PJV3
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People have said this about Boris for years, he's unfit for public service.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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People have said this about Boris for years, he's unfit for public service.
Getting a little sick of the "blame the young for not voting" rhetoric. Young people are exactly that - young, irresponsible, and have poor foresight. It seems immensely unsympathetic to tell someone their future was sold out because they were too hungover to vote when they were 18.
We're not a third world, war torn country, so it's not a lot to ask that massive decisions where the effects are mostly left to the future generation are treated with the utmost care and respect.
Outcomes like this are one of the many reasons why Direct Democracy isn't a thing.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Turns out those so worried about their future couldn't be bothered to vote on it
36%, bravo
This is fucking stupid. Of course youth engagement in politics is low, outside the educated/currently in education section of society, the youth of this country have little to no contact with day to day politics. They literally have been taught not to concentrate on these things and let their elders take care of it.
If you want to throw shade, throw shade at the 24-35 age group. At that point you should have enough experience of the world to form a political opinion, understand the voting process and how important your voice needs to be heard. The group that should be the driving economic and political force in this country only managed to represent 58%.
Ah fuck another contract cancelled at this rate I'll have to work for those fuckwits in gogarburn again
If there's an indication of the panic in London at the moment it's that some poor project manager is emailing me at 11 o'clock on a Saturday night and it's not about a failure or intrusion
If there's an indication of the panic in London at the moment it's that some poor project manager is emailing me at 11 o'clock on a Saturday night and it's not about a failure or intrusion
Bank account? Pretty interesting. I guess that somehow works.
Not really, there's a lot of Tories that want to stay in the EU even if it's clearly not all of them. A term of the coalition could be to stay in the EU when at which point they can just blame the Lib Dems for keeping us in the EU.
Anyway, went to their website and it looks like they're really going to go full steam ahead on the EU issue. It might be a very smart play if they become the default party that's just the opposite of UKIP and almost a one policy party.
Carl2291
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Not surprised in the slightest.Turns out those so worried about their future couldn't be bothered to vote on it
36%, bravo
Why go out and vote when you can sit in and watch Jeremy Kyle, get fingered behind Tesco or worry more about how many likes you can get on Facebook in your snap back?
Youth today doesn't give a fuck.
Turns out those so worried about their future couldn't be bothered to vote on it
36%, bravo
That's from a polling service, not actual voting numbers.
I think we all know how reliable polls are right now.
AHA-Lambda
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Can only hope, this is starting to appear clearer and clearer that this was a big game of political chess gone wrong.
The difference is that the EU will probably have more than a few choice words to say on the matter and they will keep kicking England up the arse until such time as not even the Black Jack of Proctologists could save their buttocks.
There's fuckall he can say which wouldn't cause a panic the best thing at the moment is radio silence until people wrap their heads around the implications
SporeCrawler
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EU will probably publicly state their draft terms of the brexit which will basically be something like:
1. UK Banking Licenses mean shit in the EU (non-negotiable)
2. If UK accepts Freedom of movement and Schengen -> Access to single market
3. If Uk does not accept Freedom of movement of Schengen -> WTO terms
If this happen UK will be forced to respond or otherwise the financial industry will just start moving out.
They would not be taking advantage of the situation at all would they....this kind of nonsense is not helpful at all...it just serves to bring more disconnect.
This, This a million times.
This!!!! Lots of leave voters are right wing by mindset and that's usually selfish by nature, I have never seen a right wing person ever consider any issue beyond what's best for themselves. The environment isn't any of their concern, let them frack for all they care, if it brings money and food to them, it's all game, they may as well sell slaves too, they won't care.
What they seem to instantly forget is that by trying to fracture the union, they have put themselves in a position where the UK has to walk on egg shells to avoid war with any of the neighbours. Those who forget history are bound to repeat the same dumb as decision
Turns out those so worried about their future couldn't be bothered to vote on it
36%, bravo
Both are to blame..the youth not giving a damn and even people voting for not knowing why they voted but it happend. See the google search after it happend and the older people racing in fear to vote leave. Seeing pictures now on facebook that in 1 day racism is ahead of it..pretty disgusting. This shouldn't happen in a way but it did and turned out terrible. We needed a democracy EU not a bureaucracy since that what it is mostly and well i think brussels got a slap in the nuts..the EU needs to change that's for sure.
The Incarnation
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Napoleonthechimp
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And why do you expect any of them to bother? 52% set the country on fire, so let the leaver politicians sort that shit out.
In all seriousness he's likely behind the scenes. It's not really his job to be a PR master.
jellies_two
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Turns out those so worried about their future couldn't be bothered to vote on it
36%, bravo
Is that actually national turnout by age group? Or some sky poll turnout estimate or something else?
If that's the national turnout or something like it then well wow, that rather puts a new complexion on things doesn't it.
I would say things are already pretty fucking disconnected, mate. I really don't think you Leavers understand the true extent of what you've done - right now any possible solution is on the table.
Yup.
PJV3
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Osborne should quit, Cameron should make a public appointment of Johnson or Gove to replace him.
Starwolf_UK
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To bring up this old chestnut...the tution fees betrayton of the Lib Dems was as follows:
21 Lib Dem MPs voted against, 27 Lib Dems voted for, 8 Lib Dems did not vote.
Of the 8 current Lib Dem MPs left 4 voted for (including former lead Clegg), 4 voted against (including current leader Farron). So one side lost about 6/8, the other about 7/8.
Turns out those so worried about their future couldn't be bothered to vote on it
36%, bravo
This goes a long way to explaining why, in the 10 years I've been able to cast a vote, I've never once voted for something that has ultimately gone on to win, and I've voted at every possible opportunity. My generation really are lazy cunts.
Genuinely makes me feel like I might as well not bother turning out for the next 20 years until the baby boomers finally die off.
But the youth saw what happens when you vote in the party you want; you get a nice shiny dagger lodged right into your spine whilst the party has four years on the throne and lets the Thatcher hores do the rape and pillaging act they would have done only with, I dunno, less walking on the grass.
The youth don't care anymore, they know they're going to be fucked over even if they all marched in Animal Farm style and the time it takes to get to the voting station is time they could spend biting the pillow for the next indecent assault.
The youth don't care anymore, they know they're going to be fucked over even if they all marched in Animal Farm style and the time it takes to get to the voting station is time they could spend biting the pillow for the next indecent assault.
That's a point regardless of an article 50 declaration the Eu can easily fuck up the uk economy by leaking what they're going to do sans push back because there's no one in atm
A simple statement of a Eu banking passport is non negotiable without at least associate membership fucks London to a degree which is barely imaginable and sets the negiotations with that narrow context. What's the comeback from the uk there "no you can't" the worst case for say German car manufacturers is the wto rules they use for half the world they can live with that
Aren't exit polls by their nature more accurate than pre-election polls?
Once people show up you can get a pretty good snap shot of the who, what, when, of voting which is why political parties feverishly comb through the exit polls in the US, at least.
That said, fucking A, get out and vote. What did you have to do that was more important than voting for a once in a generation, if not longer, decision like this?
Once people show up you can get a pretty good snap shot of the who, what, when, of voting which is why political parties feverishly comb through the exit polls in the US, at least.
That said, fucking A, get out and vote. What did you have to do that was more important than voting for a once in a generation, if not longer, decision like this?
The awful state of both Remain and Leave campaigns will have had a lot to do with it, I'm sure. So much negativity on both sides. Although the truism that younger people are less likely to vote will have played its usual part too.
Given that only works out to about 67% percent turnout across all brackets, as opposed to the 72% declared overall turnout, I'd have to say it's just based on polling data.
Napoleonthechimp
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You know that in General Elections you're voting for the leader of your constituency, right? Which means if you're in one that's traditionally not in line with your political beliefs then you'll likely never see someone you voted for in power.
Working in a shitty zero hour job that would fire you if you tried to get leave on the day?
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Don't forget it was a torrential downpour that day. My friend couldn't vote because they were stuck in 4 hours of traffic each way to work.
Ravensmash
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Turns out those so worried about their future couldn't be bothered to vote on it
36%, bravo
Not surprising.
In my relatively small social circle I knew of two people who literally said: "Why would I want to vote!"
Question mark purposefully excluded.
You could say pretty much the same about Johnson and Gove though 🤔
This will not happen.
The EU IS NOT allowed to make ANY decisions/negotiations at all until we make a formal and explicit decision as to Article 50.
Heckler456
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Just looked up why the UK holds elections on a Thursday:
Insanity. And they even went back to make it official no more than 5 years ago.
Insanity. And they even went back to make it official no more than 5 years ago.
The Incarnation
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Turns out those so worried about their future couldn't be bothered to vote on it
36%, bravo
The youth tend to lean towards Labour, they're not going to get worked up when the campaign was mainly dominated by blue on blue nonsense and Farage. Labour didn't exactly help matters. Heck the MP who was shot dead did more in the afterlife than the whole Labour party put together.
They'll probably show up. Attached to a tree with any luck.
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This is incredibly disheartening. I feel bad for those communities.
jellies_two
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Regardless I looked and all prior polls and models have stated diminished turn out on this, vs younger age. So perhaps that will slow down the meme that old people screwed the pooch. Of course it won't but old, educated, stay voters should be kicking young asses right now.
I'm sure some German finance minister or whatever can tell the Guardian and Times whatever he 'thinks' might happen.
Or it 'leaks'.
This is all going to be backroom deals until we end up staying or a Norway deal if push comes to shove
he said he would like that money to be spent on schools gps and hospitals. Not the second we leave the eu we will inject the money into the nhs. Not sure why people cant understand that.
In Colombia, and other places too I'm sure, no one's permitted to sell alcohol leading up to and during election weekends!
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Rest assured the EU has already drafted it's own decisions and is essentially going in this to show the UK the papers to sign or leave.
SporeCrawler
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releasing a draft is not a decision.
Phantast2k
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Insight into Merkel's plans (note the date):
Techau is the director of Carnegie Europe, the European center of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Techau works on EU integration and foreign policy, transatlantic affairs, and German foreign and security policy.
As you can see this is not really about giving UK preferential 3rd country status, unless you think countries like Turkey are getting it too.
Techau is the director of Carnegie Europe, the European center of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Techau works on EU integration and foreign policy, transatlantic affairs, and German foreign and security policy.
As you can see this is not really about giving UK preferential 3rd country status, unless you think countries like Turkey are getting it too.
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