On the bright side, if we lose we could just demand a rematch.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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On the bright side, if we lose we could just demand a rematch.
BossDarkseid
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Saw this on my Facebook, looks about right
The feeling of national embrassment hasn't washed off yet and I don't know if it ever will.
Can you expand on that, unique in what way?, what did the EU rely on from the UK that isn't sought from other member states?
No the only possible govt is hardcore neoliberals even compared to Cameron that have an interest in prolonging austerity.
IdreamofHIME
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I keep wondering how I'd vote if I was an mp. Is the people's vote paramount even if I believe it to be disastrous for the people that have voted? I'd probably dismiss the referendum on the basis of misinformation. I mean leave campaigners back paddling on the £350 alone is probably reason enough.
Probably as everyone is more engaged, young especially with it now and maybe some will swing the other way but honestly fuck having another referendum, too risky. Nip this mess in the bud and go back to normal.
I think things are going to go tits up now, just enough for the public to see it and the government will do the right thing and not follow through with article 50. We can all relax and watch the parties destroy themselves and change then hopefully some good comes out of that and we get back to helping the UK prosper and particularly focus on the areas who feel ignored. We might get something good out of this mess by nearly falling off a cliff, guess that's what it takes sometimes.
So here's another ironical situation (seems to be having a lot these days but the English love their irony anyway).
The Leavers are insisting we go forward and going against would be against democracy, but the current system of representative democracy means no one other than the MPs have the power to pass something...and as such they have to vote on this advisory referendum. If the vote turns out to be in favour of remain then what do the Leavers say? That it isn't democratic when that is exactly how representative democracy, i.e. the system the have accepted, works.
Ofcourse any MP voting against their constituency would be commuting political suicide, unless if it's a swing vote where the results were really close.
The Leavers are insisting we go forward and going against would be against democracy, but the current system of representative democracy means no one other than the MPs have the power to pass something...and as such they have to vote on this advisory referendum. If the vote turns out to be in favour of remain then what do the Leavers say? That it isn't democratic when that is exactly how representative democracy, i.e. the system the have accepted, works.
Ofcourse any MP voting against their constituency would be commuting political suicide, unless if it's a swing vote where the results were really close.
Pound dropping like a brick now.
New low at 1.316
Looks like the 2nd referendum dream is dead guys
http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/referendum-cabinet-agrees/33044
New low at 1.316
Looks like the 2nd referendum dream is dead guys
http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/referendum-cabinet-agrees/33044
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I'd not vote for an Article 50. If you disagree with me, vote me out, but this wouldn't be on my head.
BossDarkseid
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Well to be fair some leavers, prophetically/ironically celebrated with Union Jack Flags, the very Union the vote may well shatter.
Not sure complete forward thinking was in some of their minds. My constituency of Epsom & Ewell voted to stay so I can take some solace in that. However our MP is Chris Grayling so lol fuck.
So all hope rests on MPs to go against their own self-interests for the perceived benefit of the population....
That's not happening.
I'm hoping between this, Scotland's veto/indyref2 talks, and the sheer disappearing act of Leave, that it allows Boris to sell his folk on how unworkable Brexit really is.
Might need one final straw first though - like a major source of jobs saying fuck it, we're moving.
MPs should act in the best interests of their constituents at all times. Even if that means making unpopular decisions. I value democracy as much as anyone, but on a referendum swung on lies and hate, can you really say that the decision is the right one that reflects the will of the people? How far does the country have to fall before "well, we still have our democracy" isn't a good enough excuse?
I'd compare it to freedom of speech. A fundamental human right, to be sure. But it has its limitations (e.g. incitement of racial hatred). Freedom of speech is a GOOD thing, but can be abused. Same goes with democracy.
Daffy Duck
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I think if that happens politics will be even more fucked going forward because what faith will the public have in them? It will erode any faith in many millions people.
It's a true stuck between a rock and a hard place scenario.
jakonovski
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So are you "never activate article 50" people just going to have the UK float rudderless for years on end?
Napoleonthechimp
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Then there will be no forgiveness for the Brexiter cunts.
I would not vote for an article 50, after the 6 months of shit we're going to go through before it even gets brought up even the idiotic leave voters will realise there's nothing to gain from leaving.
People are saying political sucide for going against the referendum, but they forget it's near 50-50 and I know I'd be more likely to support an MP that voted remain.
Yup, that's me pretty much closing all ties with anyone who voted leave. I'm not going to ever be able to let this go unless the government pulls through.
Souldestroyer Reborn
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Yeah because The Guardian isn't a lefty biased news outlet.
What about the lies that the remain side contributed through "Project Fear"?
Oh yeah, that doesn't count.
Good. About time it was put to bed.
Now to deal with the SNP, although this veto that everyone is going on about doesn't exist.
These threads on GAF have been priceless, the 7 emotional stages of denial on show is really incredible to watch.
GamerMax73
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It's strange predicting how people will vote. I voted remain. A snap second referendum with no knew information held so soon? I'd vote leave. A second referendum right now is pointless, we need to accept the result and move on.
Yes. I like this a lot. Now just feed me some more pills.
Seriously, this COULD be happening with what Osbo was wriggling about today.
Farage and BLOJO and Gove and IBS on a short leash.
Cameron basically going native on Friday AM.
It COULD happen, bit are our leaders competent enough?
Maybe Merkel and Blair are?
I just don't know anymore.
It's near 50-50 on a UK-level, not on a constituency-level. Good luck to any MP who votes against the referendum when 70% of their constituents were Leave voters.
They should be filming a Thick of It special right now.
I feel like I'm watching that show, just with less swearing.
That could happen though, there's no precedent and vague wording for article 50, so it would be up to a hostile EU court to interpret it.
Of course thats what the "experts" say, so I assume you'll ignore it.
captain wow
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GamerMax73
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I still don't think it'll be Boris picking up the pile of shit... (game, set, and match Cameron)
Bony Manifesto
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It's tricky. If you're the MP of a constituency with a UKIP presence, you're effectively handing over your seat to them in the next general election.
Norwegian_Imposter
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I wasn't surprised just curious to see how they will react now
It's highly unlikely there would be a second referendum. However, when Cameron quits that isn't his decision to make - and so he has no authority to say that.
That's actually disgusting, is there no law against this at all?
Link the to the full background image : https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.n...iginal/1466171921/bg_thank_you.jpg?1466171921
the doors just open so it looks a bit odd
Darkstorne
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Both sides made stupid lies that were dropped instantly and never repeated. Remain made vague claims about WW3 (where most of "project fear" was aimed) and instantly dropped them. Leave made vague claims about the EU essentially being modern Nazis, then instantly dropped the idea.
The key here is that while all the warnings about economic collapse the Remain side made are proving to be true, the Leave campaign's key messages are being proved to be lies. Including their main campaign message that they emblazoned on the side of a bus. I hope you can see what a colossal difference that is.
RedSparrows
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Bloody lefties, having opinions.
False equivalency meme must die. Let's compare the tabloids of 20+ years to Remain's campaign, shall we? Let's look at the idiocy underpinning the idea of 'Project Fear', and look at the actual economic predictions et al. Fucking tower of lies built on an entire desert of bile.
anonymous_abc
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Such a joke....
Did anyone on the leave side apart from Farange actually want to leave?
Daffy Duck
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UK Votes To Leave The EU |OT2| No replies needed
Terbinator
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D:reams can only get better.
UK Votes To Leave the EU |OT2| All my shit is Brexiting into my pants
When crimes are committed, the guilty erase the evidence!
Err... hostile?
I dont know if anyone's mentioned but UK is pretty much dead no matter what deal it thinks it can strike.
The Two years after handing in article 50 isnt the deadline to strike a new deal its the deadline to figure out how to separate. It's going to take at least two years to figure out where all the ends are and where and what to cut. What happens to all the people and the business and everything that already exist. We're so connected into Europe it's going to be so difficult figuring all this out no one is going to have any time to figure out a new deal.
But even if they did have time thats not how it works. Europe has stated thats not how it works. You leave then you work out the new deal which will take at least ten years to sort out.
So two years on life support, then everything starts to decay, science, financial district, immigration, exports, they all decline, massive depression, massive loss in gdp and tax receipts. The UK has been the architect of its own demise everyone suffers and the UK becomes insignificant in the rest of the world, well done.
The Two years after handing in article 50 isnt the deadline to strike a new deal its the deadline to figure out how to separate. It's going to take at least two years to figure out where all the ends are and where and what to cut. What happens to all the people and the business and everything that already exist. We're so connected into Europe it's going to be so difficult figuring all this out no one is going to have any time to figure out a new deal.
But even if they did have time thats not how it works. Europe has stated thats not how it works. You leave then you work out the new deal which will take at least ten years to sort out.
So two years on life support, then everything starts to decay, science, financial district, immigration, exports, they all decline, massive depression, massive loss in gdp and tax receipts. The UK has been the architect of its own demise everyone suffers and the UK becomes insignificant in the rest of the world, well done.
maquiladora
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RBS down 25%
How this can stand is insane.
*vote leave: LETS GIVE THE NHS £350MILLION A WEEK
*leave wins*
Vote leave campaign - "Yeah fuck that noise"
BossDarkseid
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Tbh I got nothing
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