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More like the Tory party were always a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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More like the Tory party were always a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Well, since 52% followed him, yeah, we believe, that he represents most of the UK.
Europe has previously supported declarations of independence, and referendums organized without consent by the country to which the region belonged. Countries rarely become independent with permission.
Palculator
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The differences in voting results in different age groups is interesting.
That together with the fact that the total differences between the leave and remain votes were so little, I can't believe the UK is going with this.
It makes no sense. Whether or not leaving the EU is a good decision or not, the decision is mostly important for the future of the UK, and the future of the UK voted for a different outcome than this.
Seems odd.
That together with the fact that the total differences between the leave and remain votes were so little, I can't believe the UK is going with this.
It makes no sense. Whether or not leaving the EU is a good decision or not, the decision is mostly important for the future of the UK, and the future of the UK voted for a different outcome than this.
Seems odd.
accel
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Wow, I don't think anyone wants to go there. Supporting Scotland's independence without asking UK, really??? It's downright scary.
Being negative to illustrate what the country is in for if the a50 button gets pushed is the only thing that can save your arse right now.
You are about to witness the biggest economic war game of your lifetime.
If we Leave, by the time all the paperwork gets done, there'll be more alive Remain voters than Leavers. That's a bitter pill.
Elaugaufein
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The old fashioned way was to raise an army / mob and kill / exile anyone who objected.
It would be more scary for England to effectively take away the Scottish governmental powers.
The problem with it is, Cameron didn't have the foresight to put any clauses on the vote, like it requiring a significant majority, or something along those lines.
He just used it as a bargaining chip to get UKIP voters on his side for the GE, and didn't give it a great deal of thought outside of that.
travisbickle
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Didn't Juncker make a statement a couple of days ago that "back door" discussions won't happen?
nature boy
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Best for them is keep them in single market, strip the UK of power.
All votes count the same, this is the bedrock of democracy. You can't start cherry picking all of the sudden. The question should be now, why those people vote this way and what can the government and society do. Nobody wants to vote for a possible good future, if their present is shit right now.
Do you have examples of when Europe has done that?
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Europe won't meddle into the whole Scottish mess, other than *maybe* stablishing a very early, extremely provisional framework for admittance in the event of a declaration of independence.
Supporting Scotland's independence before its formal declaration would be contrary to its principles and would probably result in even more complex negotiations, not to mention that both France and Spain could rightfully throw a fit since they also have issues separatist issues. The EU was conceived as a force if stabilisation, not the contrary.
Supporting Scotland's independence before its formal declaration would be contrary to its principles and would probably result in even more complex negotiations, not to mention that both France and Spain could rightfully throw a fit since they also have issues separatist issues. The EU was conceived as a force if stabilisation, not the contrary.
Bobnob
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Out of interest, how many other MEP's are so called "fuctards" from the EU mebership, is it just our MEPs or does this happen often.
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After seeing the John Oliver pre-Brexit Video, I have to believe he actually held back here!
Frankfurter
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No, I don't think so. This situation creates uncertainty, both in the UK (to a huge extent) and the EU (to a lesser, but nevertheless significant extent). Uncertainty tends to delay investment, therefore making this a bad situation for everyone. Frankfurt or Paris might profit from this situation, but I don't think it'll help France or Germany overall.
"We recognise Scotland as the continuity UK and confer to Scotland the UK's continuing membership of the EU, the rest of that fucking island can do one into the middle of the Atlantic"
Quelle surprise
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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One way for labour to regain the Scottish vote is to offer a second referendum.
Yes. But Juncker, Tusk, Hollande, Merkel will tremble for the might that is the Holy Britannian Empire.
Kosovo most recently for an independence declaration without support of the parent country. It also set the terms for Montenegrin independence referendum showing what kind of majority a Scottish referendum would need to get.
accel
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It's much more complex.
In the short term everyone loses a bit. In the long term it's too hard to tell what will happen, too many moving parts.
BibiMaghoo
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If you think 52% of anything counts as most of it, then you are no brighter than Farage.
Me neither. They're going to chase after a base that has gone to UKIP instead of building a new one. They'll elect some wanker who says the magic words: "Tough on immigration".
They don't have a Tony Blair figure who can reinvent the party and seem "Prime Ministerial" (can eat a sandwich with dignity).
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
EdwardTeach
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Good article on the effect of bankers leaving
Potentially billions lost in tax revenue. Obviously this only considers tax effect, in reality loads of other industries are dependent on having high spenders around e.g restaurants, bars, and the arts (art galleries, theatre, opera, ballet etc).
Potentially billions lost in tax revenue. Obviously this only considers tax effect, in reality loads of other industries are dependent on having high spenders around e.g restaurants, bars, and the arts (art galleries, theatre, opera, ballet etc).
Incredible.
Please tell me that is from Viz.
nature boy
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It's a trade-off. This could bring some change into the EU but it loses some of its power.
Maybe, just maybe, the older generation who voted to leave did so from the life experience of having seen pre and post EU and, gasp, had the future generations best interest in mind.
Also, welcome to democracy.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Brexit is going to play a number on the Spanish economy, since we'll lose heaps of British tourists just as the country becomes a net contributor. We are in for a bit of hurt.
firehawk12
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Is it at all possible for Scotland to both remain in the UK and in the EU separate from the UK?
Even Cameron just said that it would be difficult to have proper negotiations until they know more of their situation regarding the single market.
I honestly doubt it.
Scaramanger
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In the telegraph though, message will not get through to the right people.
Joining this conversation late but in despair as I watch my and my wife's future crash around us.
C'est la vie, at least we've got democracy right?! I guess this schadenfreude for what happened to the miners.......
You can't be wise enough to do a comparison like that, while also being dumb enough to think the UK exists in a vacuum where all that's changed is EU membership in the last 50 years.
It literally means most of it, which is the whole problem of the situation!
All the people, who didn't vote, are even worst then everybody else.
Why do people keep saying this? I hate it too, but 52% is undeniably a majority.
People have mentioned the precedent of Denmark and Greenland but not sure how that happened or the details of how it's similar or different from this.
But German cars.
Bobnob
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Please explain ?
accel
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Yes, see Denmark which is in EU but has parts that aren't. It's very compex though so if anything like that was to happen, it's probably not the right time.
Expected.
With this now confirmed and crystal clear, and the stripping of the entire London Financial hub on the card please GOD set the stage for a second ref
Ardenyal
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Uhh... He was directly elected to represent the people of United Kingdom in the European parliament.
This seems... huge?
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