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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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frontieruk
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Michael Heseltine dropping truth bombs.
jufonuk
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Deaf Spacker
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What the fuck is going on? The rest of the world is probably laughing at this shit show.
Jezbollah
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I do wonder if Cameron kicking the negotiations down the road a little on Friday had something to do with that.
I think GO's job in that conference was to calm down and reassure markets before they open in half an hour.
affleck1981
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I think the word Omnishambles doesn't quite cover this mess.
Indeed. We're finding more and more that thr Remain campaign was filled with fearmongering lies.
Daffy Duck
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I think they are indeed, we're a laughing stock.
Absolute certainty they are attempting to work out an out.
After hearing the response from Europe, its 'invoke it now or don't' time.
If a Second Ref isn't called beforehand, a GE will be called for early Sept, parties will campaign on whether they invoke Article 50 or not and the result will be at least enough protest that it gives the forming Government enough rope to say 'stop the goddamn fight'
EU will hate us but they hate us anyway
frontieruk
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No he said it would be the new prime ministers problem... along with a new Chancellor probably
YianGaruga
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I can't believe "It was just a prank bro" is actually a potential outcome of this whole thing.
UK is gonna be the laughing stock of the world for a while either way. Congrats.
UK is gonna be the laughing stock of the world for a while either way. Congrats.
jufonuk
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What if this is being worked out so we don't get totally fucked eu not bad guys so no domino effect.
jufonuk
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Made me laugh more than I should
Napoleonthechimp
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Being a laughing stock doesn't matter to me just as long as generations of people have a future.
anonymous_abc
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I'm sure this entire affair will lead to the UK having more weight and standing with the rest of the Union. They will finally have to take the UK seriously.
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BossDarkseid
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Lol in some ways we already are. The extreme nationalism and longing for the Empire does that I guess. The arguments that we solo'd Germany twice are insulting to everyone else.
Boris' face when he saw Leave actually got the slimmest of majorities should be prime Curb your Enthusiasm music material.
BOOM - thereitis.gif
Don't just throw them under the bus - put them on the bus and drive it like it's the Finale of The Young Ones
He said he fixed the roof....
Can not have it both ways, either he lied or did not...if he fixed the roof as he is now saying..then he is a stone faced liar...as he did not say that in the campaign.
SporeCrawler
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Is this some sort of joke or..?
If course people can talk.. However EU officials wont
frontieruk
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That's the point of deferring the budget, trying to stabilise the markets in the short term, it also hints that Osborne is stepping down as he wants none of it.
Darkstorne
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Hence saying there will need to be an adjustment later on. Right now he's trying to calm the stock market that a tiny majority of the UK have just thrown under the bus. That's his job after all.
Silver lining from all of this, courtesy of Boris:
We all knew he was pro-EU (well, maybe Leave voters didn't). Looks like we'll be working to keep absolutely everything in place, as it was, with slightly more power for the UK government. Will likely cost us more than £350 million now, and of course Leave voters will be pissed that immigration is going nowhere, but hopefully most of them will remain blissfully unaware they were lied to and still be happy that they "won" the referendum.
I just love how he insists these people should lead the negotiations but is already saying they will be rubbish anyway. It's just really fitting in this mess.
I'd be laughing if it wasn't giving ideas to the uneducated people here in Finland with anti-EU sentiments
PJV3
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The roof being the fallout from 2008
Sickening. So sorry to hear. All I have at risk is my job;I can probably get another one. The hate this referendum has now legitimised is scary.
What we should do is bash out an FTA as the EU has with South Africa, for instance, whereby (as I understand it) we get negotiated access to the European market but are not bound by free movement or European law not related to trade. The big downsides, of course, are that we'd have to abide by EU product/trade standards and regulations with no say in them, and we definitely wouldn't be part of the EU's agreements with other non-EU states, which he'd have to negotiate individually on our own. In both cases, we're likely to get a heavily watered down version of the conditions we have now (particularly with Europe in vindictive mood) but those kinds of FTAs are far less restrictive than joining the EEA - although, of course, the more of the market we access, the more regulations we're subject to - but far more complicated in terms of still having to negotiate all the non-EU trade deals that we could take for granted before. Nevertheless, it seems the best halfway house for everyone to me, respecting both our need to be in the European market (and Europe's need for us to be there) and reflecting the referendum's refusal of free movement and EU law.
Unfortunately, I get the feeling Article 50 is going to invoked sooner rather than later, when we should really do it at the absolute last possible minute, once a clear framework for post-exit Britain has been established and we have the expertise and manpower to make it happen. Getting it right should be considered a long term project, even if the uncertainty will be damaging for us and the EU too, but we'd only feel that pain multiplied by ten in the long run by doing things in a hurry now. The moment the two year countdown is initiated, Brussels holds all the cards, so we should only go in knowing exactly where we can stand and on as firm a ground as possible. Until then, the euro makes the EU powerful but immobile, unable to do anything about the situation until we decide to take the plunge, whereas we are considerably less powerful but also more nimble, still in the EU until we decide to leave and able to scope out conditions to ensure businesses will want to stick around once we're out, and to start laying the foundations for trade arrangements with other nations. Once Article 50 hits, we're largely impotent, but are in a solid enough position until then.
The best thing for everyone would be for the EU and the UK to peacefully arrange a deal whereby the UK accepts a slightly, but not debilitatingly, lesser version of what we have now, allowing both sides an effective win (we don't get significantly worse terms, the EU gets to show there's no advantage to leaving) but I get the feeling Brussels are going to try and hardball us, in which case we have to hardball them right back as much as we can. Playing defensively would be catastrophic and they need us enough (even if we need them more) that we can aim for far better terms than those which Norway/Switzerland etc were able to achieve.
Unfortunately, I get the feeling Article 50 is going to invoked sooner rather than later, when we should really do it at the absolute last possible minute, once a clear framework for post-exit Britain has been established and we have the expertise and manpower to make it happen. Getting it right should be considered a long term project, even if the uncertainty will be damaging for us and the EU too, but we'd only feel that pain multiplied by ten in the long run by doing things in a hurry now. The moment the two year countdown is initiated, Brussels holds all the cards, so we should only go in knowing exactly where we can stand and on as firm a ground as possible. Until then, the euro makes the EU powerful but immobile, unable to do anything about the situation until we decide to take the plunge, whereas we are considerably less powerful but also more nimble, still in the EU until we decide to leave and able to scope out conditions to ensure businesses will want to stick around once we're out, and to start laying the foundations for trade arrangements with other nations. Once Article 50 hits, we're largely impotent, but are in a solid enough position until then.
The best thing for everyone would be for the EU and the UK to peacefully arrange a deal whereby the UK accepts a slightly, but not debilitatingly, lesser version of what we have now, allowing both sides an effective win (we don't get significantly worse terms, the EU gets to show there's no advantage to leaving) but I get the feeling Brussels are going to try and hardball us, in which case we have to hardball them right back as much as we can. Playing defensively would be catastrophic and they need us enough (even if we need them more) that we can aim for far better terms than those which Norway/Switzerland etc were able to achieve.
What a fucking hack this guy is.
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And he arrived at that conclusion based on the article in the link, headlined by:
So let me get this straight. Trudeau says he'd like to continue working with U.K., a rather meaningless "oh crap, better say something about this" statement and the author lumps him in somehow with a message supporting Brexit. The same Justin Trudeau that UKIP members criticized for his explicit, and overt support for the UK to remain in the EU.
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I can't help but feel the only reason it's under the radar is because this shit heel and his two [assumed] friends are the only guys who are talking about it at all.
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As a Canadian, fuck off. I'm sure the author sympathizes with my need to have my international affairs up to my country and my country alone.
Absolutely - like a parent to a child :'you wanted to move out, you have no money - go ahead and try to negotiate a mortgage and come back to us when all the banks have said no so we can block your exit on those grounds'
Boris?
Oh shit :lol
I was the same way, ended up having to get a cab in when I finally did emerge.
Why in the hell would the EU let the UK extend this more than it needs to be? Why would they let the UK receive part of the benefits of EU membership for essentially throwing a temper tantrum and swearing to leave the house, being sick of its parent's rules? Why would they be okay with letting Britain have it easy when their primary role in the EU has been obstruction for the last decade? Unlike one's parents, the EU has no obligation or love for the UK that our parents would for us.
On the contrary he knows exactly it's the entirely wrong thing to do
Appaling. These idiots crawling out of the woodwork because they think Brexit means half the country shares their backwards mindset.
I hope they're just an extreme, vocal minority who will get shut down before this sort of behaviour escalates into something more.
frontieruk
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Lol he's trying to calm the markets, fixing the roof was reference of getting austerity measures under control, else this shitshow would be worse, but as it is I can leave it to be someone else's problem in a few months.
Q: An emergency budget?
Ive got an important job to do. I respect the decision of the referendum. The result will have an impact on public finances, but we will have to wait until we have a new prime minister.
You don't wipe over a trillion out of the economy, have unrest in the markets without effecting the pound in the public's pocket, he's just issued a stay of execution.
Darkstorne
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shinra-bansho
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A rapid back down perhaps. But that doesn't seem forthcoming. There seems to be a sentiment that the UK can just drag this on indefinitely though without any adverse reaction. And that seems wishful thinking.
ferrasvansen
Member
Heseltine knows exactly what he is saying, let's these idiots deal with the fallout, watch them backtrack and squirm when they realise how much damage it will cause and give them full blame.
PJV3
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Darkstorne
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We need to damage control though, not kick the country while it's down =(
ferrasvansen
Member
He had a glint in his eye, I think he is waiting somewhere down the line for his replacement to get torn apart over what is coming. How long before we start to hear "I told you so" from him or Cameron.
FrozenCell
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while tragic, it is extremely comical and entertaining, even in eurozone
Farage, Gove and Johnson get tasked with putting a formal plan together
They fail
Government demands shit plan is put to 2nd Referendum
Anything less than full involvement of the leave organisers will give them an excuse to blame someone else for the failure to negotiate the unrealistic deal they peddled to voters.
I want Farage to emerge from weeks of late-night negotiations to "we got nothing..."
PJV3
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People will take the nothing, be aware of that. They have their union flag glasses on.
ferrasvansen
Member
The only way to damage control is to back down, Farage and Co won't allow that, so let them deal with it, perfectly fair to me.
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