I love that society has to create order where there is none...it's much easier to say "this bastard planned it" rather than admitting the truth: very little is planned and we are all just making it up as we go along.
Chaos rules.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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I love that society has to create order where there is none...it's much easier to say "this bastard planned it" rather than admitting the truth: very little is planned and we are all just making it up as we go along.
Chaos rules.
OriginalThinking
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They don't? Scotland has a large population of Eastern European migrants. Or are you referring to refugees rather than immigrants?
Source: Am Scottish, live in the second largest city in Scotland, have lived and worked with economic migrants.
Kill Your Masters
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The EU will also want the best deal possible, while having the upper hand in the negotiations. But good luck anyway with your fantasy demands.
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Fuck me. Saying something over and over doesn't make it true. Unless you're the Daily Express/Mail, in which case, it absolutely does.
accel
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There is still a balance in the middle. Tilted in favor of EU, sure, but a balance nonetheless. It's far from "take all of our existing terms or there is no deal" with UK signing, no deal at all means losses for both EU and UK.
He did not say with the EU though! did you notice that, could be a tactic to hit the EU with.....we have good excellent deals with other countries, so we don't need free trade anymore
Norwegian_Imposter
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And Gwynedd. Bangor university alumni here wooo
Alx
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How is Wales btw ? It's the only part of UK I've never visited, and I was always curious to do it. With the low pound it could actually be a good opportunity.
I wonder how long conservative politicians will be able to hold immigration above free trade while everyone of their business partners will require them to shut up with the immigration thing and get free trade.
Strange. Leave claimed it could not negotiate trade deals while inside the European Union as one of the reasons they should leave.
ferrasvansen
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That would be financial suicide, suddenly losing access to 44% of your export market would end UK as a viable economy.
Palculator
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I know GAF keeps saying it wont happen, but this is now everyone (except May) who has now said immigration must be controlled as part of any deal...
so it is happening, but it is just we don't know what they will get, and I get it it I do, GAF want the EU to screw the UK to the floor, but we are a strong country, we are not Norway or Switzerland...and I have said it lots, there will be a deal done where we control immigration and get a excellent trade deal, it will be worded so both teams feel the won...that is politics
PJV3
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John Kerry said this.
He said the British prime minister felt powerless to start negotiating a thing that he doesnt believe in and has no idea how he would do it.
Apparently referring to Boris Johnson, one of the frontrunners to replace Cameron, Kerry added: And by the way, nor do most of the people who voted to do it.
You're faith is misplaced, they don't know what they are doing.
I was abroad when the results were breaking and had to follow along with it on my phone.
When I got home I received this message:
Talk about adding insult to injury
Feel at home has nothing to do with EU.
It only includes a handful of EU countries rather than all i.e Austria, Finland, France, Italy, Denmark, Spain and Ireland. And has non EU countries like Norway and Switzerland as well.
It also works (and has before it even started in Europe) in other countries outside of Europe altogether i.e. USA, Hong Kong, Australia, Macau, Indonesia, New Zeland, Sri Lanka, Israel.
It won't change regardless of Britain being in EU or Schengen or out.
accel
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Before Brexit (well, before actually exiting), all deals had to be made with the EU. Some of the deals UK wanted were stopped / delayed continuously. There's no surprise, no contradiction.
I agree, and he is not leader at all, and wont win...so in reality he can say a load of shit really
You actually sound like Donald Trump. Seriously.
And I don't know why I bother doing this, as every time someone does you just ignore it, but :
1) we are insignificant compared to the EU in size. We will always come second place in the queue compared to them.
2) we traded more with Lichenstein than we do India. The world is not begging us to leave the EU and start shipping them our cakes.
3) We Literally have no capacity to make trade deals. Literally. They are *incredibly* hard and require massive amounts of expertise. We don't have that, and haven't for decades. Meanwhile, our brightest and best civil servants are currently trying to figure out the impossible and disentangle us from the EU.
This ridiculous fiction that the EU has been holding us back from a bounty of amazing trade deals is completely bananas and contrary to every piece of evidence we have. It's nuts. It is gambling away my future and the future of our children on a fever dream of nationalistic idiocy.
But they also lose 44% of the United Kingdom with Scotland, Northern Ireland, Gibraltar and Falklands so it works out.
If that is the case, then the United Kingdom still can't as they are still in the European Union...
Phantast2k
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EU to UK apparently: You get NOTHING
Well, not quite nothing, but:
@b_judah
Have been running around the City of London last few days. Here's an update.
Merkel and Brussels have outright already refused an EEA+ agreement that gives UK migration control, passporting and single market access.
What is passporting? All banks registered in UK have a "passport" that allows them to do business with whole EU. The City depends on it.
Base case is Berlin and Brussels plan to insist on an EEA- (i.e. a worse deal than Norway) that excludes passporting, migration controls.
This would however allow services to continue to have access to the singoe market. But not financial services. Mass migration continues.
This is formal offer. But Paris is planning a turn of cynical brilliance - that could at a stroke smite London and restore Paris to glory.
France cynicallly intends to offer Britain an EEA- that excludes passporting, but givs them a migration cap, and single market access.
This is a brilliant move: "you get less Poles, but we want your banks." It would be in France's interests to encourage UK out to get banks.
This would leave some stuff shirt like Crabb in a disastrous position: Paris and Berlin would have handed him a deal only "bad for bankers."
But the cynical French deal would be exactly the kind of cap migration, free movement for us and single market deal that the public want.
The next Tory muchkin leader would then be a hideous position: have his tax base slasshed at by loss of banks as his voters rejoice.
Paris and Frankfurt would emerge as enormous winners by ending passporting. Hugely boosting popularity of French and German leadership.
/British public will be left moronically clapping the huge triumph of a few less Poles and the punishment for "bankers" and tax base slashed.
//City analysts I met look with unbrindled distain on a Tory leadership class they think are simply muppets. No clue what's about to hit them.
Well, not quite nothing, but:
@b_judah
Have been running around the City of London last few days. Here's an update.
Merkel and Brussels have outright already refused an EEA+ agreement that gives UK migration control, passporting and single market access.
What is passporting? All banks registered in UK have a "passport" that allows them to do business with whole EU. The City depends on it.
Base case is Berlin and Brussels plan to insist on an EEA- (i.e. a worse deal than Norway) that excludes passporting, migration controls.
This would however allow services to continue to have access to the singoe market. But not financial services. Mass migration continues.
This is formal offer. But Paris is planning a turn of cynical brilliance - that could at a stroke smite London and restore Paris to glory.
France cynicallly intends to offer Britain an EEA- that excludes passporting, but givs them a migration cap, and single market access.
This is a brilliant move: "you get less Poles, but we want your banks." It would be in France's interests to encourage UK out to get banks.
This would leave some stuff shirt like Crabb in a disastrous position: Paris and Berlin would have handed him a deal only "bad for bankers."
But the cynical French deal would be exactly the kind of cap migration, free movement for us and single market deal that the public want.
The next Tory muchkin leader would then be a hideous position: have his tax base slasshed at by loss of banks as his voters rejoice.
Paris and Frankfurt would emerge as enormous winners by ending passporting. Hugely boosting popularity of French and German leadership.
/British public will be left moronically clapping the huge triumph of a few less Poles and the punishment for "bankers" and tax base slashed.
//City analysts I met look with unbrindled distain on a Tory leadership class they think are simply muppets. No clue what's about to hit them.
ferrasvansen
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Just one thing wrong with that, if EU gives UK anything remotely decent every EU country will be heading for the exit.
FlammableD
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They can say it all they want, they won't get it
shinra-bansho
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I mean, that's partly the point though. The local dip is big and divergent from the more multinational firms on the 100. Moves earlier in the year mirrored global economic concerns. The current state of the 250 reflects the pressing local risks posed by Brexit.
I don't know whether the actual consequences of an actual exit haven't been priced in yet. The "leaders" of the Conservative government don't seem to have a clear timeline for triggering Article 50. The assumption may be an EEA type arrangement, which would not be economically disastrous. There isn't full clarity on whether the UK would keep bank passporting. Etc.
Today the 100 has essentially recovered to per-referendum. The 250 is still significantly down. And certain sectors in particular. (This without considering the fall in the pound.)
Absolutely. If I cut my finger and you cut off your hand, it will be painful for both of us. Just, you know, a wee bit more painful for you. The UK is much more economcially dependent on the remaining EU than vice versa.
Some parts of Wales are breathtakingly beautiful, a bit like the Scottish highlands. All around Breacon Beacons and Snowdonia. Then you have stunning beaches too. Plus if you like driving then it has epic roads (google 'EVO Triangle). Cardiff is reasonably metropolitan with the large student population. It's a bit grim though, not a particularly pretty place & a night out there at the weekend is carnage. Places like Swansea in the south of Wales are pretty run down and really suffering. Then there's the famous 'valleys', which my Welsh friends who grew up in Cardiff find a source of endless amusement. Think the UK-equivalent of red-neck/inbred stereotypes and you're not far off
ferrasvansen
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Yeah makes sense, cannot see him ever getting close to winning.
Frankfurter
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Jimbob Smalls
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Yes, which then get exacerbated. Poorer areas already struggling socially have to deal with new problems. A veritable tipping point for some.
What do you think prompted Three to introduce Feel at Home? It didn't exist before the clamp down on roaming fees
SymbiantXenos
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You're sill living in a dreamworld.
PJV3
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Our closest ally is calling us clueless.
I don't ignore it, but what am I suppose to say to that? yep your right you will be 100% correct?
is that what you want to hear? I am not ignoring you when I feel a deal will be done, that is called disagreeing with you....and until we actually hear what deal we get no one knows
The bolded is the exact current doodles on the UK Governments notepad
They scribbled out the rest of your post as silly.
Kill Your Masters
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Haha I swear to god I was just about to post the same sentence while reading his response just before scrolling down and seeing your post.
accel
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They can't strike any deals yet, yes, but they can be working to prepare them when UK exits. That's what Crabb says, if I understand him correctly, it makes sense.
I'd use a different analogy, but this one would do as well. Yes, that's how things are.
yep, but I also believed (up until the last polls where I caved) that we would win the referendum, and I was called delusional for that
Camp Freddie
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Seconded.
Just buy Irn-Bru and stick some cheap blended whiskey in it. That fuelled my hangovers throughout my university years.
This reads like a Trump parody post.
Frankfurter
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The FTSE 100 may have recovered in pound-terms, but the pound has lost tons of value in the past couple of days.
Funky Papa
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This would be absolute fuckery.
I mean, I'm sure that things won't be that bad once everything is said and done, but there's also no doubt in my mind that France is frothing at the mouth, even more so than Germany.
There's also a lot of political pressure to move the financial capital to Europe as ways to prevent Germany from amassing way too much power. Couple that with France's own nationalism and a political class that never forgot the ages long feud with the UK, and you have a turd stew going, baby.
SymbiantXenos
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There will be no deal without excepting what the eu is and stands for.
It really isn't a hard concept to grasp.
At all.
Jimbob Smalls
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I'm going to take the Polish out of it because I personally find them to be mostly great, but the last batch of Eastern Europeans to arrive aren't generally exactly the most liberal minded bunch either.
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