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So what are the chances uk doesn't go through with brexit? Considering it'd be pretty catastrophic, I'd say pretty high
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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geordiemp
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Not needed in UK, as we have first past the post. UKIP has like 1 MP with 15 % of the vote or something.
Tories win the south, Labour take north, wales and scotland do their thing, as it always has been.
As long as all major parties manifesto is remain, then its overturned easily. Except you have Corbyn and Duncan smith saying different, it may change in a month of bad news...
For me, it's Lib Dems, purely because the Greens aren't saying they would ignore the referendum result and the Lib Dems are. If the Greens do come out on a platform of keeping us in the EU, I'll take another look for sure.
Your non-compliance will be rewarded. Probably. If we unite and work together to fix my monumental fuck-up.
dealer-
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The guy is a chameleon. Not even a pretence that he wasn't spouting bullshit for the last four months.
Monty Mole
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There is no Brexit, everyone calm down! Says Boris, pretty much.
I swear we'll look back at all this in a year and wonder what all this was about, as nothing will change aside from terminology.
I swear we'll look back at all this in a year and wonder what all this was about, as nothing will change aside from terminology.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Oh for sure, and I'm not defending the lack of turnout. But I still think it's a strong thing to consider. It's not just 'lazy young people'. It's also disenfranchised young people to. As I say, I voted, so I have all the right in the world to complain, and no one can tell me otherwise.
Napoleonthechimp
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Thousands of years ago my ancestors travelled across Europe and the channel to settle in England. If they had the courage to do it then I certainly can too... only in reverse.
Since Free movements inevitability is now being publicised by the Leave camp, it would be complete fucking stupidity to invoke Article 50 on many Leavers beliefs.
But stupidity we apparently have plenty of
ferrasvansen
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Oh we will leave, but keep access to single market, free movement, payments to EU continue, but have no influence. Sounds like a real good deal......
It's fine, UK will get new doctors with the renewed funding their Universities wil- OHSee if the Remain campaign had used their nous then stuff like this -
Would of been an incredibly effective way of showing why the Leave campaigns focus on immigration was a load of bollocks and I'm pretty sure you could find countless examples of stuff just like this.
dealer-
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He didn't want this.
Some of the political commenters are expecting it, saying the Tories will probably back it if their leader does because they don't see Labour coming back at them anyway. After Gordon Brown, they know how much they'd need a public vote on them for their leader to be accepted and have a chance of being more than a part-term PM.
Caroline Lucas is a leader who looks strong, LibDem... I dont even know who their leader is.
It's a shame Greens don't have the political image to be leaders. Everyone thinks they are environmentalist nutjobs.
I mean, I'm all for some miracle opposing candidate to appear that can unite the party and the country behind them, but we already know the parliamentary Labour party doesn't have such an individual right now.
paperboywriter
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It's already catastrophic and every minutes that passes it's gonna be even more catastrophic.
No, I get it. I totally understand your postition and you're obviously not alone feeling as you do.
I think my feelings stem from the fact that ultimately, no one can properly predict how everything will turn out. We can make all kinds of educated assumptions (positive and negative), but until the actual deals are done, the myriad threads disentangled, other global forces fatored in that may not become apparent until a year down the line, 2 years down the line, whatever; we can't possibly know how things will turn out. Thus my natural optimism reasserts itself. I like to think that the hysteria (I don't mean that in a derogatory sense and its not aimed at you) will ultimately die down and a more measured, rational approach about what form Leave will actually take over the years will come to the fore. Merkel's comments have been interesting on this.
Audioboxer
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What we really want is a shittier EU deal than what we currently have... Great idea!
And yeah we are going to leave, Cameron's dead body can only stall for 3 months.
Our relationship with the EU has been scorched and the handling of everything post brexit isn't just going to fly as "we dun goofed EU, just ignore us".
I hope you pointed out the House of Lords for a starters? And I know quite a few and all they cared about were immigrants and refugees. I am not saying there are a group of people who believe the EU is un-democratic but do you honesty believe that kept 17,000,000 people up at night? If that was the case, we would have got rid of stuff like FPTP and the House of Lords years ago.
It's mental and I hope some have recognised the can't be apathetic from now on.
ferrasvansen
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Napoleonthechimp
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You can't take what Boris says as a sign of what Britain will be like post-Brexit. He likely won't be leading anything and no negotiations have taken place.
The article is just a result of one of his fever dreams.
The article is just a result of one of his fever dreams.
Expand your social circle. My ex was a non voter all she cared about was clubbing and looking cool. I've met many people like that. More interested in the kardashians than the running of their own country.
Good point. Brown used to get hammered about not winning a GE.
And he is jumping the gun a bit, as negotiations have not started yet.
Audioboxer
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The Incarnation
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Yes it will be, much worse. But like the alcoholic, sometimes people need to hit rock bottom first. An atrophied mind sometimes needs a sharpe shock to get it going.
You can't however expect people to come out with positivity when they have negative minds caused by mainly negative life experiences. Sometimes spite is the only weapon people have.
Everything will just fall on deaf ears until then really. That shock might well be coming, but frankly I can see where they're coming from even if I don't agree with their conclusion.
Most of my friends are leave, but I'm not sitting around calling them thick or racist and thinking woe is me.
I try and always keep in mind that people are a process and not the finished article.
I also believe a large percentage of the population are purposely "groomed" to be this way.
Dorsal Axe
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I guess Boris has decided to go for what little of the premiership is available to him now.
It's funny, a lot of people I speak to (including conservatives) seem to agree that other than the ugly, ugly war side of things that he's rightly reviled for, he was pretty decent domestically.
JonathanEx
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Boris is shitting himself, isn't he? Never had to get his hands dirty really.
SporeCrawler
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And UK having no say in the EU
The Incarnation
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Dude was the Mayor of London. Was he really anything else? It was a power play that fucked up.
The job is available, do you fancy it?
Heckler456
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Hey so, how are we going to convince those 52% that a brexit would actually be a terrible idea without having the entire country coming apart at the seams?
Yes I did.
They said it's useless just like the royal family.
I'm just saying eventhough majority voted for immigration, there are few who are pro immigration and wanted "control".
Shame that they didn't really understood that they already had control, I mean if you elect UKIP for EU parliament then they will spend most of their time berating others and causing ruckus than actually working on regulations. Now everything points to UK joining EEA and thst means we will have no power at all.
ferrasvansen
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True but we need that trade access or we go bust, simple really. He knows this and is preparing folk for the bad news which will follow in two years or so. Free movement or no trade, economy destroyed or freedom of movement, guess what chaps we are free we have single market access but we still have free market movement, wow great deal.
He wanted to lead, but he never expected those footsteps to be his backtracking.
Audioboxer
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Everyone already knew that. He was being an opportunistic cunt hedging that remain would win.
Playing with a population of a country like that is seriously dark.
Like life threatening to the people you're suppose to protect and fight for.
Well, that's been plain as day since he first joined the leave campaign. He's a complete and utter wanker.
A Boris Johnson story I heard from an awesome comedian:
This comedian was at the Paralympics, hyping up a cloud for the torch relay. Practising countdowns for when the torch drew close. Now, a bit behind schedule, the torch bearer, an individual with Cerebral Palsy was approaching and was 100m away. Boris Johnson, realising he wasn't the centre of attention, grabbed the microphone from said comedian and shouted "10!".
EdwardTeach
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It's that attitude that gave the Conservatives a majority in the last election. In a national election (without PR) you are wasting your vote and handing seats to the tories.
He can't walk around the streets of London without protection anymore.
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