This is the correct answer. What tesseract is saying is wrong.
AC is basically a totally different class, it should not be changed.
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This is the correct answer. What tesseract is saying is wrong.
AC is basically a totally different class, it should not be changed.
Azwethinkweiz
Member
Not quite. There are still a lot of shared abilities.
If it's not the same class (when there is too much similarities and overlap for it to be said it is not the same class) then it should be treated as different classes, from the start.
BattleMonkey
Member
A person can run through the first 10 levels and get into their AC in less than 2 hours, it's not a big deal to restart.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Thank you everyone for the input!
Heck, I think just getting a lot of supportive replies - rather than "catch up/play more" posts - really helps out. Being my first MMO, and knowing how serious people get about them, I kept feeling like I was falling behind. But I suppose you all are correct; I should just play at my own pace like I would with any other game.
And I have been saving money; I've skipped quite a few releases already, and will be in the foreseeable future. But, lol, I just can't say no to a new Mass Effect or a new Metal Gear ;p
Anyhoo, I think I'll log back on tonight for a couple hours, and just try to put in 5 or 6 hours a week, which means I should hopefully hit 50 by sometime in March. That's not awful. And then instead of grinding end-game, I may just go back and enjoy the stories of another class.
Thank you, all!
Heck, I think just getting a lot of supportive replies - rather than "catch up/play more" posts - really helps out. Being my first MMO, and knowing how serious people get about them, I kept feeling like I was falling behind. But I suppose you all are correct; I should just play at my own pace like I would with any other game.
And I have been saving money; I've skipped quite a few releases already, and will be in the foreseeable future. But, lol, I just can't say no to a new Mass Effect or a new Metal Gear ;p
Anyhoo, I think I'll log back on tonight for a couple hours, and just try to put in 5 or 6 hours a week, which means I should hopefully hit 50 by sometime in March. That's not awful. And then instead of grinding end-game, I may just go back and enjoy the stories of another class.
Thank you, all!
The guild summit is going to be live streamed for free.
http://www.swtor.com/blog/guild-summit-update
http://www.swtor.com/blog/guild-summit-update
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
That's pretty cool. I'll definitely try to catch that.
HarryDemeanor
Member
That's really cool for them to do that.
I have no problem with you saying they should be treated as different classes from the start.
But it's obvious why they chose to do it this way, as CzarTim said earlier... it's so they didn't have to do double the story development and voice work, which would be substantial. I can easily give them a pass on this, because it's already crazy how many voice lines are in this game.
It's clear to me they meant this game to have 8 different classes, not 4.
You should read the rest. It's in there if you target a guildy and press alt-t, but there is no real way to track it.
And I don't know where you guys are seeing it, but I can't find where it shows a guildie's last login
Francois424
Neo Member
Ok it isn't just me... I was wondering how to check that as well.
Very interested on the how-to's if anyone want to share.
This game also needs a "Friends" channel; where you can chat with all your friends without inviting them in Parties or custom channels all the time.
But it's in the "nice to have" category, and we manage some other ways.
PS: No we can't create a guild togetter as most of my friends are in different guilds and like them, so it woudn't be practical.
[Edit: Thanks CzarTim, will try that tonight when back from work! ]
In the guild panel there's a small arrow pointing down on the right column. The options are rank, member/officer note, and last played.
Creating custom channel is exactly what you want. The chat function remembers which ones you've joined from session-to-session, so I don't see why that's a problem.
Just make one chat channel and you'll autojoin it on login
Francois424
Neo Member
Just gotta laugh at World PvP on Voss, get attacked while looking at a vendor in town. by the by, lvl 50 attacks a lvl 48 getting first alpha strike.
Person wins battle earns nothing rides away.
Truly MMO designers are flat out retarded and should quit their jobs.
MMO designers have no clue what a PvP server entails.
Person wins battle earns nothing rides away.
Truly MMO designers are flat out retarded and should quit their jobs.
MMO designers have no clue what a PvP server entails.
Of course they post this information about the people being chosen in the next few days AFTER I already plan my trip around not going.
Ah well, I'm sure I won't get chosen anyways =/
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Can't you unflag PvP while in the main town there?
BattleMonkey
Member
Inquisitors/Consulars just make pvp unfun.
Correct. I accidentally discovered this because I wandered into a Republic town and got flagged. All night long I was flagged, and at first I thought it was because I was grouped with a bunch of friends (and you know the old "plague spreading" meme from Vanilla and BC WoW). I finally figured it out when hovering over the icon that I needed to stay in town to be get unflagged.
I dont think so. The higher up i get the more i enjoy pvp and learn to deal with each classes strengths and weaknesses.
Spiritreaver
Member
Does anyone have a sniper build that utilizes engineering that they enjoy? I've been testing out a lethality/engy hybrid and while the damage is nice, I have so much less energy and defense than before.
And please don't tell me to go MM for PvP, I know that's always viable, but everyone's a cookie cutter MM these days.
And please don't tell me to go MM for PvP, I know that's always viable, but everyone's a cookie cutter MM these days.
Angelus Errare
Banned
lastplayed
Member
It's funny hearing so many familiar voices in this game. It's like a who's who of BioWare voice talent.
I love Darth Jadus especially, I've heard that guy's voice in so many history documentaries. It's great.
I love Darth Jadus especially, I've heard that guy's voice in so many history documentaries. It's great.
antiquegamer
Member
Have you been in PVP where the other team comprise mainly of Sith Sorceror? It's really not fun, especially Huttball. Not sure how it is at 50 since I am not there yet, but it's defninitely not fun 49 and below when you are facing with 5-6 Sorceror all throwing lighning at you while bubbling.
Spiritreaver
Member
I think sorcs/sages are fine from a PVP standpoint when it comes to damage/healing.
It's their fucking movement altering skills that's broken, especially in Huttball. Force speed, the friendly grapple, and knockbacks. Ball carriers need some kind of grounded effect that does more than just lower movement speed.
It's their fucking movement altering skills that's broken, especially in Huttball. Force speed, the friendly grapple, and knockbacks. Ball carriers need some kind of grounded effect that does more than just lower movement speed.
I think the sorc healers are a bit op. They can fully heal within seconds of being attacked, attack you back, and potentially kill you if they have better gear. Even if you can kill one, it takes far longer than it should, even when you get a good leading attack on them they can quickly recover with one spell
Umm...... what?
Pending: USD $16.38
The sub really has sales tax?
"Please note that some U.S. states have instituted sales and/or usage taxes on online subscription services. Please check with your state's Revenue Department to find out whether your subscription is subject to taxation, and for information on the rate charged."
Why doesn't WoW's sub have tax in my state? WTF is this?
Pending: USD $16.38
The sub really has sales tax?
"Please note that some U.S. states have instituted sales and/or usage taxes on online subscription services. Please check with your state's Revenue Department to find out whether your subscription is subject to taxation, and for information on the rate charged."
Why doesn't WoW's sub have tax in my state? WTF is this?
there's a reason why there's so many sorcs, lightning
BattleMonkey
Member
Whatever team has the most Consulars/Inq, is going to win the WZ. It's just how it always goes. At 50 it just gets worse once they are loaded up in expertise and have almost as many hitpoints as the friggin tanks.
When did you last sub to WoW, because WoW does charge tax on it's subs depending on state as well.
I use the smug equivalent of MM/Eng.... was full leathality from lvl 25-47. Damage is about the same and energy is much easier to manage but lack of mobility and survivability make it less fun than full Leathality imo.
Even damage specced sorc's are tedious though. I mean on my Merc, I can't do much healing since I'm not specced for it, it heals for pathetic amounts, and uses far too much heat to be viable. That doesn't seem to be the case for damage specced sorc's.
Maybe that's just because the Force system is a lot more forgiving though.
Maybe that's just because the Force system is a lot more forgiving though.
So before I logged tonight I decided to consolidate all the possessions of my toons on Kellers void as I play on the harbringer and soon the aussie servers. Whom in the guild should I send the stuff to? or would you prefer me to wait until guild bank is implemented and deposit in there?
Jbird34
Member
Yep, but you don't have to use Origin to play it
Looking at their FAQ I do see 7 states with subscription tax.
But mine, Tenn, hasn't had tax in the past 6 years and my sub currently active.
I don't see why WoW wouldn't and SWTOR would especially since WoW's website says "With the rise of many online subscription-based services, several states have begun to apply a tax to services that use such a mode."
They are far and away the most powerful healer in the game, there is absolutely no reason to ever take another healer if there is a sorc present.
It's been like that since beta and it is the reason the sorc is by far the most played class in the game, which put Bioware in a crunch when they try to nerf them
It's not to say the other healers suck, but in most MMO's each healer class will generally bring something that it excels at to the table.
BattleMonkey
Member
They don't really need to nerf the healing, they need to nerf the power of their swiss army knife nature. They can just pretty much everything . They are awesome healers, then give them actual weaknesses and take away from other aspects.
It could easily be fixed by making the Trooper/Smugger aoe heals hit every target in range, rather than a certain number of people. It wouldn't quite fix it, but would help.
Someone from Bioware better be in here.
How much does yours come out to? I know mine is more than the standard 14.99 or whatever (in TN).
Hari Seldon
Member
They could just buff the other healing specs.
I'm getting $14.99 + $1.38 (9.25 %) for $16.38 total in TN.
It may have to do with EA having opened retail stores in some states, that may be triggering the tax. It's similar to how Amazon collects internet sales tax in states that they have a physical presence in. It's federal law.
BattleMonkey
Member
Buff and work on all the other classes, or tone down one? Hmmmm
It's also nothing about pure healing, it's the whole jack of all trades awesomeness (OPness) of the class. And healing again is not the issue really with the class, the others may need buff in their healing. The problem with the class is how it can do everything well. Expertise and HP given out in pvp gear also makes the concept of light armor pointless when worn by these classes also.
Game is not hard at all, buffing everyone is not going to help anything. Toning down the problem class is more important.
Game has an issue when Inq/consulars alone can run any instance with a group made up of nothing but the same class, and when that single class is usually the determining factor in pvp matches when it comes to "who has the most of them on their side"
It's easier to nerf than to buff yes.
But having played one class and then playing some of the others, yeah it's a jack of all trades, but that's why I like it. It's like playing a paladin imo.
TBH though once they did that really shitty combo system thing for paladins I shelved my main indefinitely. It didn't make the class less boring, it made it too tedious. I went and played a shaman instead and had 1000000 times more fun.
Or a group full of mercs
or a group full of ops
Okay those two things don't happen that often but I feel that's more of an issue with ranged itself. If you've got a full team of any healers it's pretty shitty.
Troopers I feel are pretty bad in pvp though.
But having played one class and then playing some of the others, yeah it's a jack of all trades, but that's why I like it. It's like playing a paladin imo.
TBH though once they did that really shitty combo system thing for paladins I shelved my main indefinitely. It didn't make the class less boring, it made it too tedious. I went and played a shaman instead and had 1000000 times more fun.
Or a group full of mercs
or a group full of ops
Okay those two things don't happen that often but I feel that's more of an issue with ranged itself. If you've got a full team of any healers it's pretty shitty.
Troopers I feel are pretty bad in pvp though.