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mentioned most games do run at 30fps and all the other things that you mentioned. What Im saying is at the end of the day as a gamer, consoles are so much more fun to play. From its plug n play (no drivers, no figuring out what to lower in settings to get those extra 2 fps etc). While those examples you gave are valid, me 3 meters away from my 65" cant tell and wouldnt even notice pixel peeping especially in motion. So my comment is not against PC gamers but against articles such as these that just want to shit on someones parade. DOesnt matter how outdated it gets, I dont see PC putting out games that are optimized for a hardware machine 6 years old and yet it looks as good as any modern game of today. On consoles thats is what you get, the more time they have with the hardware the more juice they get out of it and its insane what they pull out of a $400 system. You can not even get minesweeper in 4K to run on a $400 PC.
Who said I cared? What I care about is playing games at the ps5 will allow me to without spending an absolute fortune.
I have good memories with xbox classic, but I'm playing games on all platforms. If I would play just on xbox I would miss many great games on PC or playstation. But maybe I will stick to consoles next year, because the last time when I bought high end PC (8700K + 1080ti) I was playing on consoles most of the time, although I have paid 4x more for PC.This is the most grounded reply I have seen on these forums since forever. You are a high end PC guy, that follows console trends, will also buy a PS5 even though your avatar is Xbox. I raise my beer glass to you, good sir
Well if you didn't care, I don't see why you are concerned about what the average pc owner has as far as hardware specs go. You said it, not me. My whole ordeal with consoles are: they just don't have the performance I need. 30fps is a sin, and dropping below 30fps is fucking unacceptable. 60fps is barely acceptable, to me at least. The average gamer may not care, but I do and I'm willing to pay a little extra, to get a lot more performance and customization, which isn't available on consoles.
I don’t know who’s backing you on this forum, but fuck me it’s outrageous you’re allowed to get away with such ignorance while wearing a title.
Hmmm... Is he the ignorant one? Or is it the person who doesn't understand how simple things like bandwidth can affect resolution, framerate, etc, that is the ignorant one? You are right on one thing though, that most people have good enough sense to see right through it.... because the majority agree that pc's will always be ahead. Look through the first couple of pages before all the console warriors turned the thread into shit. You'll see that most people are saying "water is wet" , "isn't that oblivious?", Or "tell us something we didn't know". It's only the console warriors who are saying otherwise, without any factual data to prove otherwise.
I'm not concerned I can just talk about whatever I want. That's the point of this forum.
The only proof we have are the figures Cerny gave and the spiderman demo. The spiderman demo went from 8 seconds to 0.8 seconds. A 10x speed up, it is likely there's some minimal amount of time needed always for things like scene setup, that might mean we only see 100x loading speed ups in games with minute+ load times.
Do you think Cerny pulls figures out of a magic hat? He clearly benchmarked it somewhere, as he said the developers can see that 100x speed up not in theory but in practice.
I don't know the reason. But when I play on pc even 40+fps seems unstable and jarring. Might be frame times, or somethings. On console those 30fps almost always seem smooth like butter.
Don't insult my common sense. Obviously I was talking about games far larger than 64 GB. In the 100s. And with the openworld no loading screen system so common in games these days, this is a very likely scenario. Yeah no shit a 50 GB game can be loaded into memory.
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Meanwhile stats not too long ago showed majority oc gabers aren't even playing in 4k or wuth hdr lolIt's easy to spot someone who only games on console, and has never had an experience with pc gaming. For the majority of pc gamers, they prefer higher frame rate, over 4k resolution. I prefer 3440x1440 resolution, over 144fps on a curved ultrawide monitor with HDR >>> basic 4k hdr tv. With DLSS you get the best of all worlds, resolution, high frame rate, and raytracing.What pc version? Let me guess on the rig that 1%!of pc owners own with cross fire and titans?
60fps needs to be a standard at all costs. If consoles need to drop resolution and textures, so be it. But 60fps is bare minimum now a days, at least for a certain crowd.
I usually aim for 60 minimum on PC but I have no problem playing at a fairly stable 30fps, it's not ideal but generally i can stand it if the game is good enough and it's not too unstable.
, you can play a 30fps on PC just fine if you so wish and have a perfectly "smooth" experience if that is what you desire. It only seems janky because 90% everything about the PC defaults to at least 60fps so the sudden change to 30 in some cases seems out of place where consoles tend to have lower expectations.It seems most console players prefer that stop animation framerate, and anything above that is a bad thing. I've seen countless people on here say that 60fps is not needed, unless it's a fps. That mentality is beyond ridiculous, and toxic to the gaming community as a whole. I can't see how someone can prefer low framerate to high framerate, regardless of type of game.I usually aim for 60 minimum on PC but I have no problem playing at a fairly stable 30fps, it's not ideal but generally i can stand it if the game is good enough and it's not too unstable.
It's just bothers me with this myth that 30fps is better on consoles than PC, especially when you look back at said 30fps game and discover it wasn't even a locked 30fps game in the first place, it fluctuated wildly but yeah console smooth
I might do a few videos of gameplay with solid 30fps across various games.
yep, pretty unimpressive dude
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Well why don't console gamers stop bitching about 30fps or 60fps. When games can't keep up with 30fps, of course people are going to bitch on console.
Look, if your avatar name is true in its claim, I am not going to argue with you over specifics as that is not my field of knowledge. I get what you are saying, same as me in my photography field, I know what is a quality photo for retouching while someone else out there thinks an iphone photo is good enough with limited pixels and jpeg format. Obviously consoles are not works of magic for only $400. Specifically as
Also im pretty sure you dont have a beefy PC just because of gaming but because of your work. Same as I do my iMac that is specked out for large image files and editing. I personally know more PC gamer friends than console ones and they always talk big against consoles but to me you cant make those claims as in facts only if you dont have the actual hardware to run as you are saying the PC can. Thats my gripe because majority ends up still playing 1080P with medium textures and shadows off but then they come here and say how PC is so much better. Its amazing if you want to spit out $3000, but console gaming at its price point is awesome because I never felt "oh man I really think my PS4 Pro is so outdated, cant wait for next gen hardware". A PC at $500 after 6 months Id be considering something new again.
So because
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knows his shit, and because some may not like his standpoint (which is an absolute fact), you wanna discredit him? Let's take for example of technology and the way it moves. We have the Rtx 3xxx series coming out this year. The 2080 TI, and other current cards will demolish next-gen consoles. Why would the 3xxx series not continue the trend? More or less, wouldn't the 4xxx series not release upon console midcycle, and further dominate consoles, yet again? Do some people believe that consoles are the only next gen systems?!It's well known that pc hardware will outperform console hardware. I did not attempt to dispute that fact. Now, what percentage of the population would have access to that hardware, that's a completely different debate all together.So because
So because
You do realize you don't need more than an average spec computer to get more than double the framerate of consoles, right? It's the higher end pc's that have quadruple the framerate of consoles, and then some. The amount of people doesn't matter, as anyone who doesn't rely on government payouts, can easily build a more than decent desktop. Maybe if you realized that already, you would not be talking about the population of pc gamers and what they own.
I have no interest in participating in a consoles vs pc debate with you or anyone else for that matter. It's a low IQ discussion that yields no rewards and it's a waste of my time. With that, I'm out of this thread.
It's only low iq when you have nothing to add or counter an argument. If you have anything to add to the discussion, it's more than welcomed. If you accept the fact, that's about end of story. But let me not stop you from commenting. It's a forum after all, you can add anything you want.
You have successfully baited me into a final reply. Its low IQ because its a discussion focused on disputing a well known fact. Arguing about this topic is borderline idiotic in the same vein that arguing against the existence of gravity is idiotic. This thread should have been immediately locked for being entirely pointless. It is why I refuse to be drawn into such a stupid discussion. Feel free to continue to participate but expect to do so without any further replies from me.
