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The UK votes to leave the European Union |OUT2| Mayday, Mayday, I've lost an ARM
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Sure, they also have no say and no voting rights. I don't think London would like this deal.
Yes, they planned to have people accept jobs in Monday then quit on Wednesday.
This was not planned. Whilst some people in it have clearly been out to get Jeremy from the start, the vast majority of MPs doing this are doing so because they are facing electoral Armageddon and he betrayed the party over Europe. We know that nearly a third of traditional labour voters will refuse to vote for Jeremy in a general election, and they just watched him deliberately undermine a key plan of the Labour Party platform.
If remain had won this wouldn't be happening now. For goodness sakes they didn't even challenge Ed despite the fact he was doomed and everyone knew it. Labour hates to take out leaders. The sheer scale of Jeremy's incompetence at leading a party plus the deliberate failure over Europe was too much.
formasymphonic
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This legitimately needs an infographic to show how much of a shit show this all is.
It's also not a coincidence that it's taking place shortly before the Chilcot Inquiry is due to report.
The main thing to remember about the 'fact' that in the eyes of many Corbyn has been ineffective, was that the majority of press coverage of the referendum was focused on Cameron, Johnson and Farage. I didn't see bugger all during the campaign from Tim Fallon either, but apparently he did okay.
Reams you say? Please post away. Funny I haven't seen, just reams of innuendo and speculation.
For the record, I don't have any particular strong feelings towards Corbyn, but I do think the New Labour remnants are a shower of arseholes. Enemy of my enemy, etc.
Here we go.gif
The spin will be glorious
How about my post at the top of this page?
Also, it says it all that you are still hung up on fighting "New Labour remnants" rather than the Tories and UKIP who have just wrecked the country.
If only Shakespeare was still around to make a play out if this
cormack12
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Bombs dropped. The fallout from this will be insane. The front pages of several papers will be interesting come tomorrow and the weekend.
At this rate it will a welcome distraction.
Sadly not. This happened on Saturday and was swept up in the general disdain for all of the leave pledges being dishonest, which half of the country already knew. I'd love for MPs to be grilled like this more vigorously, more often and relentlessly, but this appears to be as good as it gets for now.
Links back to the campaign itself and how journalists demonstrated a dereliction of duty by not challenging the 'facts' more and instead tripped over themselves to appear neutral.
This was recorded a few days ago. I remember watching it the morning after the referendum.
I like how even his spindoctored version still implies we will have a Norway+ model, when we know now that it is very unlikely.
Conservative Party leader preference:
T. May: 36%
B. Johnson: 27%
A. Leadsom: 7%
S. Crabb: 7%
L. Fox: 4%
(via YouGov / Con members surveyed)
Conservative Party leader voting intention, May vs. Johnson runoff:
T. May: 55%
B. Johnson: 38%
(via YouGov / Con members surveyed)
The BoJo NoShow paying off for him, he might dodge the bullet after all.
T. May: 36%
B. Johnson: 27%
A. Leadsom: 7%
S. Crabb: 7%
L. Fox: 4%
(via YouGov / Con members surveyed)
Conservative Party leader voting intention, May vs. Johnson runoff:
T. May: 55%
B. Johnson: 38%
(via YouGov / Con members surveyed)
The BoJo NoShow paying off for him, he might dodge the bullet after all.
Yes, I remember watching this too. Wasn't it on CNN or maybe Sky? The moderator made a great job. I even congratulated her on Twitter because of that.
Oh no wait it was another interview. But the same idiot.
Innuendo and speculation, coming direct from the people trying to oust him. Not reams of 'evidence'.
We're talking across threads here, but this was my response to your video in the Corbyn thread:
They're talking about subjective campaign tactics here, not Corbyn secretly turning up at Leave events waving the Union Flag.
EDIT:Labour, New and Old, should be fighting the Tories and UKIP not pissing about with their House of Cards antics at the time the country needs a united and focused opposition. Every single person that has resigned this week should be deeply ashamed of themselves.
So instead of this whole thing being all for Boris, it may well truly be all for nothing.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I'm here for the fuckery.
I never imagined UK politics could stoop this low. So much for mocking the PIIGS for so many years.
The Incarnation
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Just want to be clear that you are totally deluded. This is the REASON people are ousting him, because he is an utter failure. You really think the entire Labour party and media has developed some conspiracy to pretend that he is incompetent. Isn't the more reasonable explanation that he IS incompetent?
What possible evidence could I present to you that would convince you?
Why would we risk upsetting our EU partners by giving a preferential deal to the UK? What is it they have to offer us these days other than a headache?
Bitch Pudding
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No shit.
As if Poland or any other EU member from Eastern Europe would EVER agree to any kind of trade deal with UK which does not include free movement for their own people...
The remaining EU countries just cannot agree to any kind of special treatment for the UK, as they are very well aware that other countries might start to develop a taste for a more ... individual? approach concerning migration.
Spladam
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Can you guys help me understand this, Spain and France are against Scotland remaining in the EU regardless of what UK does. For this to happen Scotland needs Scottish independance, Spain is apparently against this because of the situation in Catalonia, they don't want the idea to spread, but why is France against Scotland going rogue and remaining?
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JP Morgan reports they expect a new Scottish currency and withdrawal in the next two years, can Scotland really pull that off?
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JP Morgan reports they expect a new Scottish currency and withdrawal in the next two years, can Scotland really pull that off?
Can I ask something? What is the deal with that Corbyn guy anyway? Why is there so much passion surrounding him? I saw a rally of people who expressed their support for him while his party members seem very eager to see him go. Why is he so popular? Something about him tells me he isn't your typical politician. Otherwise there wouldn't be such a fuss.
jellies_two
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You seem to be enjoying this.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I don't know if France has spoken about Scotland yet, but they have similar issues with Basque and Corsican nationalism.
I laugh at the ridicule, but I'm not enjoying it. Brexit is awful news for the Spanish economy.
JonnyDBrit
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I think France's objection is specifically while it remains a part of the UK - ie, while Scotland's internal 'border' with England works in terms of UK administration its fundamentally impossible to resolve in relation to the EU. As mentioned, this actually adds fuel to Sturgeon's fire for a second independence referendum.
Edit: Nevermind, I forgot there were some regions of France at odds with their central government.
he's like a shite bernie sanders basically
He's very progressive, at least compared to his peers. He wants genuine financial and economic reform.
Oh, and he can't be easily bought.
A number of people were annoyed at "new labour", and see Corbyn as a return to a hard left labour party. He was the only real candidate who was heavily anti-war, anti-media, and wants a lot of reforms.
His style of politics ended up with him getting a lot of youth support in a similar way to how Bernie Sanders gained support in the US, but existing labour MP's don't like him and never supported him from the start.
jellies_two
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I don't think they are thinking of giving a better deal than the EU has,
Just the same deal.
And why not. The world is not as it was with high trade barriers everywhere. The UK is not awash with state supported industry why would any country want to penalize all imports from it.
Your last couple of lines pretty much nailed it. He's a bit of an outsider. Those that like him admire that he's a staunch man of principle and has the streak of an activist in a good way. Those that don't consider him too principled (i.e. stubborn), crotchety, a socialist and wholly unelectable. He tends to be more popular with younger voters due to his anti-establishment lilt.
Spladam
Member
Ah, ok, thank you. More reading to be done there, this thread has required 4 - 8 additional browser tabs through most of it, very interesting stuff. I mean, tragic, not making light of your problems, but very interesting.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
He is also a well known eurosceptic and somebody unable to work with people with different opinions, apparently.
He seems like the kind of person you put in front of outreach programmes instead of leading a political party.
Help us out then please, we're all struggling like fuck over here to make sense of any of this.
Bit closer to Karl Marx. Then again given Corbyn's admiration for the guy he'd probably take that as a compliment.
Cakes.
Any evidence of incompetence might convince me. Do you have any?
A video of him struggling to tie his shoe laces perhaps?
All we have so far is the cross-party failure to secure a Remain vote in the EU referendum, which Corbyn is clearly not solely responsible for.
As far as I'm aware Labour have been doing fair-to-middling under his very short leadership, did I miss something? Is it normal for political leaders to be voted in with an unprecedented majority of members then given less than a year and zero general elections to prove their worth?
Pankratous
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Can't find the article because my Facebook crapped out but the facepalm guy in EU Parliament was facepalming when Farage said they'd never done a proper job because he's a trained surgeon.
Corbyn also has a strong track record of holding opinions deemed unpopular and/or controversial, but are deemed to have been very much correct with the benefit of hindsight.
https://theworldturnedupsidedownne....remy-corbyn-was-on-the-right-side-of-history/
Some of these are debatable, but I think the UK would be in a better place overall he'd had more sway over these events at the time.
https://theworldturnedupsidedownne....remy-corbyn-was-on-the-right-side-of-history/
Some of these are debatable, but I think the UK would be in a better place overall he'd had more sway over these events at the time.
His entire campaign for the UK to remain in the EU for one thing.
Corbyn may not be solely responsible, but he sure as hell has a big chunk of fault for the failure to engage with many Labour voters.
Come on, he might be a bit more of an actual socialist than Bernie, but he is far from a Karl Marx.
It's in this thread. Somewhere. Let's say 5 pages back or something. Maybe 10. I don't know.
Cakes.
shinra-bansho
Member
They won't.
But Frankfurt and Paris sure like the look of that financial services sector. And the respective governments the £20+ billion in tax receipts it generates and the net trade balance of FS.
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