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The Sequel Trilogy Remains Canon - Daisy Ridley returning as Rey in a new Star Wars movie
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Astral Dog
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I don't care about Star Wars anymore
Kev Kev
Member
Christ almighty dude, pump the brakes.
No, I don't see it that way. They are fun movies with some drama, action, comedy, lightsabers and space dogfights. There are also some more mature themes mixed in there too, like oppression, rebellion, revenge and political ideologies. It's fine. They aren't 10/10 across the board and they probably aren't going win any awards, but it's not "fucking your childhood heroes". What a ridiculous thing to say.
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Flintty
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People always shit on the recent trilogy but it's just history repeating. The same happened with the prequel trilogy back in the day but that now regarded highly (especially by those who grew up with it being 'their' Star Wars. The same will happen with the Rise of Skywalker trilogy.
I'm fairly easy going and actually enjoyed most of the new trilogy despite it's flaws, just as I enjoyed the prequel trilogy at the time. I'm sure I'll enjoy the new stuff, especially if they carry on with how they've done Mando.
Edit: Cautious however, because of the director. I didn't make it past episode one of Ms Marvel, that shit just wasn't for me. And this “I spent the better part of my lifetime meeting real heroes who are overcoming oppressive regimes and battling impossible odds, and I think that’s the heart of Star Wars,” rings massive alarm bells. Just have to wait and see.
I'm fairly easy going and actually enjoyed most of the new trilogy despite it's flaws, just as I enjoyed the prequel trilogy at the time. I'm sure I'll enjoy the new stuff, especially if they carry on with how they've done Mando.
Edit: Cautious however, because of the director. I didn't make it past episode one of Ms Marvel, that shit just wasn't for me. And this “I spent the better part of my lifetime meeting real heroes who are overcoming oppressive regimes and battling impossible odds, and I think that’s the heart of Star Wars,” rings massive alarm bells. Just have to wait and see.
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Madflavor
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Nah the Sequel Trilogy sucked copious amounts of fucking dick, and they did ruin the OT characters, but no one can stop you from liking them.
The big differences between the PT and the ST are two things:
1. The PT had a cohesive story and vision. The ST didn't know what it was trying to be and constantly changed course with every film.
2. The PT did an exceptional job world building. The ST did not.
The PT aren't good movies, but they built a foundation that allowed other creators to build off the universe George created. Because of the PT we got good Star Wars stories and material. The Sequels barely created anything new. They just repeated the OT but with less interesting characters. Just because people hated the PT in the past and have warmed up to them a bit now, doesn't mean history will repeat with the ST. If anything the ST shone more of a light on the things the PT did right.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
How old are you because I'm 50 and fuck Star Wars.
Flintty
Member
I don't disagree. My 15 year old son, who I introduced to SW as a birth right, fucking hates the new trilogy. So I don't know exactly who they were catering for lol. Most complaints are reasonable, but no doubt people younger than him will grow up with fond memories nonetheless. Edit: Which I guess will be the ultimate test of the trilogy. If nobody cares for it in 10-20 years, they really fucked it.
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Madflavor
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My whole deal is that if the Sequel Trilogy just plain sucked, then no big deal I'll just move on and forget. It's the fact that it tarnished the OT that made me so upset. I'm just gonna drop a quote from Reddit that was posted after the Rey movie was announced, because it sums up a lot of people's feelings much better than I can:
"They also set the precedent that decades of story building, character building, and world building can be undone whenever they want to make more money. The sequel trilogy informed us that our original heroes from the first six movies DID NOT actually defeat the empire and it felt like such a kick in the face. We grew up with six movies of varying quality, but with a unified message and goal: defeat the Sith, defeat the Empire, restore hope.
We quickly find out that instead:
- Luke did not succeed in returning the Jedi, nor did he spend his life as a beacon of hope for the galaxy.
- Leia did not succeed in building a principled government to replace the fascist empire.
- Han did not successfully put his smuggling past behind him enough to become a leader or a father.
- Anakin/Vader did not actually destroy Palpatine.
Flintty
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Yep, I can't argue with any of that. We can only hope they learned from their mistakes, though it's sad that they can't be undone. Mandalorian, for me, is the best SW content for years, so it gives me hope. But Disney will always be Disney...
ManaByte
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March Climber
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Remember when they managed to get the crew from The Raid: Redemption and managed to put them in an entirely forgetful scene with Han Solo and waste their time?
Tams
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She's such a wooden actress.
I'm out.
As for PT Vs. ST:
The PT did do fantastic world building. And the actors were mostly good, some even great. The script was terrible though, dire even in places (making great actors look terrible).
The ST built almost nothing and just reused, reused, rehashed. The writing was all over the place. The scripts were better than the PT, but most of the actors were mediocre at best and had the boring stories to work with.
I'm out.
As for PT Vs. ST:
The PT did do fantastic world building. And the actors were mostly good, some even great. The script was terrible though, dire even in places (making great actors look terrible).
The ST built almost nothing and just reused, reused, rehashed. The writing was all over the place. The scripts were better than the PT, but most of the actors were mediocre at best and had the boring stories to work with.
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gaming_again
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lol just lol I was like lol
I just don’t understand any of this anymore.
The new ones might make the prequels look better but they are still total and utter shite. I retry them every few years just to make sure.
I just don’t understand any of this anymore.
The new ones might make the prequels look better but they are still total and utter shite. I retry them every few years just to make sure.
Gp1
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And even with these premisses they could have delivered better movies. Much of content of the original expanded universe revolves around it.
Leia failing to implement a new "galactic order" eg. imho was always the most probable thing to happen, give that the galaxy is huge and the alliance was a bunch of ragtag soldiers in a "single base". They Aliance cut the head of the snake, of course a power struggle of some sort would happen.
The main problem was that they simply didn't have the structure of these 3 films before starting shooting. The "new trilogy" was not conceived as trilogy.
That's why a RJ can YOLO in the script of the Ep.8 and JJ passes the first half of EP.9 simply undoing Th Ep.8.
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
I remember when I used to get up early on a Saturday and stick on A New Hope...
Man them was good times.
Man them was good times.
daffyduck
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Teletraan1
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2 of the 9 main movies in this series are good. The rest vary from OK to complete shit.
Artoris
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There is another
LaughingStock
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They should use Finn instead of Rey.
I mean, I wouldn't watch it either way. I just think he is a more interesting character and they done him dirty in the sequel trilogy.
I mean, I wouldn't watch it either way. I just think he is a more interesting character and they done him dirty in the sequel trilogy.
PaddyOCanager
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The prequel trilogy was never good and it hasn't aged any better. Stop saying the films are now highly regarded - they are not. Nearly everyone acknowledges they aren't good films - RotS is the only contentious one and it's average at best.
The prequels did spawn good subsequent content to the Star Wars universe, so most people are now less harsh on the films themselves. However, the only universally regarded aspect of the films is their music. It is S tier.
The prequels did spawn good subsequent content to the Star Wars universe, so most people are now less harsh on the films themselves. However, the only universally regarded aspect of the films is their music. It is S tier.
Jinzo Prime
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The damage the sequel trilogy has done to the original characters cannot be understated. It broke up Han an Leia, turned their son on to a patricidal/genocidal maniac, turned Luke into an abusive uncle and complete failure, undid Anikin's final act of salvation, and finally killed the entire OG cast off, one by one.
Whoever made these decisions hated Star Wars, because no one who loved it would have made anything like the sequel trilogy.
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Trilobit
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Madflavor
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Even if they write her much better this time around, it's not going to fix the fact that her character hijacked Luke's story. Not only that but she was the one to truly defeat Palpatine, not Anakin. It's these things that make the character of Rey truly irredeemable and not worth revisiting her.
Ownage
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I thought he was arrested.
Flintty
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Except they are highly regarded by many of the youngsters who grew up with it, despite how you feel about them. You're right in that they weren't great movies and for sure, there were some failings on Lucas' part, but they did what they were supposed to in expanding the story and the universe and most importantly, getting a younger generation on board. Do you think they'd be making SW films if it was only us old bastards watching it, with our numbers dwindling every year?
I actually liked the prequels, especially Phantom Menace and RotS. They'll never be as good as the OT, but they're good enough. Conversely, my youngest son counts AotC as one of his favourites because of the large scale ground battle with the Clones.
Tams
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Bar the script, they are pretty good films though.
The sequels have a mediocre script and some great CGI going for them. That's all.
Neither have great writing (not script), but at least the prequels' is coherent and tries to add to the universe and story, not rehash it almost scene for scene.
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Gp1
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Revenge of the Sith looks like Citizen Kane when you compare it with Ep9.
Ps. Attack of the clones is equally bad as episode 8/9 BUT at least it moves the story in the same direction to Episode 3.
What a waste of a good actress. I liked TFA, but this utter lack of interest in effective world building that was then rushed for the final film is so bad.
It's like we all celebrate when SW gets in the hands of folks other than LUCAS - and then they just amplify his worst tendencies in the other direction with creatives who know how to tell a good yarn, but don't really know SW.
I also like this idea that all you need are powerful parents (hell the original trilogy did this too) and somehow you're able to become the greatest of all time. I guess this is nepotism in action.
. . . also is the prequels are canon, fair game that the other weak side is as well.
It's like we all celebrate when SW gets in the hands of folks other than LUCAS - and then they just amplify his worst tendencies in the other direction with creatives who know how to tell a good yarn, but don't really know SW.
I also like this idea that all you need are powerful parents (hell the original trilogy did this too) and somehow you're able to become the greatest of all time. I guess this is nepotism in action.
. . . also is the prequels are canon, fair game that the other weak side is as well.
Tams
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We got the big clone - droid battle, and frankly that alone does enough to redeem it for most people.
For the sequels' the equivalent was... a long arse space chase, Space Jesus Leia, a poor attempt at an alien world, and a laughable attempt to set up further stories with those kids.
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Laptop1991
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I watched 2 of them and didn't like them or the prequel's at the time, still a fan of the original trilogy, although i do like The Mandalorion, i'm not as into Star Wars as i was years ago and don't expect them to be good or stick to the lore anymore, not with Disney in charge, so she is getting more work that's great, i'll wait and see the reception the film gets.
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Nankatsu
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I guess for me Star Wars is almost dead. The amazing universe and setting from years before is adapting too much to the new generation and because of that is being ruined. It's just too childish and kiddy nowadays.
Movies are boring, series are becoming more and more boring...
What remains, with a few hope on that, are videogames, I guess.
Movies are boring, series are becoming more and more boring...
What remains, with a few hope on that, are videogames, I guess.
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When the first prequel came out it confirmed for me, after watching RotJ following ESB on the original opening day in my town in the 80s, the storytelling wasn't going to mature with me.
After letting go of any expectations of being the target audience I enjoy watching the shows for insight into how it's intricacies are changed for those it's intended. Midichlorians? Wizard.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
I watched the prequels didn't care for them and pretty much forgot about Star Wars until The Force Awakens. I watched it realized it was a rehash of A New Hope and said fuck this I'm out. Didn't bother watching the other 2 sequels.
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wipeout364
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Rei was a terrible character with essentially no development, I don’t blame Daisy Ridley for that but frankly I have no desire to see that character carry on.
The series as a whole would have been far better to allow Rei to die in the final scenes and move on to Kylo Ren as the main character as he actually has some depth/conflict to his character which would make for a far more interesting protagonist going forward.
The series as a whole would have been far better to allow Rei to die in the final scenes and move on to Kylo Ren as the main character as he actually has some depth/conflict to his character which would make for a far more interesting protagonist going forward.
None of Marvel/Star Wars movies of the past 20 years were actually great
Decent at most, while many of the better ones were passable at best but you gave em BILLIONS.
Latest movie with Ray as a lead got BILLION in the box office and it is the worst piece of shit ever put to screen.
You kept paying them for decades to make crap n now surprised that it is all they can produce...
There is no suprise though.
Decent at most, while many of the better ones were passable at best but you gave em BILLIONS.
Latest movie with Ray as a lead got BILLION in the box office and it is the worst piece of shit ever put to screen.
You kept paying them for decades to make crap n now surprised that it is all they can produce...
There is no suprise though.
Fuz
Banned
Ok. I have a silly opinion about something. Tell me if I'm crazy or I'm into something here.
When I saw the trailer for the sequel, my first thought was that they chose an actress unbelievably pretty.
My second though was that... she was beautiful but also... kind of not attractive.
And... was that by design? Did Disney casting personnel set out to find the most "innocuous", least tantalizing actress possible?
When I saw the trailer for the sequel, my first thought was that they chose an actress unbelievably pretty.
My second though was that... she was beautiful but also... kind of not attractive.
And... was that by design? Did Disney casting personnel set out to find the most "innocuous", least tantalizing actress possible?
TrebleShot
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Is this episode 10 then?
The last one was kind of a parody and the series have been getting progressively devoid of all creativity or skill.
Just like marvel.
Pure trash.
The last one was kind of a parody and the series have been getting progressively devoid of all creativity or skill.
Just like marvel.
Pure trash.
Flintty
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Not entirely, especially from a Marvel POV. I rank the Captain America trilogy ((in isolation) as one of the best trilogies made over the past 20, maybe even 30 years. Infinity War and Endgame were also spectacular, a cinematic moment we were lucky to see unfold as it happened. Without the movies leading up to that moment, they wouldn't have been as impactful. Admittedly not every Marvel film was great, some were pretty poor actually. But the bigger picture, they nailed it. Post Endgame though, yeah, a massive drop off (I won't get into reasons here). But before that, I strongly disagree with you saying Marvel movies were passable. Most were excellent at being both world building for the bigger picture and standalone popcorn flicks.
Batiman
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Ya she’s really pretty but not Megan Fox type hot. I do think it’s somewhat on purpose. Fits in with most SW characters. I always thought Hayden was too good looking to be Anakin. Luke was never the most attractive man or greatest actor but I feel he was perfect looking back.
I think Oscar Isaac did a perfect job with his role. I feel like he even dumbed down his acting skills to get that campy/cheesy dialogue that fits perfect with the franchise. He didn’t turn out as the greatest character in the end but I liked what he did with the role. He embraced that over the top SW dialogue.
Yeah. That was my point.
You will treat ugly postmodern crap like Endgame that was written by jumping bare ass on the scanner machine like an actual movie...even worse....like "cinematic moment we were lucky to see unfold".
And Disney gets it.
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FullMetalx117
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Prequel trilogy is what I grew up with and RotS is probably my favorite Star Wars movie (or tied with Rogue One). People hate on the corny dialogue which I agree should be made fun of but if you get past that, you can really appreciate what they do well. People have already mentioned this, but the world building is unmatched. Think about the amount of worlds, aliens, lore the prequel trilogy introduced. Star Wars came alive - the best games, books, tv shows, etc use the PT as their foundation. The sequel trilogy suffer from a similar problem as the OT - imo they both feel like empty universes, with a little tiny cat fight going on in the corner of space, the rest of the galaxy could care less about. They just seem insignificant looking back because the world building isn’t there. TFA was a great setup for stakes but 8 and 9 really made the conflict seem small and trivial.
Whenever I think about the ST, all I can think about is Finn constantly screaming Rey. Hopefully they off that character, very annoying.
Whenever I think about the ST, all I can think about is Finn constantly screaming Rey. Hopefully they off that character, very annoying.
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Hoya Destroyer
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Seems crazy to me. Daisy might be a nice lady, but I thought her SW character was widely disliked.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
I had high hopes with The Force Awakens, and i enjoyed it and how it ended. To me, the sequel trilogy took a massive shit once The Last Jedi came out and made Luke into an uncaring hermit which was 100% against how he was in IV-VI. Once Rise Of Skywalker came out, i feel they did the best they could considering how bad Episode 8 clusterfucked everything.
I enjoyed the fact that Palpatine somehow survived and seeing his character again, but i didn't really care for HOW they did it. As far as Daisy carrying on again rebuilding the Jedi, we'll see.....
I enjoyed the fact that Palpatine somehow survived and seeing his character again, but i didn't really care for HOW they did it. As far as Daisy carrying on again rebuilding the Jedi, we'll see.....
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Not interested
Sequel Trilogy sucked
Sequel Trilogy sucked
Randy Solo
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Disney star wars is limp. Like my cock.
Doczu
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Yeah but with enough work your cock can stand on it's own, the ST not so much.
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Randy Solo
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No matter how hard I try, it just flops. Star wars might just stand a chance yet. Just needs proper motivation.