Every person who voted Leave has put my job, my home, future in doubt, I have struggled to get the little I have, I will not forget and I will not forgive.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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Every person who voted Leave has put my job, my home, future in doubt, I have struggled to get the little I have, I will not forget and I will not forgive.
Napoleonthechimp
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It isn't age that is the issue. It's the pride in their ignorance that is the problem and that comes at any age.
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They can refuse to negotiate or meet with UK representatives until the UK commits to Article 50.
phisheep
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Can't be bothered to look it up now, but there's something in the Scotland Act that if Westminster legislates for anything that materially affects Scotland it will get consent from the Scottish parliament, and since it also says in the Scotland Act that the Scottish Parliament has to comply with EU rules, then this will clearly be triggered by Brexit.
Oh, I was daydreaming today about a cunning plan where Scotland went independent and remained part of the EU and in return for additional funding from Westminster of about £161m a week it gave everyone in the UK Scottish citizenship. Then I woke up.
And that's fair enough. We've got plenty we can be getting on with in the meantime. We don't for example need the EUs consent to write Regulations and Treaty Articles into UK law.
PJV3
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I'd rather address some of the issues and not face this again. It's ridiculous that the UK is this divided and potentially on the edge of imploding. We ain't some poor 3rd world country, we can build the houses we need etc.
JonathanEx
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So the SNP could also act as a massive spanner in the works, possibly holding back consent to the triggering of Article 50, possibly in exchange for say, agreeing to IndyRef2?
Just playing theoretical politics here, obvs.
We've been needing to build more bloody houses for years and haven't done it. But yes quite right, we can afford it. Sorry. It's something that gripes me, that.
-Plasma Reus-
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The EU has the following going for them :
1. Pursuing legal means to force the UK to trigger it (such as saying the act of the referendum passing itself was a trigger), or even the wording -'shall'- in the paragraph regarding triggering, they may argue, means it is an obligation on the UK to trigger it. This radio silence the UK is engaged in would be a breach.
2. London pushing for the government to trigger it, to minimise the amount of business that is being lost daily.
3. The longer the UK waits, the worse of the deal will be and the more swift the EU has to be in how they deal with UK during negotiations. Now more than ever the EU has to show its force.
Oh god. Constitutional crisis does not even begin to put a finger on it. The other sad thing is that the civil service and machinery of government is going to be stalled for years on this thing and it's many ramifications while other needed reforms and legislation for the day to day running of this country are put on the back burner.
Just sheer madness.
This is the title of this referendum. Just sheer madness.
Snarfington
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Still can't get over it. I'm sure the leave voters had their reasons, but I just find it so hard to believe so many of the people around me have a vision for this country, and for their future, that is so diametrically opposed to mine that they're willing to throw away and risk such a ludicrous amount.
I agree that it will be very hard to forgive. But at the moment, I'm just hoping for some kind of sanity and order to it soon, just so I don't have to spend my days being anxious the whole time.
I agree that it will be very hard to forgive. But at the moment, I'm just hoping for some kind of sanity and order to it soon, just so I don't have to spend my days being anxious the whole time.
Didn't like three quarters of people aged <24 vote against Brexit? And more than the half of people aged 25-49 voted against as well, I think. Older generations potentially screwed them over, which is very sad. The aftermath will affect the people (aged <50) that voted against more, as they are building their careers, studying, still have a long while to go on the jobmarket etc. For their sake, I hope this situation stabilizes well soon.
Edit: source: http://www.politico.eu/article/britains-youth-voted-remain-leave-eu-brexit-referendum-stats/ (other sites state this as well).
Heh, nevermind that austerity measures have decimated large parts of the civil service. Police (I think), NHS and the security / intelligence services were protected AFAIK.
jakonovski
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Regarding EU's response and the proposed dragging of feet: the Leavers forgot Greece. Remember that? The EU can be super vicious these days, and this is an order of magnitude worse politically.
Personally, I'm torn because of the effects there will be on ordinary people. But there's so much wanting to have your cake and eat it too in the Leaver camp that I viscerally want to see them getting a boot shoved up their asses.
Personally, I'm torn because of the effects there will be on ordinary people. But there's so much wanting to have your cake and eat it too in the Leaver camp that I viscerally want to see them getting a boot shoved up their asses.
Commander Jameson
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You shouldn't really say you're going to have pie tonight unless you've know what the recipe is.
Interesting to see how this goes. If I were the leader of the SNP I would secure some very lucrative terms for that consent. A new referendum with guarantees from Westminster about shared Sterling access for starters.
Police spending has been cut drastically, for what it's worth.
JonathanEx
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You can decide to have pie before knowing what flavour. I fancy pie now. Chicken, beef, pork, veggie, who knows.
Oooh I have a pork pie in the fridge.
Sorry, I think I've driven this metaphor off a cliff. Metaphorically.
They were being lied to and they bought into it.
Fuck populism. The UK's major problem was never the EU.
When you remove someone's security, the resentment that builds in a person is strong. I'd go far as to say the division here will be much greater than in the Scottish referendum for a fair few people.
There's one fact though, not many young people voted whereas a lot of older people voted.
Probably cause a lot of those 18-25 who didn't even turn up were too busy trying to get laid and drunk (I'm 25 myself).
We are talking here of the 5th World Economy, not Greece. Greece was struggling to not get kicked out from the Union. UK wants to get out from the Union on their people own volition.
Sixth now, right?
-Plasma Reus-
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Another thing people don't seem to understand is that the UK hasn't really fostered a lot of goodwill with the way it used to demand things when it was part of the EU. And this campaign and the way it was run has made things worse if anything. Smaller members want to see something done, and France/Germany have legitimate reason for themselves to be extra harsh because the future of the EU has come in to question lately.
I feel really sorry for half of this country who were sensible and now have to pay for the choice of others.
geordiemp
Member
Good guess, I will come back Tuesday to bow to your wisdom
So I will check next week then maybe ?
If not now, soon.
See you next Tuesday...
Coriolanus
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That was never a risk.
Greece never wanted to quit the Union. The question was if Greece had to leave the Euro Zone once it declared it wouldn't pay its debt/follow through with Troika's demands. Plus, it's Greece. Not the UK.
THE UK for god's sake what is going on.
jakonovski
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It's not the getting out part. It's saying you want to get out then start playing games and not actually leaving.
-Plasma Reus-
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Don't you want to leave the EU? Wouldn't it be in your interest if this happened as soon as possible?
Delaying will not get the leave camp anything, and is only making things worse for them.
Palette Swap
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It was always going to be a pork pie. The issue is that they don't know how to not fuck it.
BumblebeeCody
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I'd say July. Next week will be all political games and the UK will lose.
Given the unstable economic and political environment, businesses and banks are going to start moving out of the UK no matter what at this point.
blazinglord
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I don't think anyone who succeeds Cameron would oppose the notion that Scotland could have another independence referendum if they wanted. The problem is, Nicola Sturgeon is not 100% sure they could win it right now which is why she wants Westminster to give the Scottish parliament the legal right to call one (when they choose to), but also presumably also be involved in Brexit talks in case the settlement the agreed on turns out to be something they could live with.
If Scotland votes to leave the UK tomorrow, there is no guarantee that Spain would allow them to join EU immediately due to Catalonia question. Also, Scotland would have the financial economic upheaval of joining the Euro at the worst possible time when both currencies are in flux.
I haven't look it deeply, but I think the EU can stop the funding for projects in education and other fields.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
PJV3
Member
I know, I grew up during the dark days of Thatcherism up north, and it feels worse than that in many ways. The anger is flying in so many directions and it's time to deal with it
That's if this decision hasn't pissed away the money to do it.
SporeCrawler
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UK wanted out not the EU. EU is just doing the sane thing which is creating clarity asap.
I mean, it would really be pretty easy to say that. You just did!
Here's the question: what if the EU did just come out and say "we consider that the UK has invoked article 50 and it's all downhill from here?" What, exactly, would anybody do about it? Send Farage to Parliament to complain that he doesn't want to leave yet?
It absolutely was.
Greece didn't want to leave, EU, or some countries at least, planned a Greece exit.
Ravensmash
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The EU wanting (but unable) for us to get on with leaving as soon as possible, and us taking our sweet old time about it could very well be the sweetest irony.
Coriolanus
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...why in blazes would any country willingly start using the euro in this day and age?
Their upheaval would come from having to develop their own currency asap.
What is the mechanism for kicking a country out of the union?
TheRealTalker
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Oh Britain you pissed off Europe and they are taking no apologizes
literally calling for you to have a speedy leave
You also pissed of Scotland
literally calling for you to have a speedy leave
You also pissed of Scotland
Believe me, the EU won't be the only one asking for this to be resolved as soon as possible. The Rest of the world is just as interested in that.
SporeCrawler
Member
You do realize that only facilitates companies leaving and Investments being cancelled or postponed?
The EU may want us out but it's in the UK interest to be in a position to negotiate before we notify Brussels we wish to leave. Initiating article 50 will put the EU in a stronger negotiating position due to the 2 year time period, we should bide our time and get the best deal we can.
I'm pretty sure that a lot of them, especially the older demographic who just "wanted their country back" still haven't really realized what they voted on.
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