Sure, but there's a clear streak of cognitive bias that arises when very little is made of 10/10s, and a single 7.5 suddenly brings a crowd claiming ulterior motive.balladofwindfishes said:isn't that the poster's opinion though![]()
Sure, but there's a clear streak of cognitive bias that arises when very little is made of 10/10s, and a single 7.5 suddenly brings a crowd claiming ulterior motive.balladofwindfishes said:isn't that the poster's opinion though![]()
Yoshichan said:What the flying fuck is going on here? I wake up to a 7.5? So not only were they late to the party, they also decided to give it a lower score than the other sites so that they could get a bunch of fucking clicks because they knew they wouldn't stand a chance to other sites; click-wise. What a useless, dumb and immaturish "strategy", no wonder I put them on block-list just a couple of months ago. It's kinda sad in a way that there are more competent writers at IGN than Gamespot.
Fucking sad.
Crunched said:It's a wall of making a point
Reviews are opinions, and there's no reason to say "wrong!" or "attention whore!" because someone disagrees with you. Especially when most haven't even played the game.
Yes, clearly. My reactions to the UC3 8/10 were so extreme I barely escaped with my sanity intact.
Because they collectively appreciate Wind Waker too much, duh.BGBW said:The topic has changed to why ZeldaGAF is apparently worse than every other sub group on this website.
hardcastlemccormick said:This is what really annoys me about the U3 and SS review threads. The factioning of the various companies and their fans. Sure we all have different tastes, but why do we feel the need to say, "Nintendo-GAF is looking really terrible right now." or "Uncharted-GAF is embarrassing to watch."
Categorizing certain people into specific factions or even pretending these factions exist at all I think is what makes these wall of shames so popular - because those who find these factions so bold and overstated like to make themselves feel better by lumping people opposite them and throwing in some embarrassing posts in connotation. But is it fair to say that people belong to these factions at all? Or is is just our perception of what the poster defends and likes to talk about?
BGBW said:The topic has changed to why ZeldaGAF is apparently worse than every other sub group on this website.
reviews of reviews are opinions, and its a review thread. was the duscussion suppose to end at, "hey guys SS got a 7.5." "oh, ok." many probably feel it should, but if theres a thread for it and people want to argue the validity then why not let it be?Crunched said:It's a wall of making a point
Reviews are opinions, and there's no reason to say "wrong!" or "attention whore!" because someone disagrees with you. Especially when most haven't even played the game.
Yes, clearly. My reactions to the UC3 8/10 were so extreme I barely escaped with my sanity intact.
I'm not saying that your skepticism is unfounded. However, I'm just cautioning that a presentation of this evidence of potential bias against motion controls as a smoking gun to discredit the review can in fact be the continuation of this cycle. My question was one of wondering whether or not bringing this information to light was about noble -- if you'll allow that word given this context -- truth-seeking and championing objective critique, or is it about "what dirt can I find on this guy to discredit a low score I don't like?"balladofwindfishes said:But what about when the bias comes through the review? The reviewer got an aspect of the control system wrong, and has criticism with the control scheme dozens of other reviews never even mentioned as a problem and that nobody seemed to know existed during previews.
I'm just skeptical that a reviewer with a known bias against motion controls, that rates a game almost 20 points lower than the average, and that gets aspects of the control scheme wrong in the review, really did the review in good faith
Its the same garbage.BY2K said:Uncharted-GAF has proved to be worse.
Not even close and you know it!Zeal said:YoshiiChan is bringing the legend of rage.
Much of the argument is that Gamespot is not to be trusted, or that the reviewer had a bias going in, or that he delayed his review for the explicit purpose to grant the game the lowest mainstream score so far.-COOLIO- said:reviews of reviews are opinions, and its a review thread. was the duscussion suppose to end at, "hey guys SS got a 7.5." "oh, ok." many probably feel it should, but if theres a thread for it and people want to argue the validity then why not let it be?
This game sucks. I know because I've already played all of it. It's nothing like CoD or Gears of War. Link can't even shoot lasers out of his sword anymore. Honestly who wants to play a game where you can't even shoot.
Don't even get me started on the graphics. The wii is like gamecube 1.5 and honestly it was almost unplayable until I got used to how bad it looked.
Clearly this is a game made for toddlers and I don't understand why gamestop would give this game such a high score.
7.5s for megatitles from megagamingsites are much rarer. and 10/10 scores have been knocked on by gaf for years since they upped in frequency. plenty of people witll argue that the 10s given out to gta4 and mgs4 had ulterior motives (though mgs4 was damn deserving)Crunched said:Sure, but there's a clear streak of cognitive bias that arises when very little is made of 10/10s, and a single 7.5 suddenly brings a crowd claiming ulterior motive.
BY2K said:Uncharted-GAF has proved to be worse.
F#A#Oo said:Did some digging...Tom Mc Shea pretty much hates motion controls...and he's very down on Nintendo in general...he doesn't like the 3DS and WiiU to him is just another gimmick...
http://uk.gamespot.com/features/reality-check-the-dangers-of-gimmick-gaming-6319890/
More like he didn't have it completed:kayos90 said:My guesses to your latter question are that McShea probably needed more time to compile the review and get his thoughts in order. If you think about it, the 7.5 is a really different score from other people and he probably decided that it'd be best to sit on it for the weekend. Not only this but I've heard previously that the reviewer must discuss with the other reviewers of why the score is justified. In this case I think it took longer.
Crunched said:Sure, but there's a clear streak of cognitive bias that arises when very little is made of 10/10s, and a single 7.5 suddenly brings a crowd claiming ulterior motive.
butter_stick said:They should have got a motion control loving Nintendo fanboy to review it, for maximum objectivity.
But have you not seen this list? Look how unreasonable everyone is. I wouldn't want to mix with this bunch of rapscallions. I'm joining PonyGAF so my reputation is not tarnished.BY2K said:Uncharted-GAF has proved to be worse.
Killer said:LoL. Having a good time reading GS forums. Besides, people need to grow the fuck up. it is only a number. his 7.5 is someone else 9.5 or 3.5. I don't really understand people obsession with ratings. As much as i love Zelda, i'd rather see people pick up Rayman Origins. The series got stale after OOT.
that's still a review of the review. maybe these arguments are based on a lot of hearsay but it still counts.Crunched said:Much of the argument is that Gamespot is not to be trusted, or that the reviewer had a bias going in, or that he delayed his review for the explicit purpose to grant the game the lowest mainstream score so far.
Red Blaster said:ahuahuhauhua
X-type of petulant fanboy whining is worse than Y-type of petulant fanboy whining!
Totally not true but hilarious nonethelessbrandonh83 said:*GAF mostly happy about all the mostly great reviews*
Gamespot: Hiiiii.
*GAF squirms*
Gamespot: You know, I don't want there to be any hard feelings between us, GAF. When you, and uh--
GAF: ZELDA.
Gamespot: --Zelda's reviews were getting along, I was sitting in Gamespot's office playing a just above average game. I didn't rig that score.
GAF: Your review. Your plan.
Gamespot: Do I really look like a guy with an plan? You know what I am? I'm a reviewer reviewing games. Eurogamer has plans. EDGE has plans. IGN has plans. You know. They're schemers. Schemers trying to control their little worlds. I'm not a schemer. I try to show the schemers how pathetic their attempts to damage control things really are. So, when I say--
*GAF shifts, restlessly, in pain-- Gamestop takes GAF's hand*
Gamespot: When I say-- come here-- when I say that you and your Zelda was nothing personal-- you know that I'm telling the truth. It's the schemers that put you where you are. You were a schemer, you had plans, and uh, look where that got ya.
*GAF flings itself at Gamespot, Gamestop settles GAF down again*
Gamespot: I just do what I do best. I took your little plan and I turned it on itself. Look what I did to this forum with a few issues I had with the game and a couple of numbers. Hm? You know what-- you know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go according to plan. Even if the scores are horrifying. If I tell the press tomorrow that X-Men Destiny will get a bad score, or FlingSmash will get a just below average score-- nobody panics, because it's all part of the plan. But when I say that one little old Zelda game is just "good," well then EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS.
*Gamespot's score is added to Metacritic, lowering it to a 94*
Gamespot: Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order and everything becomes chaos.
Nintendo will be shut down in two years anyway, so maybe it's for the best.sonicmj1 said:Don't you have any sympathy for the developers at Nintendo, who are being punished by McShea's score? Skyward Sword now has a lower metascore than Twilight Princess.
Aonuma could lose his job over this review.
Bravo.brandonh83 said:*GAF mostly happy about all the mostly great reviews*
Gamespot: Hiiiii.
*GAF squirms*
Gamespot: You know, I don't want there to be any hard feelings between us, GAF. When you, and uh--
GAF: ZELDA.
Gamespot: --Zelda's reviews were getting along, I was sitting in Gamespot's office playing a just above average game. I didn't rig that score.
GAF: Your review. Your plan.
Gamespot: Do I really look like a guy with an plan? You know what I am? I'm a reviewer reviewing games. Eurogamer has plans. EDGE has plans. IGN has plans. You know. They're schemers. Schemers trying to control their little worlds. I'm not a schemer. I try to show the schemers how pathetic their attempts to damage control things really are. So, when I say--
*GAF shifts, restlessly, in pain-- Gamestop takes GAF's hand*
Gamespot: When I say-- come here-- when I say that you and your Zelda was nothing personal-- you know that I'm telling the truth. It's the schemers that put you where you are. You were a schemer, you had plans, and uh, look where that got ya.
*GAF flings itself at Gamespot, Gamestop settles GAF down again*
Gamespot: I just do what I do best. I took your little plan and I turned it on itself. Look what I did to this forum with a few issues I had with the game and a couple of numbers. Hm? You know what-- you know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go according to plan. Even if the scores are horrifying. If I tell the press tomorrow that X-Men Destiny will get a bad score, or FlingSmash will get a just below average score-- nobody panics, because it's all part of the plan. But when I say that one little old Zelda game is just "good," well then EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS.
*Gamespot's score is added to Metacritic, lowering it to a 94*
Gamespot: Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order and everything becomes chaos.
Maffis said:Didn't Tom McShea give Super Mario Galaxy 2 a "10"?
Kind of puts the Nintendo-hating theory down the crapper...
Dr.Hadji said:Are these Rayman Origins pimps pimping out the game or the graphics. Sometimes its hard to tell.
BY2K said:Uncharted-GAF has proved to be worse.
I will never understand posts like these. After OOT we got Majora's Mask. Now think about it. People can get both games.Killer said:LoL. Having a good time reading GS forums. Besides, people need to grow the fuck up. it is only a number. his 7.5 is someone else 9.5 or 3.5. I don't really understand people obsession with ratings. As much as i love Zelda, i'd rather see people pick up Rayman Origins. The series got stale after OOT.
Deadbeat said:its the straws uncharted fans are grasping at to make it look like some other group was more fucked up than them over a low review score.
edit: I was thinking it would be worse but it seems the crazy tapered off really early. People arent throwing death threats and making giant paragraphs. Completely different compared to the 8.8 for tp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_X_and_theory_YBY2K said:And what's X-Type and Y-Type, anyway?
Killer said:LoL. Having a good time reading GS forums. Besides, people need to grow the fuck up. it is only a number. his 7.5 is someone else 9.5 or 3.5. I don't really understand people obsession with ratings. As much as i love Zelda, i'd rather see people pick up Rayman Origins. The series got stale after OOT.
This thread was just starting to wind down too...Killer said:LoL. Having a good time reading GS forums. Besides, people need to grow the fuck up. it is only a number. his 7.5 is someone else 9.5 or 3.5. I don't really understand people obsession with ratings. As much as i love Zelda, i'd rather see people pick up Rayman Origins. The series got stale after OOT.
This needs to get Mama Robotnik'd immediatelybrandonh83 said:*GAF mostly happy about all the mostly great reviews*
Gamespot: Hiiiii.
*GAF squirms*
Gamespot: You know, I don't want there to be any hard feelings between us, GAF. When you, and uh--
GAF: ZELDA.
Gamespot: --Zelda's reviews were getting along, I was sitting in Gamespot's office playing a just above average game. I didn't rig that score.
GAF: Your review. Your plan.
Gamespot: Do I really look like a guy with an plan? You know what I am? I'm a reviewer reviewing games. Eurogamer has plans. EDGE has plans. IGN has plans. You know. They're schemers. Schemers trying to control their little worlds. I'm not a schemer. I try to show the schemers how pathetic their attempts to damage control things really are. So, when I say--
*GAF shifts, restlessly, in pain-- Gamestop takes GAF's hand*
Gamespot: When I say-- come here-- when I say that you and your Zelda was nothing personal-- you know that I'm telling the truth. It's the schemers that put you where you are. You were a schemer, you had plans, and uh, look where that got ya.
*GAF flings itself at Gamespot, Gamestop settles GAF down again*
Gamespot: I just do what I do best. I took your little plan and I turned it on itself. Look what I did to this forum with a few issues I had with the game and a couple of numbers. Hm? You know what-- you know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go according to plan. Even if the scores are horrifying. If I tell the press tomorrow that X-Men Destiny will get a bad score, or FlingSmash will get a just below average score-- nobody panics, because it's all part of the plan. But when I say that one little old Zelda game is just "good," well then EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS.
*Gamespot's score is added to Metacritic, lowering it to a 94*
Gamespot: Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order and everything becomes chaos.
Magicpaint said:I will never understand posts like these. After OOT we got Majora's Mask. Now think about it. People can get both games.
Magicpaint said:I will never understand posts like these. After OOT we got Majora's Mask. Now think about it. People can get both games.
Killer said:People liked Majora's Mask? news to me.
They aren't anti-Nintendo. The same reviewer game Galaxy 2 a 10. McShea is just anti-motion gaming.Zeal said:It's obvious to everyone who knows me here that I am not a Nintendo fan, but I must admit that Gamespot has become so anti-Nintendo in the last few years, that the inherent bias is starting to reach unprofessional levels.
I do agree with them about the the motion control issues, and it's no secret that I utterly fucking hate them and would much rather use a classic controller, but a 7.5 is a bait and switch to stir up a shitstorm of controversy.
This is most definitely a game that is at least a 9.0+
Like, really? If anything, it's after OoT that it got the complete opposite of stale...Killer said:The series got stale after OOT.
BY2K said:no one was was banned (yet, I think one, maybe, don't know who) and Destructoid didn't make a story on it (yet).?
HuzzawhatKiller said:People liked Majora's Mask? news to me.
Twenty more pages!Killer said:People liked Majora's Mask? news to me.
Seriously? You should've been in the OoT3DS thread. Lots of MM love and people wanting a remake.Killer said:People liked Majora's Mask? news to me.