I don't quite get what happened
the grail turned into lava and burned the town they were in? is there an explanation for this other than "because he desired it" or am i missing something?
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I don't quite get what happened
KO Traveling Hobo
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Fate/Zero Spoilers
How did she get back there? Doesn't the Grail only summon dead people? And if she was sent back in time, wouldn't that have some kind of impact on future events? So many questions.
InsaneZero
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Basileus777
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This is a plot point for Fsn. Saber's story isn't really told in zero.
Is Accel World actually good? I was only hyped for SAO and knew about a shared feature between the two shows, but Accel World didn't really look interesting after glancing at it.
Have you seen FSN? At the end of that she's
sent back to her time as she's about to die, so even there she's not dead yet. It may be explained specifically somewhere, but it's an anime and I'm just trying not to read into it too much. It's just one of those "this is the way it is because it's anime" things.
That's true, but FZ did give us some definite perspective on her drive for the grail, as well as her failings. The gathering of kings is one of my favorite scenes in any anime where she's put in her place by Rider.
KO Traveling Hobo
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At least it's addressed. That makes me happy.
It depends on whether you enjoy harem anime or at least have a high tolerance for it.
edit: I haven't seen FSN, 1stStrike. I'm thinking about checking out the VN, though, so I don't want to highlight that.
InsaneZero
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There's actually an actual explanation for this other than "lol it's anime" but to explain it you need to also explain about the nature of heroic spirits in this universe which would require too much effort on my part to do.
okay, but that doesn't really explain it :S
It does feel like they expected you to have seen FSN
Crash Station
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Some of it is, some of it isn't. I would say it's worth a watch.
At least they took the time to explain it. I don't really need the in-depth explanation of the inner workings of how all that works, though. I'm content with how things are with Saber in both series. While most people seem to be pretty meh about her, she was the driving force for me in both FZ and FSN.
InsaneZero
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As stated in the last episode, the hole in the sky is the Grail. What Saber actually destroyed this episode is just the vessel that'll give the Grail form. When the vessel is destroyed the Grail couldn't contain the form and so its contents spilled over Fuyuki City. The rest is the result.
do they explain any of that? or is it just a take it as it is type thing
InsaneZero
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They explained it in the previous episode.
Basileus777
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Fz pretty much skips out on describing the nature of the grail, how it works, and what the hell Angra Mainyu is, so its not something likely to be understood without reading Fsn.
Anime won't cover it, due to it being the Fate arc, which doesn't explain much. Heaven's Feel is the one you'll probably want to go through. It also resolves the Sakura stuff, like the cute moe puppy swarm.
Dragoon En Regalia
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Arietty
Pretty-good, slow-paced action-drama. Not sure how faithful and interesting an adaptation it is (haven't read The Borrowers in a long time), but the contrast between a growing-up protagonist and a dying deuteragonist was rather interesting.
Of course, though, the real stand-out aspect of the film were those amazing backgrounds.
Pretty-good, slow-paced action-drama. Not sure how faithful and interesting an adaptation it is (haven't read The Borrowers in a long time), but the contrast between a growing-up protagonist and a dying deuteragonist was rather interesting.
Of course, though, the real stand-out aspect of the film were those amazing backgrounds.
A Black Falcon
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I've said this before, but it's not terrible at all. I dislike the loli fanservice, but apart from that it's kind of good, and is a whole lot more tolerable than F/SN is certainly.
This is true.
Admittedly though, so is this.
FMP has some comedy like that, certainly, but there's very little in TSR; TSR is mostly serious. Nowhere near as serious as the manga/LN get after that, but much more serious than the first FMP season, and with very little of the comedy; unlike the first season, which has both and I think is the best part of the franchise, TSR and Fumoffu basically split up the comedy and drama each into a separate series. I guess TSR has a few bits of comedy, but it's rare.
Yeah, FMP (the first season) is both comedy and serious. I think they do a pretty good job of balancing the two sides.
It should have been, had it been anywhere near as great as the original Last Exile was! That series was a definite disappointment, for sure. It wasn't awful, but it should have been a lot better.
Episode nine of Infinite Stratos, is it not one of the greatest episodes of anime ever? I think it is!
Within the series, it's only exceeded by episode eleven, which is unreservedly abysmal across the board. Yes, even more so than ep. 9.
Guns do kill people, though.
Wheeljack539
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It has to do with the [possible FSN spoilers]
Saber paradox. All the Servants seen in the series, sans Saber, have died and have ascended to the Throne of Heroes, where those Heros of legend go to bypassing the stages of death and rebirth. Arturia on the other hand made a pact with the world to change her history and granting her the chance at the Grail. If she succeeds, another will take her place as King per her wish and IIRC she'll get her chance at a normal life.
The kicker is that once she dies she will become a Counter Guardian, one who swoops in to protect the human race should something threaten it with genocide or an even that will lead to genocide. The problem that she does not know is that if that happens and should she be called to deal with it she will have no control over herself and will basically become a murder machine, slaughtering all in her path, guilty and innocent, to ensure the human race survives and that the instigator/s of that possible genocide are destroyed.
What you see is Saber being returned to just after the Battle of Camlann, the final battle of King Arthur in legend, where she made the initial pact.
The kicker is that once she dies she will become a Counter Guardian, one who swoops in to protect the human race should something threaten it with genocide or an even that will lead to genocide. The problem that she does not know is that if that happens and should she be called to deal with it she will have no control over herself and will basically become a murder machine, slaughtering all in her path, guilty and innocent, to ensure the human race survives and that the instigator/s of that possible genocide are destroyed.
What you see is Saber being returned to just after the Battle of Camlann, the final battle of King Arthur in legend, where she made the initial pact.
Last one I watched was Ano Natsu, but Accel World is action too, isn't it?
Unknown Soldier
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Fate/Zero 18/19:
The origin of Emiya Kiritsugu.
More than any other episodes in the series, this pair of episodes really feels like the ufotable that made Kara no Kyoukai. They are the two most powerful episodes in the series so far, and it's clear that ufotable understood the importance of this portion of Fate/Zero's story since these two episodes omit the OP and have a special ED. I'm not so sure about the translation, unless in the Nasuverse
Oh well. Everything eventually comes back to
I guess.
The origin of Emiya Kiritsugu.
More than any other episodes in the series, this pair of episodes really feels like the ufotable that made Kara no Kyoukai. They are the two most powerful episodes in the series so far, and it's clear that ufotable understood the importance of this portion of Fate/Zero's story since these two episodes omit the OP and have a special ED. I'm not so sure about the translation, unless in the Nasuverse
a zombie is just a vampire which can't control it's innate desire to feed voraciously.
zombies
Passion.
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So yeah, i just finished Fate/Zero ep25...i feel like i missed something.
I just realized he has no nipples. I wonder if it'll be a BD extra.
KO Traveling Hobo
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I feel like a huge dick since you wrote out a nice long post, but as I said before, I'm thinking about going through the FSN VN so I'd rather not spoil more than I have already. I appreciate it, though. :x
Yep.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I think it would have been great if it weren't for all that pesky Exile nonsense!
chickdigger802
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kuroko bball
quality of animations was down this week, but stuff was still good. Something I realized now, all shounen shows need drums in their ost.
quality of animations was down this week, but stuff was still good. Something I realized now, all shounen shows need drums in their ost.
A Black Falcon
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I never actually watched Lost, but I did watch Alias for a few seasons. I liked it for quite a while, but ended up dropping it somewhere in the third season or so, when there was that timeskip and the already crazy plot got even more insane... and after that experience, I couldn't quite get myself to watch Lost.
I mention this in my post, I think... but I assume you mean how Western stuff set in an Asian setting will almost always randomly mix together ninjas, samurai, and Chinese kung fu warriors? That is true, agreed, but is even Japan entirely innocent of doing that? That would be where the "at least they know it's wrong" part would come into play though, maybe lessening the impact for their stuff.
But really, Japan makes a LOT more fantasy stuff than the West does stuff set in ancient Asian settings. It's not even remotely close.
You'd have to be trying really, REALLY hard to avoid fantasy stuff, then, because they're one of the most common kinds of anime and manga there are, outside of stuff set in high schools... but as for those two, FMA is sort of fantasy, though it isn't at all a traditional one so I'd probably call it borderline, but Brave 10 isn't traditional fantasy, of course; it's an ancient Japanese fantasy series, but Fantasy in general mostly refers to European-style faux-medieval stuff.
I'd say that even though she says htat's why she beats her, as you suggest, it's more about her experience mostly playing online, so she doesn't notice that real-world element; that is, it's her "power" coming into play, as you suggest, not necessarily because it didn't work because she's immune to powers or something. I mean, Saki certainly beats her consistently in their practices...
Yeah, if it's completely, openly obvious about its ridiculous setting, that's not so bad; it's a clear fantasy. The worst is when it seems to be believable, but then does stuff that's stupid, or when it's completely unclear on what it wants to be and just ends up all confused and annoying, like how Japanese fantasy settings usually are.
On that note Angels in the Outfield was clearly ridiculous, but it was a fun, obviously not "real-world" ridiculous, so it was okay. I liked that movie as a kid.
I doubt there's any possible decent explanation for something like that, unfortunately.SG-1 got stupid because it had an actual conspiracy within the show made up of ex-CIA guys.
So you had these evil humans stealing tech for themselves and even THOSE guys ignored 9-11!
The point is that she wouldn't have in the first place, there were no pagans in Greece and hadn't been for a millenium. Her costumes are just as bad, and I don't mean just the requisite skimpyness, I also mean the concepts -- those ancient Greek inspired costumes in many of the games (from Soul Calibur 3 onward, I mean) of course have no connection to anything a 17th century Greek person would have worn.
Of course Soul Calibur costumes are virtually never in any way accurate, and fail every fantasy-costumes test I mentioned in that last post, but that time differential is even bigger than putting modern costumes in a game like that; modern costumes are only ~450 years out of date, after all, ancient Greek ones are more than twice as far off. So in both beliefs and in looks, she's not a plausible character. They should have just invented some fantasy world from the series, trying to set it in the real world, mentioning bits of actual history here and there, and then completely ignoring it the rest of the time doesn't make any sense.
Oh, and I haven't mentioned how much longer it'd take to travel around the world back then than these games suggest, when in one game you start in Japan and end up in Europe and then go back and forth several times and the game acts like almost no time passes... :lol I know, videogame logic, but the issue is that they set it in something that's supposedly the "real world", and then take off in random, nonsense directions without ever actually trying to give any kind of explanation for things. I know that's not the way anime fantasy does things, and that's not always how western fantasy does things either, but while I can enjoy things that ignore those things -- I do like the Soul Calibur series, for instance -- this stuff bugs me for sure.
Hah, that's pretty silly. That much variation, really?
That, yeah... though a not insanely stupid older princess was really needed too.
Seriously, Liliana, really?It has a superior ED than the OP thanks to Sat of Fripside.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEXG1bdpCJk
Chet Rippo
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Men in japan don't have nipples.
A Black Falcon
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Allison is an overall good series. Allison's a great character, and Wil's okay enough to do. It has some issues here and there, but overall I definitely liked it.
Lillia, however, is a disappointment all around. Lillia's so much less competent than Allison, so much less interesting of a character, that it's a huge disappointment... I'd almost recommend watching the first half and then just dropping it there, but who knows, maybe you'll like Lillia on cuteness grounds alone or something. I disliked her versus Allison based on their characters, mostly. Allison's so much stronger of a person, so much more competent, so much more awesome... Lillia's just way too boring and generic.
Unknown Soldier
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Oh, for anybody who cares, one of the most useful things about KnK even though it occurs in an alternate universe to the canonical Nasuverse is that it explains a great deal about the Mages and their obsession with reaching the Root, the Origin of everything. The whole reason for the Holy Grail War is to reach the Root, and KnK also delves into the world of Mages who exist outside of the Mages Association, specifically ones who have a Sealing Order against them and who must therefore perpetually be on the run.
KnK also features a pretty detailed explanation of the concept of the Origin itself, borrowed by Nasu from Buddhist tradition. In the Nasuverse, all things have an Origin, which can be thought of loosely as a basis of existence. Kiritsugu's Origin is
, which informs not only his curious special bullets which scramble the Magic Circuits inside of Mages by cutting them up and tying them back together but also his entire life's arc, specifically regarding his apparent penchant for
which can be thought of as cutting and tying family bonds.
(Explanation spoilers for episodes 18/19)
I found it to be insufferably boring and dropped it after 4 or 5 episodes. It had a pretty OP though.
KnK also features a pretty detailed explanation of the concept of the Origin itself, borrowed by Nasu from Buddhist tradition. In the Nasuverse, all things have an Origin, which can be thought of loosely as a basis of existence. Kiritsugu's Origin is
loosely considered to be cutting and tying together again
patricide and matricide
(Explanation spoilers for episodes 18/19)
It's only barely touched on during episodes 18/19, but the reason Kiritsugu's father was living on a remote island was because of the Sealing Order against him for doing research into immortality using the Vampires, the Dead Apostles. He implies that the Emiya family has been carrying on this research in hiding for generations and that Kiritsugu would have been the one to inherit the family and it's research, had he not ended his bloodline by popping a cap in daddy's ass.
I found it to be insufferably boring and dropped it after 4 or 5 episodes. It had a pretty OP though.
Ok I will probably try that out, but Lagrange and SAO will be replacing F/Z and Mouretsu Pirates soon.
Sucks to not have time to add more shows (also watching: Eureka Ao, Tsuritama, Sankarea, Fairy Tail) or go through my anime backlog (a ton)
Ultimadrago
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Anime won't cover it, due to it being the Fate arc, which doesn't explain much. Heaven's Feel is the one you'll probably want to go through. It also resolves the Sakura stuff, like the cute moe puppy swarm.
PUPPIES!
kiunchbb
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The first 4 book was really good, not sure about anime. The whole story eventually turn into harem as they introduce more and more different arc type of waifu and lolis that fall in love with the same guy.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah, it's alright when it's not infodumping on you every other episode. Each arc ends with a Holmesian monologue that spells everything out for you just in case you weren't paying attention.
Yuri Bechdel test?
Ultimadrago
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Man nipples are not sexy. This is the way things should be.
A Black Falcon
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I thought this was the only reason to watch LE: Famfam.
These points are true, and it makes it look like Fam should be the better series as far as female characters go, but on the other hand, none of the (fewer) original LE female characters are as stupid as a few of the ones from Fam are... I'd argue that even the evil woman from LE isn't as dumb as some of Fam's characters. So there is that, going the other way.
dakkumauji
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Fate/Zero 25
Great episode and it was a great ending to this series.
Weaver end is the best end.
Great episode and it was a great ending to this series.
Weaver end is the best end.
Jex
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Finally.
But is it good?
Dragoon En Regalia
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And can it blend?!
Jex
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Come now, we're all aware that Japanese men have no nipples. That has been proven time and time again.
Dragoon En Regalia
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I need to see some scientific reports on this strange no-nipple phenomenon. Sauce pls?
chickdigger802
Banned
Space Pirates 25
Almost done T_T.
I do hope there will be another season. The anime original stuff were all pretty good. But yeah best part of the eps is easily:
<3<3<3<3<3
Almost done T_T.
I do hope there will be another season. The anime original stuff were all pretty good. But yeah best part of the eps is easily:
<3
<3<3<3<3<3
Jex
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I can't imagine many of them bother with that - especially with all that filler as well.
Now, stacks of manga, that I see far more often.
That video doesn't make the ED justice because it's missing the introduction that plays over the last scene of each episode!
Jex
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It occurs any time a man is shirtless. Just look at Hajime no Ippo, for example.
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