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Star Wars: The Old Republic |OT| EA: "Let's blow this thing and go home!"
- Thread starter Emitan
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True no mmo is ever finish but a shame it launched in that state. Though good they are at least tackling the problem and from the patch list they aren't wasting any time.
Clearly they aren't the same. What I mean is FFXIV launched with so many problems that all other mmo teams had to take notice. Especially the lack of some very key and standard systems. I would think even if they were getting close to release they would want to make sure they didn't have any gaping holes in their design like that. Chat and grouping systems are key for a MMO and have been for years.
BattleMonkey
Member
Keller's Void
/stuck made for some epic pvp battles too though. I really enjoyed it even when used by opponents.
Giolon
Member
You don't - you need to go to a Companion Customization Vendor. Here's a list I found on the official forums: http://www.swtor.com/de/community/showthread.php?t=226795
It doesn't look like SCORPIO has any, but the Security Key Vendors (both on the Fleet and the Ilum Orbital Station, with IOS having a larger selection), and the Collector's Edition Vendor (in the VIP Lounge on the Fleet) also sell some customization kits.
Francois424
Neo Member
I don't think the game is bleeding players that much.
I think that population is just moving around, trying to settle on a good server.
Some server have crappy economies and lots of stupid undercutting all the time (Mind Trick) or people jacking up the price of orange gear to +/- 500k (Kaas City). Some others just die off (Nathema is between 10-20ppl on fleet, at it's prime time). Also, the word is going around that you want a High-Population server, so ppl like myself are migrating everynow and then trying to settle down.
Then there's the faction imbalance to top it all. heh.
Enosh
Member
yeah, not everyone likes lfg tools, so I'd say that was more of a decision to not put it in than "omg we have no time"Wow.I don't understand how any MMO can be designed without any type of LFG system and other key systems.
FieryBalrog
Member
So why are they already talking about adding it?
Trotting out the "community" excuse for a while, which they did, is 99.9% less work than implementing a LFG system. I don't mean in a lazy devs way, I mean in a "we're wrestling with this game for launch" way.
Except Bioware is already talking about adding LFG tools.
So that completely debunks your theory.
cpp_is_king
Member
WTH? Who doesn't like lfg tools, and why?
Enosh
Member
last I heard they were just talking about expanding the current system and not doing one that groups you up by itself with other people
might have changed, idk not following what the devs say all that much
some bullshit about community
cpp_is_king
Member
I can think of another thing that negatively impacts community -- not having any subscribers.
Except there's a big difference between dungeon finder/lfg like wow has now, and a simple lfg tool that makes you actually able to find people, and does nothing else.
BattleMonkey
Member
They were talking about LFG tools before the game launched, they said it would be post launch additions. People were asking for a long time in beta and they seem to have gotten the hint, but it seems to be on the long list of stuff that didn't get in for launch and is in the works. Though I don't even think it will be in 1.2 as they have stated most things being added to that.
In the meantime they should just open a friggen global lfg channel at least.
Francois424
Neo Member
The concern for "the community" thing is the "Cross-Server" LFG
As in ppl from server X ends up doing flashpoints on server Y.
They "need" every items, and use non work-friendly comments to ppl complaining
Then they are gone after the FP, having wasted everybody's time.
Then you run another FP, and the same thing happens... fun times.
At least on the same server, pressure from the peers keeps ppl in-line lest they play alone and we dont want to party with them anymore.
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That's what was summed-up on BioWare forums time and time again.
Personally I don't really care and never had issues with PUGs in WoW.
As in ppl from server X ends up doing flashpoints on server Y.
They "need" every items, and use non work-friendly comments to ppl complaining
Then they are gone after the FP, having wasted everybody's time.
Then you run another FP, and the same thing happens... fun times.
At least on the same server, pressure from the peers keeps ppl in-line lest they play alone and we dont want to party with them anymore.
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That's what was summed-up on BioWare forums time and time again.
Personally I don't really care and never had issues with PUGs in WoW.
BattleMonkey
Member
They said already that cross server pvp is eventually coming, can assume they will try to do cross server LFG tools as well. I'm fine with cross server pvp, I never found community in instanced pvp so whatever, but yea I'm not a fan of cross server dungeon tools. Keep it on the same server for now or at least make sure to give us the option of choosing to do either cross server or same server when you queue up
Cool Escalator
Banned
At the very least, give us a a single server LFG system.
I see the view point against the cross server LFG (Although I do not agree with it), but there is no argument against a streamlined LFG queue up system that is exclusive to the server.
Have it similar to WoW's or Rifts (queue your role for a specific dungeon or HMs in general) but have it be just a single server instead of everyone. This way we do not have to sit in the fleet and yell for people in general chat. This prevents us from questing and doing things much more useful with our time.
How can anyone be against that?
I see the view point against the cross server LFG (Although I do not agree with it), but there is no argument against a streamlined LFG queue up system that is exclusive to the server.
Have it similar to WoW's or Rifts (queue your role for a specific dungeon or HMs in general) but have it be just a single server instead of everyone. This way we do not have to sit in the fleet and yell for people in general chat. This prevents us from questing and doing things much more useful with our time.
How can anyone be against that?
FieryBalrog
Member
I'm pretty sure you can find people who are against that, too.
antiquegamer
Member
Yeah, I am dread getting to 50 with my Operative. She's at 49.5. Some guy already send me tell for me to just reroll now because it's a waste of time to play Operative PVP at 50. *sigh* He said he had one and reroll to Sorceror.
In the meantime, what I find fun is hutball game with no Sith Sorceror in it. What a difference that was, the game was exciting back and forth. Also nice not to just see stream of purple everywhere.
Operatives are still very good, you just have to work a little bit to excel with classes like the marauder and the operative. You gotta manage cooldowns efficiently and pay attention to positioning as a melee; as a sorc you have a little bit of room for error since you have over 9000 escape mechanisms. But concealment ops with decent gear can still instagib people and healer ops are pretty damn good.
As an op who hit 50 a week ago, you were told the truth. Life isn't as fun as it was pre 50. Ops are just cc'd to death in huttball, which is the only wz.
I love the new options to customize cooldowns which kept changing since the release of the game. Been using Style 3 with Show Cooldown Text turned on and it really makes a difference during combat. One little thing they also changed was that now shops highlight only the items for which you are eligible to use. Nice little change that makes browsing through items a breeze.
+1 to this. Everyone rolling sorc just to be flavor of the month is weak. Avg sorc play isnt very good. Ive run into a few good sorc players in pvp but most dont pose any problem. Ops can win a huttball game for a team by taking out key players. Just figure out how to make yourself useful. You just cant faceroll like sorcs do.
Gatti-man you just hurt my poor sorceror feelings. It's not my fault you and Rexos have to carry me to victory in huttball.
antiquegamer
Member
That is what I do as a concealment operative, but I find I could only kill wounded and lower Soc. it's not the fact that they are impossible to kill but combination of 3-4 soc mixed with merc usually doom for opposing team (unless you roll with equal number of soc). It's just not fun and boring.
I will probably go back to healing spec or just quit plaing since my guild s pretty much dead. Over 40 members and we re lucky if we now get more than 4 people on everyone just move on. This was my 3rd server change and I dont know if I can go through leveling another on Gaf server.
chickdigger802
Banned
Annnnd I canceled my sub.
Taking me 10min to log on to realize there was a memory leak or something (game froze for a good 10-20secs when I try to turn the camera), then another 10 min to close the game.
Might come back in march.... but yeah.
Taking me 10min to log on to realize there was a memory leak or something (game froze for a good 10-20secs when I try to turn the camera), then another 10 min to close the game.
Might come back in march.... but yeah.
Enosh
Member
yeah but that fucks up people from low populated servers
an idea might be to pair servers up, a low pop one with a high pop one
as republic player who hasn't seen 100 people on the fleet for 2 months. i would love nothing more than a x-server lfg. i haven't ran shit because the only time i can play when my guild is on are on the weekends and we do raids. when i usually play at this time there's like 20 people on. can't even fucking pvp.
not even half way through social rank 1.
not even half way through social rank 1.
AzureNightmare
Banned
logging on later this evening, hopefully I can scare up something decent to do.
BattleMonkey
Member
Well sever merges will help too and just help fluff up some of the servers. Imperials are going to have higher numbers whatever they do but at least republics would have more players. My current server on prime time is 200 imps vs 70 pubs..... it really is hard to play my alt when the auction market has less variety because of the population and less players running things. At least with some smart merges lot of servers will be able to see their pub fleets up in the 200's possibly.
World pvp imbalance is an issue but people rarely do it anyways, and places like Illum and such have caps on the instance already... heck just put faction caps in open pvp area to try and prevent zergs
BattleMonkey
Member
Yea, EA is not going to want to have merges going on anytime soon, it looks bad even though really it is often needed. MMOs tend to always open too many servers to meet launch demand and as players calm down in the amount of play, the servers aren't really needed anymore, so a merge should be done. But it is always seen as doom and gloom but really it's just how it should be done. You have 1mil + joining a game day 1, people are going to taper off the game and your not going to be picking up players that fast anymore. Even if a game has player growth, it's going to eventually need some mergers after a big launch. People have been asking for merges in RIFT for a while too before anything was done as the servers were largely all light pop even at prime time.
It should eventually happen but again, they are going to resist doing it. Lot of players want merges too, but it's the outside appearance to those not playing that the publishers are scared of.
cpp_is_king
Member
Thats why instead of "merges" you do voluntary free transfers. Youll be left with some dead servers, which you can then close
CAW
Member
One thing I've always wondered. I'm on Taris with a couple of my level 35 imperial characters. I'm on a PvP server, however I leveled a jedi sentinel to 17 and was on Taris at level 17. It's pretty much a mirrored zone.
Anyway, I'm guessing I'm not going to see any republic players here right, or are they sent back to the planet at higher levels? How does that work?
Anyway, I'm guessing I'm not going to see any republic players here right, or are they sent back to the planet at higher levels? How does that work?
My OP was my very first level 50. Rerolled an Assassin to 50 and now working on a Juggernaut. Level 50 PvP for an OP(concealment) sucks.
That's another knock I have on this game... there was just no point in joining a pvp server because it was so rare for me to actually see anyone while leveling.
I did the reverse... my first was my shadow, and my op was my second to 50. Instead of continuing with these characters, I just cancelled my account.
BattleMonkey
Member
That just pleases select handful of people, but really does nothing to help server populations. It often just ruins various servers when entire guilds up and transfer to another server. Yea you may get to move to a better pop server, but it doesn't help the rest of the game community which has a bigger impact on long term subs. Lot of people don't take advantage of the transfers. Server mergers are the best thing to do, there is very little downside to it yet it's resisted just because it looks bad. So instead of doing what needs to be done, MMOs just languish and suffer till they have no choice, instead of trying to fix the problems early.
Yea Taris and Balmorra I believe are two of the planets that aren't occupied by both factions beyond the starting zones.
BattleMonkey
Member
Sorc/Consulars are considered the best still. They are supposed to be buffing the other healers abilities in 1.2 along with a nerf for the Sorc/Cons it seems.
Fixed1979
Member
Is it a significant difference? Will I be looked down upon if I continue with my low level commando? I suppose I can just ride it out until the patch either way...
BattleMonkey
Member
I don't think many players care outside of hardcore assholes. Guildie who is a merc healer and is fully geared yesterday was told by some randoms they didn't want him even though they were crying for a healer on fleet for a long time, they just wanted a Sorc. I've not really seen that though before and have ran HM FPs and such just fine with other types of healers.
I'm still really enjoying the game, my issue is I haven't found a class that I love enough to grind out level 50 gear with.
There is no combat log or addons to monitor so play whatever you want safetly.
But the answer is yes, a sorc or consular VASTLY outheals the other healing classes while also having by far the most utility. If I was a raid leader in a hardcore raiding guild I would probably only bring sorcs, it's that bad.
It will eventually all balance out.
I was laughing last night, I was so excited with a proper cooldown graphic on my action bar..I came to the realization that my expectations are so low with the POS hero engine that addding features found in every MMO for the last decades excite me.
My most exited addition for 1.2?
/roll
Loot distribution in a HM operation without a DKP system is ugly
BannedEpisode
Member
I just hope Kolto Missile is buffed to effect more targets. That would be useful for pvp.