Doesn't the UK Parliament need to promulgate the referendum first though?
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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Doesn't the UK Parliament need to promulgate the referendum first though?
I think we're past that TBH.
Kadayi
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Yeah I'm pretty disgusted that Cameron is trying to wash his hands of a disaster of his own making and thinks he can just leave the UK in limbo for 4 months, as if that's not going to have a negative impact on everything due to political uncertainty, versus manning up and doing his best to ensure that the foundation of the transition is solid. Shameless behaviour on his part.
The problem is that the only thing which united the Leave side was wanting to Leave. There were a myriad of reasons to want it, sovereignty issues, the EU being a "neoliberal plot", immigration. That means that what they actually want Britain's relationship outside the EU various massively. Many of the Conservative MPs only care about sovereignty and they basically want the UK to have the exact same relationship with the EU as before except laws are decided exclusively in parliament. I think they might have some issues with this when many voters wanted to leave so migration could be reduced to zero...
I hope the second point won't kick in, the prospect of actual thought out reforms is the only positive point of Brexit.
To the bolded: I don't think it's in UK'S best interest to wait it out, be it only to avoid all multinational companies beginning to leave the country. They may wait a bit to see if the UK gets a trade deal they can work with, but they won't way too long.
1.21Gigawatts
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Of course. A long period of uncertainty helps nobody.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
They should consider expelling the 73 UK welfare leeches who currently intend to continue cashing 14 million Euro worth of paycheques over the next two years while they twiddle their thumb, which they almost certainly do have the power to do.
You do realize the markets are strongly in favour of EU putting pressure on UK and achieving some clarity in this messy time, right. There needs to be structure and a plan. Up to now the UK has unfortunately done nothing but display incompetence.
Don Draper's Hat
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I was speaking to my girlfriend's parents today, both of whom voted Leave.
When I asked them why her mum, who has also come across as extremely ignorant to me, said this:
"This country has become a joke. You can't even discipline your children any more!"
I knew EXACTLY where she was going with this so I responded with "There's a big difference between disciplining a child and beating them."
She spoke over me. "No, it's against the law in some places to discipline children these days. You're not allowed to give them a smack or anything."
"So you voted out of Europe because you want to be able to smack children?"
"When I was at school teachers would often cane the naughty kids and..."
FUCK!!!!!!!
When I asked them why her mum, who has also come across as extremely ignorant to me, said this:
"This country has become a joke. You can't even discipline your children any more!"
I knew EXACTLY where she was going with this so I responded with "There's a big difference between disciplining a child and beating them."
She spoke over me. "No, it's against the law in some places to discipline children these days. You're not allowed to give them a smack or anything."
"So you voted out of Europe because you want to be able to smack children?"
"When I was at school teachers would often cane the naughty kids and..."
FUCK!!!!!!!
phisheep
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It is more urgent than that, since the presidency is preceded by a one-year stretch on the Troika that sets the political direction for the EU. The UK is due to take that position next Friday.
No argument there, also not sure anyone would actually care about the MEPs.
nature boy
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So Farage is pissed no one is taking him seriously? HA.
CyclopsRock
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What's he meant to do? Start negotiating when everyone on the other side of the table knows he won't be the one who needs to sign it off?
Imo he's going as quickly as he can.
Fucking hell forget about that.
wouldn't delaying the exit just cause companies to bail earlier and the economy to tank harder? delaying means more uncertainty which is worse that possibly staying for a year or two longer.
I doubt the UK postponing matters against the will of the EU is going to do them any favours politically, even though they do have the power over the timing, that is true.
Dorsal Axe
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It's terrible, but rather shrewd on his behalf. He's sabotaged his successor, and potentially salvaged whatever is left of his own reputation by deflecting the heat onto them.
Is this sarcasm? It has to be, right?
Yes, this is about money. It's what our country bloody runs on.
I'm not sure who in the EU has the right to expel MEPs. As long as the UK is part of the EU they have every right to be there. They may be lame ducks but then most UK MEPs didn't do anything worthwhile anyway so... ¯\_(ツ
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paperboywriter
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There is nothing funny about this.
Napoleonthechimp
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People are fucking idiots.
It's not PC to say but there we are. I suppose this is a leftover from the Thatcherite me first era.
ClosingADoor
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What shakedown? The UK wants out. They should get no with it then and not delay. The EU is fully within its right to get the UK to leave instead of dragging matters out.
phisheep
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Sure they are. And up to now the UK has, like everybody else, been in shock at the outcome. That's not incompetence, just shock. We only got the result yesterday, this is no time for bullying.
Relaxed Muscle
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There's no "if", none of the parties with actual representation in the parlament wants a referendum.
Unlike England or France, which right-wing fascists are capitalizing the discomfort of working classes with their bigotry. In Spain it was intellectuals that understands the needs of the people but actually want a better EU, not getting out of it.
For much fear mongering is thrown out by some of our parties.
AHA-Lambda
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The money going to research, education, culture, the arts and public services?
That money being invested in social issues?
That's right wing now?
Whereas saving money from an EU membership that was an economic net gain in order to ""fund"" a deliberately underfunded NHS was left wing now? Need your head examined mate
Oh sweet, we can discipline children again, because voting out of the EU takes us back to the dark ages? Awesome. I'm gonna go celebrate.
I actually think his leadership ambition has more chance of happening than ever now. The problem that Boris realises is that the next PM has no way of looking good by the time the GE happens because we're all in a world of hurt. He;ll be a less than 1 term PM.
Dash_Riprock
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This whole affair and the sudden "oh shit what have we done!?" attitude some Leave people now have reminds me of that joke I heard about the man who throws a large boulder out his apartment window and realizes too late that its tied to his testicles, and he now has to decide whether or not to dive out after it.
Can't blame cameron. The guy was a moron to even call for a referendum. But he has a point. Why should he deal with this shit? let bojo and gove deal with it
Air Zombie Meat
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Yes and it's not real.
His reputation is finished and I don't really know if Johnson will be prime minister.
I say this based on the fact that I live in a Tory echo chamber at work. These people and my bosses, reliable Tory voters will not forgive him, Johnson, Gove or anyone of the exiters for what they've done. Them and their families. They even ecpressed a desire to have BLAIR back or vote for a competent Labour Party. Since the Labour Party is headed by a moron I don't know what will happen.
This is not bullying. This is stating facts. It's a tragedy but this is the situation right now and we have to deal with it.
Maedre
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*clap* *clap* *clap*
Whos laughing? Perhaps i should have written "sigh" instead of "heh"?
No one has a clue whats going to happen in the coming, weeks, months or next 5 years. Right now both the EU and UK are not doing anyone nor themselves any favors.
One is silent and the other seems to be threatening the silent.
PdotMichael
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It's incompetence if a country doesn't have a masterplan how to handle a possible outcome of a voting.
But whatever helps to create that image of an evil EU!
Pankratous
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- edited joke picture out since people weren't appreciating
Obviously not representing all Leave voters, but hilarious all the same.
Obviously not representing all Leave voters, but hilarious all the same.
Jezbollah
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I saw a really good post in the comments section of The Guardian today:
It's certainly a dynamic I've not thought of, but it's a nice trap to have been set by Cameron and it does dump whoever is the next PM into the shit if they are a Brexiter. Interesting times.
It's certainly a dynamic I've not thought of, but it's a nice trap to have been set by Cameron and it does dump whoever is the next PM into the shit if they are a Brexiter. Interesting times.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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Is this a Little Britain spin-off?
Obviously not representing all Leave voters, but hilarious all the same.
No need for any of this nasty class resentment stuff.
phisheep
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'scuse me. We just had a referendum. The question was whether we leave the EU - not whether we leave two weeks on Friday.
Dorsal Axe
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Oh, I know he's finished within the party. I was thinking more his legacy to the general public. History might look on him a little more kindly than his successor, depending on how they will handle the situation. Plus it's a nice bit of revenge on Boris or Gove, assuming either of them become Prime Minister. They can either ignore the referendum, and cause a shitstorm, or try a negotiate a shitty deal, which will also cause a shitstorm. The next election will be a travesty for them. They are destined to be a puppet on a lonely string.
David Cameron died for your sins. More JC than DC. Amen.
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My girlfriend got told that her job is under risk. The company is not going to let her go now, but they're concerned about the situation and have advised her to examine other options. Pretty cut up.
ClosingADoor
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Haha, that's got to be fake.
Yes, and now that you have decided that, the UK shouldn't drag the process out any longer then needed. You're not leaving in two weeks, you're leaving in two years from the moment the UK says they are out. So your government should officially notify the EU of that as soon as possible so the process can get on its way. This should be done next week I think if the UK government accepts the results of the referendum.
This is a really interesting angle I hadn't considered. If Cameron has managed to piss of his mates in the City then the Conservatives are screwed.
It's like how a friend was telling me all through the Thatcher years she kept the Police on side by refusing to make cuts, but this government hasn't realised that and has lost the support they used to have.
If Cameron's just poisoned the good old boy network of the City then that's possibly the biggest seismic shift out of all of this.
paperboywriter
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Yeah took the heh for you laughing about it. Never mind than. Sorry.
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