it's a bad review, not because of the score.
 
hardcastlemccormick said:
This is what really annoys me about the U3 and SS review threads. The factioning of the various companies and their fans. Sure we all have different tastes, but why do we feel the need to say, "Nintendo-GAF is looking really terrible right now." or "Uncharted-GAF is embarrassing to watch."

Categorizing certain people into specific factions or even pretending these factions exist at all I think is what makes these wall of shames so popular - because those who find these factions so bold and overstated like to make themselves feel better by lumping people opposite them and throwing in some embarrassing posts in connotation. But is it fair to say that people belong to these factions at all? Or is is just our perception of what the poster defends and likes to talk about?

Exactly, posts can easily be taken out of context in those walls of shame and people can get labels like 'irrational fanboy' stapled on their heads.

I'm okay with it if people get banned or called out if things go out of hand with extreme fanboy rants, but to put posts of members who might not even be fanboys on a list just for your own sick satisfaction isn't something I agree with.
 
Crunched said:
It's a wall of making a point

Reviews are opinions, and there's no reason to say "wrong!" or "attention whore!" because someone disagrees with you. Especially when most haven't even played the game.


Yes, clearly. My reactions to the UC3 8/10 were so extreme I barely escaped with my sanity intact.
reviews of reviews are opinions, and its a review thread. was the duscussion suppose to end at, "hey guys SS got a 7.5." "oh, ok." many probably feel it should, but if theres a thread for it and people want to argue the validity then why not let it be?
 
balladofwindfishes said:
But what about when the bias comes through the review? The reviewer got an aspect of the control system wrong, and has criticism with the control scheme dozens of other reviews never even mentioned as a problem and that nobody seemed to know existed during previews.

I'm just skeptical that a reviewer with a known bias against motion controls, that rates a game almost 20 points lower than the average, and that gets aspects of the control scheme wrong in the review, really did the review in good faith
I'm not saying that your skepticism is unfounded. However, I'm just cautioning that a presentation of this evidence of potential bias against motion controls as a smoking gun to discredit the review can in fact be the continuation of this cycle. My question was one of wondering whether or not bringing this information to light was about noble -- if you'll allow that word given this context -- truth-seeking and championing objective critique, or is it about "what dirt can I find on this guy to discredit a low score I don't like?"

If it's the former, then rock on, I suppose -- I personally have no particular interest in discrediting people who arbitrarily assign scores to things. However, I caution against the latter.
 
You know what's funny, just for shits and giggles I decided to read The System War forums over at Gamespot, and what a joke those kids are over there.

They even asked for links to Neogaf to see all the Q_Q.

For anyone at Gamespot reading this you realize your site gets payed off for most games. Don't forget Gerstmann Gate. Have fun in your cess pool of a forum.

Also, I'm not surprised by the review, Gamespot hasen't had good reviews for a while, and should be taken with a grain of salt. This is coming from someone who used to frequent their site, until I learnt what a joke of a game reviewing site they are. You need to ask others who have had time with the game and you need to base your own opinion if you want this game, you honestly can't take the reviews of IGN, Gamespot, 1UP, etc... seriously.

They did this review to garner attention, nothing else.
 
BY2K said:
Uncharted-GAF has proved to be worse.
Its the same garbage.

Pointless lists with out of context quotes not knowing if anyone is joking or not.I know some people need to learn some control but all this stuff do is make GAF looks bad.
 
Zeal said:
YoshiiChan is bringing the legend of rage.
Not even close and you know it!

I'm completely reasonable with the stuff I say and when I know I'm about to say something completely crazy, I've learned how to get the fuck away from my computer. I don't want to let EatChildren get his satisfaction from me!
 
-COOLIO- said:
reviews of reviews are opinions, and its a review thread. was the duscussion suppose to end at, "hey guys SS got a 7.5." "oh, ok." many probably feel it should, but if theres a thread for it and people want to argue the validity then why not let it be?
Much of the argument is that Gamespot is not to be trusted, or that the reviewer had a bias going in, or that he delayed his review for the explicit purpose to grant the game the lowest mainstream score so far.
 
This game sucks. I know because I've already played all of it. It's nothing like CoD or Gears of War. Link can't even shoot lasers out of his sword anymore. Honestly who wants to play a game where you can't even shoot.

Don't even get me started on the graphics. The wii is like gamecube 1.5 and honestly it was almost unplayable until I got used to how bad it looked.

Clearly this is a game made for toddlers and I don't understand why gamestop would give this game such a high score.

LoL. Having a good time reading GS forums. Besides, people need to grow the fuck up. it is only a number. his 7.5 is someone else 9.5 or 3.5. I don't really understand people obsession with ratings. As much as i love Zelda, i'd rather see people pick up Rayman Origins. The series got stale after OOT.
 
Crunched said:
Sure, but there's a clear streak of cognitive bias that arises when very little is made of 10/10s, and a single 7.5 suddenly brings a crowd claiming ulterior motive.
7.5s for megatitles from megagamingsites are much rarer. and 10/10 scores have been knocked on by gaf for years since they upped in frequency. plenty of people witll argue that the 10s given out to gta4 and mgs4 had ulterior motives (though mgs4 was damn deserving)
 
kayos90 said:
My guesses to your latter question are that McShea probably needed more time to compile the review and get his thoughts in order. If you think about it, the 7.5 is a really different score from other people and he probably decided that it'd be best to sit on it for the weekend. Not only this but I've heard previously that the reviewer must discuss with the other reviewers of why the score is justified. In this case I think it took longer.
More like he didn't have it completed:
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/review-...-sword-6345185?tag=updates;editor;all;title;6
 
Crunched said:
Sure, but there's a clear streak of cognitive bias that arises when very little is made of 10/10s, and a single 7.5 suddenly brings a crowd claiming ulterior motive.

People are more inclined to bother speaking out to criticize something, rather than doing so things are going smoothly.
 
*GAF mostly happy about all the mostly great reviews*
Gamespot: Hiiiii.
*GAF squirms*
Gamespot: You know, I don't want there to be any hard feelings between us, GAF. When you, and uh--
GAF: ZELDA.
Gamespot: --Zelda's reviews were getting along, I was sitting in Gamespot's office playing a just above average game. I didn't rig that score.
GAF: Your review. Your plan.
Gamespot: Do I really look like a guy with an plan? You know what I am? I'm a reviewer reviewing games. Eurogamer has plans. EDGE has plans. IGN has plans. You know. They're schemers. Schemers trying to control their little worlds. I'm not a schemer. I try to show the schemers how pathetic their attempts to damage control things really are. So, when I say--
*GAF shifts, restlessly, in pain-- Gamestop takes GAF's hand*
Gamespot: When I say-- come here-- when I say that you and your Zelda was nothing personal-- you know that I'm telling the truth. It's the schemers that put you where you are. You were a schemer, you had plans, and uh, look where that got ya.
*GAF flings itself at Gamespot, Gamestop settles GAF down again*
Gamespot: I just do what I do best. I took your little plan and I turned it on itself. Look what I did to this forum with a few issues I had with the game and a couple of numbers. Hm? You know what-- you know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go according to plan. Even if the scores are horrifying. If I tell the press tomorrow that X-Men Destiny will get a bad score, or FlingSmash will get a just below average score-- nobody panics, because it's all part of the plan. But when I say that one little old Zelda game is just "good," well then EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS.
*Gamespot's score is added to Metacritic, lowering it to a 94*
Gamespot: Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order and everything becomes chaos.
 
butter_stick said:
They should have got a motion control loving Nintendo fanboy to review it, for maximum objectivity.

Don't you have any sympathy for the developers at Nintendo, who are being punished by McShea's score? Skyward Sword now has a lower metascore than Twilight Princess.

Aonuma could lose his job over this review.
 
BY2K said:
Uncharted-GAF has proved to be worse.
But have you not seen this list? Look how unreasonable everyone is. I wouldn't want to mix with this bunch of rapscallions. I'm joining PonyGAF so my reputation is not tarnished.
 
Killer said:
LoL. Having a good time reading GS forums. Besides, people need to grow the fuck up. it is only a number. his 7.5 is someone else 9.5 or 3.5. I don't really understand people obsession with ratings. As much as i love Zelda, i'd rather see people pick up Rayman Origins. The series got stale after OOT.

Are these Rayman Origins pimps pimping out the game or the graphics. Sometimes its hard to tell.
 
Crunched said:
Much of the argument is that Gamespot is not to be trusted, or that the reviewer had a bias going in, or that he delayed his review for the explicit purpose to grant the game the lowest mainstream score so far.
that's still a review of the review. maybe these arguments are based on a lot of hearsay but it still counts.
 
Red Blaster said:
ahuahuhauhua

X-type of petulant fanboy whining is worse than Y-type of petulant fanboy whining!

The uproar is not as bad (but close), no one was was banned (yet, I think one, maybe, don't know who) and Destructoid didn't make a story on it (yet).

And what's X-Type and Y-Type, anyway?
 
brandonh83 said:
*GAF mostly happy about all the mostly great reviews*
Gamespot: Hiiiii.
*GAF squirms*
Gamespot: You know, I don't want there to be any hard feelings between us, GAF. When you, and uh--
GAF: ZELDA.
Gamespot: --Zelda's reviews were getting along, I was sitting in Gamespot's office playing a just above average game. I didn't rig that score.
GAF: Your review. Your plan.
Gamespot: Do I really look like a guy with an plan? You know what I am? I'm a reviewer reviewing games. Eurogamer has plans. EDGE has plans. IGN has plans. You know. They're schemers. Schemers trying to control their little worlds. I'm not a schemer. I try to show the schemers how pathetic their attempts to damage control things really are. So, when I say--
*GAF shifts, restlessly, in pain-- Gamestop takes GAF's hand*
Gamespot: When I say-- come here-- when I say that you and your Zelda was nothing personal-- you know that I'm telling the truth. It's the schemers that put you where you are. You were a schemer, you had plans, and uh, look where that got ya.
*GAF flings itself at Gamespot, Gamestop settles GAF down again*
Gamespot: I just do what I do best. I took your little plan and I turned it on itself. Look what I did to this forum with a few issues I had with the game and a couple of numbers. Hm? You know what-- you know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go according to plan. Even if the scores are horrifying. If I tell the press tomorrow that X-Men Destiny will get a bad score, or FlingSmash will get a just below average score-- nobody panics, because it's all part of the plan. But when I say that one little old Zelda game is just "good," well then EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS.
*Gamespot's score is added to Metacritic, lowering it to a 94*
Gamespot: Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order and everything becomes chaos.
Totally not true but hilarious nonetheless
 
sonicmj1 said:
Don't you have any sympathy for the developers at Nintendo, who are being punished by McShea's score? Skyward Sword now has a lower metascore than Twilight Princess.

Aonuma could lose his job over this review.
Nintendo will be shut down in two years anyway, so maybe it's for the best.
 
brandonh83 said:
*GAF mostly happy about all the mostly great reviews*
Gamespot: Hiiiii.
*GAF squirms*
Gamespot: You know, I don't want there to be any hard feelings between us, GAF. When you, and uh--
GAF: ZELDA.
Gamespot: --Zelda's reviews were getting along, I was sitting in Gamespot's office playing a just above average game. I didn't rig that score.
GAF: Your review. Your plan.
Gamespot: Do I really look like a guy with an plan? You know what I am? I'm a reviewer reviewing games. Eurogamer has plans. EDGE has plans. IGN has plans. You know. They're schemers. Schemers trying to control their little worlds. I'm not a schemer. I try to show the schemers how pathetic their attempts to damage control things really are. So, when I say--
*GAF shifts, restlessly, in pain-- Gamestop takes GAF's hand*
Gamespot: When I say-- come here-- when I say that you and your Zelda was nothing personal-- you know that I'm telling the truth. It's the schemers that put you where you are. You were a schemer, you had plans, and uh, look where that got ya.
*GAF flings itself at Gamespot, Gamestop settles GAF down again*
Gamespot: I just do what I do best. I took your little plan and I turned it on itself. Look what I did to this forum with a few issues I had with the game and a couple of numbers. Hm? You know what-- you know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go according to plan. Even if the scores are horrifying. If I tell the press tomorrow that X-Men Destiny will get a bad score, or FlingSmash will get a just below average score-- nobody panics, because it's all part of the plan. But when I say that one little old Zelda game is just "good," well then EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS.
*Gamespot's score is added to Metacritic, lowering it to a 94*
Gamespot: Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order and everything becomes chaos.
Bravo.
I loved the few instances of Gamestop you slipped in here.
 
Maffis said:
Didn't Tom McShea give Super Mario Galaxy 2 a "10"?

Kind of puts the Nintendo-hating theory down the crapper...

Not really...motion controls were not heavy on SMG2...

SMG also seemed immune from bad scores from what I remember...
 
BY2K said:
Uncharted-GAF has proved to be worse.

If you actually went into the Uncharted 3 thread, you'd see just how much (valid) criticism Uncharted-GAF'ers actually direct at the game. Yes, the pre-release review shit was embarassing, but after that, the discussion has been fairly balanced.
 
Killer said:
LoL. Having a good time reading GS forums. Besides, people need to grow the fuck up. it is only a number. his 7.5 is someone else 9.5 or 3.5. I don't really understand people obsession with ratings. As much as i love Zelda, i'd rather see people pick up Rayman Origins. The series got stale after OOT.
I will never understand posts like these. After OOT we got Majora's Mask. Now think about it. People can get both games.
 
Deadbeat said:
its the straws uncharted fans are grasping at to make it look like some other group was more fucked up than them over a low review score.

edit: I was thinking it would be worse but it seems the crazy tapered off really early. People arent throwing death threats and making giant paragraphs. Completely different compared to the 8.8 for tp.

UC3 was basically one page complaining about the review and 10 pages about people making fun of it and another 20 pages of people reacting to those reactions.
 
Killer said:
LoL. Having a good time reading GS forums. Besides, people need to grow the fuck up. it is only a number. his 7.5 is someone else 9.5 or 3.5. I don't really understand people obsession with ratings. As much as i love Zelda, i'd rather see people pick up Rayman Origins. The series got stale after OOT.

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It's obvious to everyone who knows me here that I am not a Nintendo fan, but I must admit that Gamespot has become so anti-Nintendo in the last few years, that the inherent bias is starting to reach unprofessional levels.

I do agree with them about the the motion control issues, and it's no secret that I utterly fucking hate them and would much rather use a classic controller, but a 7.5 is a bait and switch to stir up a shitstorm of controversy.

This is most definitely a game that is at least a 9.0+

EDIT: And that being said, I do think it is time for Zelda to completely reinvent itself though. I'm talking a hardcore, balls to the wall reboot.
 
Killer said:
LoL. Having a good time reading GS forums. Besides, people need to grow the fuck up. it is only a number. his 7.5 is someone else 9.5 or 3.5. I don't really understand people obsession with ratings. As much as i love Zelda, i'd rather see people pick up Rayman Origins. The series got stale after OOT.
This thread was just starting to wind down too...

Ten more pages!
 
brandonh83 said:
*GAF mostly happy about all the mostly great reviews*
Gamespot: Hiiiii.
*GAF squirms*
Gamespot: You know, I don't want there to be any hard feelings between us, GAF. When you, and uh--
GAF: ZELDA.
Gamespot: --Zelda's reviews were getting along, I was sitting in Gamespot's office playing a just above average game. I didn't rig that score.
GAF: Your review. Your plan.
Gamespot: Do I really look like a guy with an plan? You know what I am? I'm a reviewer reviewing games. Eurogamer has plans. EDGE has plans. IGN has plans. You know. They're schemers. Schemers trying to control their little worlds. I'm not a schemer. I try to show the schemers how pathetic their attempts to damage control things really are. So, when I say--
*GAF shifts, restlessly, in pain-- Gamestop takes GAF's hand*
Gamespot: When I say-- come here-- when I say that you and your Zelda was nothing personal-- you know that I'm telling the truth. It's the schemers that put you where you are. You were a schemer, you had plans, and uh, look where that got ya.
*GAF flings itself at Gamespot, Gamestop settles GAF down again*
Gamespot: I just do what I do best. I took your little plan and I turned it on itself. Look what I did to this forum with a few issues I had with the game and a couple of numbers. Hm? You know what-- you know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go according to plan. Even if the scores are horrifying. If I tell the press tomorrow that X-Men Destiny will get a bad score, or FlingSmash will get a just below average score-- nobody panics, because it's all part of the plan. But when I say that one little old Zelda game is just "good," well then EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS.
*Gamespot's score is added to Metacritic, lowering it to a 94*
Gamespot: Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order and everything becomes chaos.
This needs to get Mama Robotnik'd immediately
 
Magicpaint said:
I will never understand posts like these. After OOT we got Majora's Mask. Now think about it. People can get both games.

The games after OOT still use Z-targeting don't they? Not even kidding, people use Z-targeting as a reason why Zelda is stale.

Killer said:
People liked Majora's Mask? news to me.

I thought you didn't want to derail the thread?
 
Update:

I played it for almost 3 hours and I confirm what I said. Additionally:

a) Graphics of some environment is a bit disappointing. It feels a little bit too much like a Gamecube game, especially concerning the outside places. Textures particularly are not that great. The insides are impressive though. Considering Xenoblade as example, I think Nintendo could have done better. It is technically possible.

b) Camera is working nice, but it is somehow slow to reposition itself behind Link as soon as I turn around, which force me to use the Z-botton a bit too much.

c) Storyline, characters and character design is fantastic. Can't complain about anything here. I think it's very interesting. Again, I do not feel as bored as I was with Twilight Princess for now.

d) Exploration is an important element of the game. Though the final objective is clear, one is free to make other things before, which is really nice. Though it is not as great as Majora's Mask in that sense. But we'll see later as the game unfolds.

e) Concerning music, art design and expressivity of characters I confirm they're really great. And the amount of people with which Link can interact is much larger than with Twilight Princess, for now.

Edit: just forgot, for now Wii Motion Plus is working nicely, though I don't like the way I can throw objects I take. It doesn't feel very intuitive. But it's not totally broken.
 
Zeal said:
It's obvious to everyone who knows me here that I am not a Nintendo fan, but I must admit that Gamespot has become so anti-Nintendo in the last few years, that the inherent bias is starting to reach unprofessional levels.

I do agree with them about the the motion control issues, and it's no secret that I utterly fucking hate them and would much rather use a classic controller, but a 7.5 is a bait and switch to stir up a shitstorm of controversy.

This is most definitely a game that is at least a 9.0+
They aren't anti-Nintendo. The same reviewer game Galaxy 2 a 10. McShea is just anti-motion gaming.
 
OOT was more similar to LTTP than any other pairing of the series imo. Next would be TP -OOT. The first pairing has the benefit of two different perspectives though.

Of course, not counting OOA/OOS
 
Killer said:
The series got stale after OOT.
Like, really? If anything, it's after OoT that it got the complete opposite of stale...
 
BY2K said:
no one was was banned (yet, I think one, maybe, don't know who) and Destructoid didn't make a story on it (yet).?

I believe it was that fine chap calling all Gamespot staff "fat fucks" who couldn't use motion controls properly because of their sheer size, thus negatively effecting the review score (or at least that's what was implied)

Yeh, that "one". But clearly a rogue element, we all know ZeldaGAF is cut from a different cloth of civility and gentlemanly discourse over those Uncharted ruffians.
 
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