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Steam curator warns players if Sweet Baby is involved in a game

DeaDPo0L84

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I don't want to get political, I'm not even a US citizen, but these are devs working on games nowadays.

LoTT picked this up:
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Lambogenie

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I don't want to get political, I'm not even a US citizen, but these are devs working on games nowadays.

That's funked. The glee as she says it. How is it not discrimination? What if I said, in general, black women are difficult to work with? Then what? Or I don't hire women because x or y?

I'm not white and "marginalised" and I can't stand these fools hypocrisy and double standards (or extremes on either end mind you). I can't stand the patronising "are you okay, do you feel safe?" Bitch, I learn, adapt and get along without compromising my values or being a total dickhead to opposing views. Stop trying to "save" me and my people, we don't need your pity party. We will get where we need to by true strength and merit, not for being a minority taking pitiful hand outs.

These young idiots, gloating on social media, given power to lead teams and admit discrimination... hope they all lose that power/job. I don't even necessarily mind they only hire black people (somwtimes you do just need common ground and vision and thats fucking OK!), but don't dare harp on about DEI or being marginalised at the same time.
 
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Absolute bollocks narrative pushed by DIE grifters.

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27.5 million copies. Most of them to people that are not black.
I'm not sure what you're arguing? So you're not arguing against the inclusion of other races in games? Your post literally makes no sense and fix it up, it's DEI not DIE.
What you’re missing is this was all set off by an employee of Sweet Baby Inc trying to get a Steam user banned. This video is much more factual without pandering to outrage engagement. I recommend it.


I watched that video, thanks for sharing. The topic itself is suffering from the Streisand effect, but the argument itself is rather pointless? Even the video you shared, the author delves into DEI politics diatribe in the second half of the video and I tuned out. I'm not a fan of DEI myself and we see time and time again the same tropes. "Black character who's gay or queer or whatever" to fill multiple checkboxes. "Asian characters who are always fighting".... Blah blah blah, the whole topic is tiring and pointless to me. Again, it's a mountain out of a mole hill. The market will self correct, it always does.

Yea, sweet baby brought this on themselves but, they can't get the user banned from steam. It's not going to work and the company should probably terminate the employee that kicked off this brouhaha because it's bad for business. In the end, it's whatever and not the least bit important to the state of gaming as a whole. At least not right now.
 

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
"I only hire whites because blacks are unsafe and its hard to work with them."

Imagine if someone, let alone a dev said that publicly

Your life would officially be over within the hour

Yep. Anyone in a leadership position saying they wouldn't hire blacks on principle would be fired at the spot, their life would be made a living hell. But you can say the most horrible things about white people without suffering any consequences because you can't be racist again against whites.
 
"I only hire whites because blacks are unsafe and its hard to work with them."

Imagine if someone, let alone a dev said that publicly

Your life would officially be over within the hour
people like this woman always remind me of a movie title: 'living in oblivion'. because people like this woman make it screamingly obvious that they indeed are...
 
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StueyDuck

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I don't want to get political, I'm not even a US citizen, but these are devs working on games nowadays.

I always thought that it was literally illegal to say I won't hire X because of x,y or z...

Labor laws have always skirted around affirmative action and dei and esg and so on...

But isn't straight up saying no whites allowed illegal in the US?

You guys should be taking this bitch and her team to court the racist fuck
 

Arsic

Loves his juicy stink trail scent
I always thought that it was literally illegal to say I won't hire X because of x,y or z...

Labor laws have always skirted around affirmative action and dei and esg and so on...

But isn't straight up saying no whites allowed illegal in the US?

You guys should be taking this bitch and her team to court the racist fuck
It is 100% illegal. To openly state it and do that should throw her into jail.

My only question is with this clear evidence why isn’t she in jail already?
 

ResurrectedContrarian

Suffers with mild autism
Honestly, good. The video game industry is due for a crash/reset. Happened in the 80s (twice) and again in the 90s. I genuinely feel bad for the in-the-trenches devs that this will inevitably affect, especially since most have little to no say in the decisions of middle and upper management.

But overall the industry is too bloated, too expensive, too many mid-tier products with AAA budgets. Too many games that require hundreds of hours of time, FOMO, continuous investment. Break-evens in the 10M+ sold. You can't just beat a game in a few weeks and move on anymore in the AAA space. Too many consultants and cooks in the kitchen.

"B-but making games is so hard and complex now!"

No it fucking isn't, we've made it harder with insane scale and scope. It's easier than _ever_ with modern-day tools. Both MS + Sony's consoles are basically the same hardware now (and are also just stripped down PCs), modern APIs and out of the box engines are a godsend compared to development for 6th gen and earlier.

Tunic? Banger, made by 1 dude
Sea of Stars? Banger by 1 dude
Lethal company? Banger by 1 dude
Stardew Valley? Banger by 1 dude
Axiom Verge 1+2? Banger by 1 dude
Hotline Miami 1+2? Banger by 2 dudes
list goes on

And the problem with team size exploding is that you end with tons of middle managers (and HR "professionals" etc) involved, who inherently ruin everything they touch, and kill the unique creative drive of projects.

Classic games like Doom were made by a small team of like-minded guys, building exactly what they wanted through the night, unencumbered by bullshit like quotas, "fairness", etc.

Case in point again, about the perils of "diverse" teams (from DoubleFine documentary). Watch her complain because some guys were staying late and the company bought them pizza for late sessions... which means mean-old crunch time might come back around and penalize the 9-5 whining types:


All I want is games made by driven people who had a vision and executed it without compromise. I hate gaming as a bloated industry with a ton of 9-5 jobs given out to masses of people who are then mediated through HR bullshit. I'd rather not have big budget games at all if it requires the middle managers and their brain numbing effects to be involved in the process.
 
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StueyDuck

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It is 100% illegal. To openly state it and do that should throw her into jail.

My only question is with this clear evidence why isn’t she in jail already?
Look I am not a US citizen nor live in the country but I believe a big part of your governance is that you are allowed to brings these sorts of matters to your local electorate and kick up a stink.

Its time to get the people with power involved now, anyone in the US you need to email and forward and quote tweet etc as many officials you can to make it clearly known that these people are straight up discriminating and being racist.

Again I don't know how any of that would work in the US but I feel like just sitting around and pasting more moronic tweets on here isn't going to change a whole lot.

Honestly to me this was originally just, games suck right now because useless unskilled people.

But after hearing her I am straight up worried, this goes deeper than gaming wokeness.. its straight up segregation/discrimination and racism. This is a muuuuch bigger problem if these people have the power now to discriminate against who they hire on skin color. This needs to be brought the attention of someone who can inact change.
 
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jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
It is 100% illegal. To openly state it and do that should throw her into jail.

My only question is with this clear evidence why isn’t she in jail already?
If you're white, here's a nice get-rich-quick scheme.
  • Apply to work at her company
  • Get rejected
  • Sue company for racial discrimination in civil court
  • Use this video as evidence of her systemic hiring practices
  • Profit
The cherry on top is that since this practice is also against the law, the company will face criminal fines and the owner could face potential jail time.
 
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Arsic

Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Look I am not a US citizen nor live in the country but I believe a big part of your governance is that you are allowed to brings these sorts of matters to your local electorate and kick up a stink.

Its time to get the people with power involved now, anyone in the US you need to email and forward and quote tweet etc as many officials you can to make it clearly known that these people are straight up discriminating and being racist.

Again I don't know how any of that would work in the US but I feel like just sitting around and pasting more moronic tweets on here isn't going to change a whole lot.

Honestly to me this was just, games suck right now because useless unskilled people.

But after hearing that I am straight up worried, this goes deeper than gaming wokeness.. its straight up segregation/discrimination and racism. This is a muuuuch bigger problem if these people have the power now to discriminate against who they hire on skin color. This needs to be brought the attention of someone who can inact change.

For me personally:
- Idk what state she’s in.
- Two most people do not want to commit the time to do this. Myself included. I’ve got enough with work, kids, wife, etc to try to figure out how to bring her and her company down.
-Three the politics in the USA and laws, plus the system, would more than likely see her walk away free without issues.

I encourage if someone has the free time and can make the difference to do so, but majority of people aren’t going to. I wish there was just an easy report button to the BBB and that’s that.
 


I don't want to get political, I'm not even a US citizen, but these are devs working on games nowadays.


Could you imagine saying this but removing white and inserting black? I grew up with tons of racism being call the N word all the time over 15+ fights just from being called the N word at school. It disgust me that she has this mindset. She's no different than the people who called me the N word at school.
 

StueyDuck

Member
For me personally:
- Idk what state she’s in.
- Two most people do not want to commit the time to do this. Myself included. I’ve got enough with work, kids, wife, etc to try to figure out how to bring her and her company down.
-Three the politics in the USA and laws, plus the system, would more than likely see her walk away free without issues.

I encourage if someone has the free time and can make the difference to do so, but majority of people aren’t going to. I wish there was just an easy report button to the BBB and that’s that.
Well I really hope some people here or maybe someone adjacent, a friend of a friend of someone here in the US really does something and alerts those who can inact change because what she is saying is genuinely terrifying.

If i was a US citizen that would terrify me because this is only the beginning, it needs to be sorted now otherwise it's only going to get worse.
 
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Arsic

Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Well I really hope some people here or maybe someone adjacent, a friend of a friend of someone here in the US really does something because what she is saying is genuinely terrifying.

If i was a US citizen that would terrify me because this is only the beginning, it needs to be sorted now otherwise it's only going to get worse.
Our political climate and social issues are so massive that this problem is actually worse than any of us think and there’s no fixing it.

When you speak out against it you lose your job, or are branded evil. No matter how you present the facts. The media will paint people against you.

Speaking out against these people, even if they are the minority who think this way, are far louder and get their way.

Our country also has infinitely bigger problems plaguing it. This isn’t even tip of the iceberg shit. Most of us have given up and just try to exist.
 

stn

Member
I always thought that it was literally illegal to say I won't hire X because of x,y or z...

Labor laws have always skirted around affirmative action and dei and esg and so on...

But isn't straight up saying no whites allowed illegal in the US?

You guys should be taking this bitch and her team to court the racist fuck
Labour and employment lawyer here. Yeah, its illegal in the sense that its discrimination. I don't know in which jurisdiction she was refusing to hire people, but anyone who tried to apply at her company and failed could point to that video as evidence. I don't know how big the damages might be, but if I had a client that came to me with that video as their evidence, I would absolutely recommend they file a human rights claim.
 

StueyDuck

Member
It's an entertainment industry thing, merit takes a backseat to knowing a lot of people "really well", unless your merit is undeniably at the top.
Yeah true.

Alot of the "evil white men" got axed though by these companies, I just still find it strange we haven't seen one dev, even if it's a smaller team, run by industry vets being like, yo, we are just gonna make games the old fashioned way...

That being said there probably is 🤷‍♂️ it's because being normal and level headed doesn't get noticed I suppose and doesn't need to announce itself as such.

But I'd love to see one day like Leslie benzies come out and say like, woke is dumb, play our game.

I vaguely remember Lorne Lanning kind of pushing against the machine but he's also a bit of a strange dude so I dunno

Edit: basically we need Matt n trey and some south park style deconstruction and obliteration
 
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Faust

Perpetually Tired
It is strange that there is literally 0 conservative or middle leaning or whatever moniker you wish to choose devs.

Like there's not even one rebellious studio or anything, it's all just radicalism.

There are a number, they just sit quietly and make games or aren't in the US. Warhorse studios fought against the idiotic BS with Kingdom Come: Deliverance. Colin Moriarty and his crew have developed a few games too.
 

StueyDuck

Member
There are a number, they just sit quietly and make games or aren't in the US. Warhorse studios fought against the idiotic BS with Kingdom Come: Deliverance. Colin Moriarty and his crew have developed a few games too.
I was gonna mention warhorse but aren't they a European team?
 

Arsic

Loves his juicy stink trail scent
I said it earlier in this thread in a different fashion but I’ll state this here:

If you choose to ignore sweet baby or companies like them, in order to “just play games” you will help ruin gaming overall and the world state.

It is impossible for me to ignore this and I try to stay out of any and all political or agenda related things.

Wolverine is a no buy for me. Any company on that list working with them on a project means a no buy from me.

This needs to be the stance anyone who comes into this thread takes after getting all the facts.
 
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Fatbody

Member
Regardless of the law, that women is pretty much untouchable, especially if her company resides in a blue area. No case will ever by brought against her, and even by some chance it did, you’d never get a jury or judge to convict. Think of it like putting a cow on trial in an Indian court.
 
It is 100% illegal. To openly state it and do that should throw her into jail.

My only question is with this clear evidence why isn’t she in jail already?
Because she is the most protected class in America today……a liberal white hating woman of color. Any attempt to question her words or try to jail her would be deemed as RACIST. Crazy but true and proves why NOTHING has happened to her after her openly racist statements.
 
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Chuck Berry

Gold Member
Wolverine is a no buy for me. Any company on that list working with them on a project means a no buy from me.

Rest assured, as we get closer to release there will be a lot of YT vids out there not necessarily telling you not to buy it, but just to make you’re aware who is behind its bullshit (namely SBI writers specifically a woman narrative director that probably has never read a comic, let alone a Wolverine comic in her fucking life).

“I know who Wolverine is. I’ve seen the X-men movies.” 🙄
 
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Unknown?

Member
I'm not sure what you're arguing? So you're not arguing against the inclusion of other races in games? Your post literally makes no sense and fix it up, it's DEI not DIE.

I watched that video, thanks for sharing. The topic itself is suffering from the Streisand effect, but the argument itself is rather pointless? Even the video you shared, the author delves into DEI politics diatribe in the second half of the video and I tuned out. I'm not a fan of DEI myself and we see time and time again the same tropes. "Black character who's gay or queer or whatever" to fill multiple checkboxes. "Asian characters who are always fighting".... Blah blah blah, the whole topic is tiring and pointless to me. Again, it's a mountain out of a mole hill. The market will self correct, it always does.

Yea, sweet baby brought this on themselves but, they can't get the user banned from steam. It's not going to work and the company should probably terminate the employee that kicked off this brouhaha because it's bad for business. In the end, it's whatever and not the least bit important to the state of gaming as a whole. At least not right now.
No, it's DIE.
 
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