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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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"Something something bulldogs monocles Admiral Nelson"
SporeCrawler
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pretty strange that the norwegians dont try to enter into the EU. Its like the worst deal imaginable.
Think of everything that the Leave campaign promised people, then imagine getting absolutely none of it - that's the Norway deal in a nutshell.
For bonus points it's also genuinely "undemocratic".
ricardo_sousa11
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So, after chatting with a couple of friends (note we're not birtish or live in the UK), we realised how this will affect some people close to us.
We have a couple of friends who are musicians, most of their fanbase and business is actually held in the UK...They gig in the UK, they record in the UK, their songs are in english and so on. ALL of them will now see a big part of their careers shattered, and need to find a solution.
The same happens to photographers/videographers, who could take in jobs (such as weddings) held in the UK, because its a bigger market, and flight tickets are cheap.
Think of everyone who would go into the UK for music fests/gigs and so on, that will eventually stop doing so because you will need Visas, passports and so on.
This might seem a "small" problem, but the ramifications of this decision will affect in a major way, the minorities who were following a dream.
We have a couple of friends who are musicians, most of their fanbase and business is actually held in the UK...They gig in the UK, they record in the UK, their songs are in english and so on. ALL of them will now see a big part of their careers shattered, and need to find a solution.
The same happens to photographers/videographers, who could take in jobs (such as weddings) held in the UK, because its a bigger market, and flight tickets are cheap.
Think of everyone who would go into the UK for music fests/gigs and so on, that will eventually stop doing so because you will need Visas, passports and so on.
This might seem a "small" problem, but the ramifications of this decision will affect in a major way, the minorities who were following a dream.
Meh, like always she'll compromise between what the CDU/CSU want and what the big german companies want(She's good at that, there's a reason she's Kanzler since forever.); so Norway-like deal, which could be argued as being not petty and permitting a working relationship.
I'm more and more convinced the only major discussion point will be the financial passports.
Because its a port?
I don't think there would be any for the ferry itself that runs between Dover and Calais.
I'll let you in onto something, I've taken that ferry few times and all those times the French didn't give a shit and didn't even check passports despite the fact that there were several non-EU nationals (but British residents with a schengen visa, including myself). Going back though, they made us all go through the British immigration before getting on the ferry.
SmoothOperator
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De Gaulle most famous quote : " States have no friends, just interests".
Our SMEs are getting raped by their German counterparts at the European and International Level but hey we're "friends" after all.
Yep, don't be too shocked if we see a gradual drift from London to Frankfurt. Say what you want about the Financial Industry, they are a big tax earner for the treasury that would be really hard to plug if it decreases.
SporeCrawler
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UK was a roadblock to a closer union which is desparately needed in order to tackle some of the challenges that come with globalization,.
Worse than racism, didn't you hear?
nature boy
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So the UK's only hope is the EU making an exception to the 4 freedoms for the UK, no money for access to the EEA and the EU really likes British cakes.
Otherwise, no access to the EEA and the UK will have to find other economic partners, the pipe dream of US, Canada and Australia.
Otherwise, no access to the EEA and the UK will have to find other economic partners, the pipe dream of US, Canada and Australia.
Well, they tried twice actually and this deal woks well for them
UK at the EU negotiation table later this week.
Norway is happy to put up with this arrangement as they get an opt out from the Common Fisheries Policy which is a big deal for them.
paperboywriter
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Pro Brexit NI loyalist moonbat (and Trump supporter) advocates constituents get an Irish passport. Yep, hell has well and truly frozen over:
They really didn't think that the brexit actually was possible. Lol
The population wanted to stop people like me moving there ASAP. If I could migrate to Norway I fucking would.
SporeCrawler
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yeah but they get no say on laws imposed on them. they also need to accept freedom of movement. why not just be a member and get a voice on the decisions?
Norway has to accept freedom of movement. They are even part of Schengen
Yup. For extra hilarity, Norway is relatively rich and left-leaning, which makes their EU deal workable. That just happens to be two things Leave voters are not.
TsunamiOfSwagger
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Out of curiosity, is the figure of how many under 25 v turnout of under 25 public knowledge?
Napoleonthechimp
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Apparently this was the other side of the road: https://twitter.com/Dr_Biscuit/status/746701351216906240
PdotMichael
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Brexit drama would make the perfect base for another adaptation of the original House of Cards.
You know what I really want to hear? A real reason for this sovereignty fetish. What EU law is fucked up?
Looks like UK politicians were really caught off guard by yesterdays resultsPro Brexit NI loyalist moonbat (and Trump supporter) advocates constituents get an Irish passport. Yep, hell has well and truly frozen over:
in 1972 when the norwegians applied, they WERE granted membership. The Norwegian government did infact want to join the EU.
When a referendum was conducted it became apparent that the Norwegian population did not want to join the EU.
In an attempt to satisfy the publics opinion and be able to reap the massive benefits that came with the single market. The Norwegian government joined the trade zone but not the EU proper.
It was with relatively easy for Norway to get some sort of special benefits due to Sweden and Denmark both being members of the EU. Before the EU formation however, the Scandinavian countries already had a trade and passport union in place, which is still in effect today, meaning that people from Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland and Greenland can Work, Study, Live etc in one of those countries without being an actual citizen (A schengen like agreement that was about in the 1950's). The agreement also cover business interests and a swell of other things.
Even regardless of Norway being a member of the EU they would still have the benefits from the nordic agreements and so it is preferrable, for them, to have a hybrid system because they are in a unique situation.
More Fun To Compute
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It's more like Fawlty Towers.
Yes it is, but it is terrible in terms of sovereignty - a big issue from the leave side.
Who are people like you?
Darkstorne
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Good question. I'm not sure if that's public knowledge yet or not. Even prior to the results the polls were all showing the same trend though. Age was the biggest factor in which way people voted, followed by education (higher education = more likely to vote Remain).
SporeCrawler
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which will be a no go for the european side.
Prototype Viktor
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https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-norway
Sadly a bit out of my price range, but perhaps it's worth considering if I can get a job there.
LordRaptor
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Same with the tunnel, I took my motorcycle and the French guy couldn't even be bothered to wait for me to remove my helmet, told me to just go.
Coming back through British customs was a whole different story.
Darkstorne
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Counterpoint: 81% of people who feel multiculturalism is a "force for ill" voted Leave.
EDITED to correct wording.
paperboywriter
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If they really were clueless what to do after, what was the plan with the referendum anyway?! It's bizarre. Just to stir up the political climate?
Ravensmash
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But then it really feels like we've gained nothing by leaving, and actually made any complaints (about the EU being undemocratic and consisting of free movement) more valid.
I'd be disappointed from a Remain standpoint, the Leavers would be absolutely livid.
Never felt so ashamed to be British.
counterpoint: that's not how that chart works
chancellor
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If leaving the EU results in further cuts due to a loss of tax receipts I hope the Tories make sure the pain is spread evenly. No exceptions for pensioners, if pensions get cut then fair enough, everyone has to feel the pain of leaving including those who were more likely to have voted for Brexit.
Flintty
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I was really pleased to read this. It's about time they all (including our MPs) started acting professional and get to work on making the best of the situation.
I don't regret my vote at all but I'm getting concerned about the rhetoric from the majority of EU wanting to hang UK out to dry and the bile being spewed by pro-Remain people. It's fucking done. The British public shouldn't be punished in its entirety because of a very closely won vote. Fucking get on with life and make it work.
As for idiots petitioning for an independent London, wtf to that.
Yeah! Let's cut their heating allowance too! That'll learn them! Come on dude, we're better than this.
Darkstorne
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Yep, sorry, corrected the wording.
Garrett Hawke
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Edit: nvm see it has been updated
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